England -v- Slovenia, Wed 3pm RTE & BBC HD

fulhamfanincork

Oh dear, oh dear.

Keano

_Bella_ wrote: »

Still no Joe Cole... what has he done to Capello?

Ask John Terry. After saying he should be in the team there was no way Capello was picking him. It would have sent out all the wrong signals...

ctrl-alt-delete

If Capello is going to play 442 again with this team, i can see it failing.

I wouldn't mind him playing 442 if he had 2 decent wingers playing.

Starting Gerrard on the left does you out of 1, and it robs you of his best game.

They are playing too much through the middle for me, it is all a bit too compact.

My Team would be

- - - - - -James- - - - -

Johnson Dawson Terry Cole

Lennon Barry Lampard Cole

- - - - - Gerrard- - - - - -

- - - - - -Rooney- - - - -


James because he started the last match, and another change now, whether it be Hart ot back to Green would be a disaster for the Keeper set up.

Keeping Cole on Johnson where they were.

Dawson ahead of Upson for me, and Terry because i can't afford to drop him.

Lennon and Cole because they are the best there at the tactics i would like, get it out wide, draw the Slovenia full backs out, Give Rooney a little bit more room to operate.

Have Gerrard where he is best, Lampard coming forward for the dropdowns etc - where he is best. Barry there to do a lot of things, protecting the back 4 at times, linking up the play, and supporting the attack at times - all of which he is infinitley better than Carrick at.


I don't think we'll see anything of the sort though, close enough to the last set up, with England winning by 1 goal is all i can see.

FutureGuy

ctrl-alt-delete wrote: »

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My Team would be

- - - - - -James- - - - -

Johnson Dawson Terry Cole

Lennon Barry Lampard Cole

- - - - - Gerrard- - - - - -

- - - - - -Rooney- - - - -

Thats my exact team also.

leninbenjamin

England should play a 4-3-3 imo. The likes of Lennon and Gerrard are useless unless they get the ball in the final third, and the current 4-4-2 has them coming far to deep to collect the ball. Drop Heskey, put Carrick in the midfield so that you can push the wide players much further up the field and England should have a bit more bite to their attack.

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James

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Johnson - Upson - Terry - Cole

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Carrick ---- Barry

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Lampard

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Lennon

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Gerrard

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Rooney

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Diabhal Beag

If Cole doesn't play the **** will really hit the fan. Hopefully it is a fun match.

Guy:Incognito

Xavi6 wrote: »

Early morning rumours reckon -

James

Johnson
Cole
Terry
Upson

Milner
Lampard
Barry
Gerrard

Rooney
Defoe

The early morning rumour machine needs to go back and keep hi sear to Capello's door till he mentions Joe Cole is starting.

redout

England and USA wins please.

In fact I support whatever results give USA 2nd place in the group.

That_Guy

Xavi6 wrote: »

Early morning rumours reckon -

James

Johnson
Cole
Terry
Upson

Milner
Lampard
Barry
Gerrard

Rooney
Defoe

That side is really lacking pace if this is to be the starting line up.

rebel girl 15

ctrl-alt-delete wrote: »

If Capello is going to play 442 again with this team, i can see it failing.

I wouldn't mind him playing 442 if he had 2 decent wingers playing.

Starting Gerrard on the left does you out of 1, and it robs you of his best game.

They are playing too much through the middle for me, it is all a bit too compact.
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Looking at the stats against Algeria, England had 8% of possession on the left of the midfield and 25% in the centre of midfield. (Algeria's most possession came on the centre right section of the pitch, Englands left) 2 decent wingers, staying close to the touchline would give the two strikers a small bit of space, which could make all the difference

Capello played 4-2-3-1 against Slovenia last September (won 2-1 and Slovenia have only lost one international game since), he seems to be intent on playing 4-4-2, even though the system isn't working for them, especially with Gerrard playing on the left, he is more dangerous through the centre. Slovenia will keep it as tight as possible imo, if England score, I think Slovenia will be forced to come forward, and may give England space to get another. I think Capello hinted at changing tactics, and I hope he does for Englands sake

PHB

4-4-2 can't work if you CBs cant pass the ball. Terry is ****ing awful on the ball, and Upson isnt much better. Expect them to be hoofing it forward again and again. This is especially true when one of your central midfielders isn't a central midfielder naturally, he is the furthest forward midfielder in a system of 3 in the middle. They might nick through tonight, but unless they change this system, I don't think theres much hope for them.

I'd go with

Barry-Carrick-Lampard

Despite Carrick being ****ing awful this season. Why? Because it has balance. Put Gerrard on the wings if you absolutely must, but I'd prefer Lennon and Joe Cole. I'd have prefered Adam Johnson but sure it is what it is. Play Rooney up front alone as he does for United.

bijapos

Anyone remember this? :pac::pac::pac:

rebel girl 15

Taken from, the BBC website

Slovenia manager Matjaz Kek wrote:

"The quality of England is clear. England, for me, are still a favourite to win the World Cup. But, if we play our game, I am sure we can get to the second round. It's a fight to get to the knockout phase and it is an additional motivation to play against a team that has been so big. We feel confident, we are courageous and we will be able to face up to England."

pickarooney

"England has-beens!" slams Cocky Kek

rebel girl 15

pickarooney wrote: »

"England has-beens!" slams Kek

will be the headline tomorrow morning if England don't get through

The_Kew_Tour

I hope Rooney bags hatrick but they loose 4-3.

I really have nothing against the English and would be shouting for them had they not that John Terry in the side.

I hope he at fault if England get knocked out. Cant stand anybody who can question a manager with record Capello has. Who does Terry think he is. Once prick always a prick I suppose.

Guy:Incognito

I'm hoping for a solid 2 or 3 goal win to set them on the way for the rest of the tournament.

The reality is a bit more worrying. Even if they do sneak a narrow win though, it'll just help them stumble to a defeat in a roudn or two. They need to open up and give some team a proper (footballing) kicking. Today if possible.

redout

SSN: James, Johnson, Terry, Upson, Cole, Gerrard, Barry, Lampard, Milner, Rooney, Defoe

Guy:Incognito

redout wrote: »

SSN: James, Johnson, Terry, Upson, Cole, Gerrard, Barry, Lampard, Milner, Rooney, Defoe

Only one Cole :mad:

Ian_K

redout wrote: »

SSN: James, Johnson, Terry, Upson, Cole, Gerrard, Barry, Lampard, Milner, Rooney, Defoe

4 centre mids?

redout

Ian_K wrote: »

4 centre mids?

Sky said Milner on the right.

Presume Gerrard reamins on the left.

Mitch Connor

Ian_K wrote: »

4 centre mids?

See, Capello is a great manager who is not stubborn and can learn from the past and his own mistakes.

Mister men

England to loose 3-1 and Capello to resign by 9pm tonight please.

rebel girl 15

Is that 4-4-2 or will Capello play 4-3-1-2, with Gerrard in behind the two strikers and Milner on the right of the midfield, the second formation would go some way to explaining 4 central midfielders.

LordSutch

England to win 3-1, Rooney & Lampard to score, (possibly a Joe Cole goal too)

peabutler

rebel girl 15 wrote: »

Is that 4-4-2 or will Capello play 4-3-1-2, with Gerrard in behind the two strikers and Milner on the right, the second formation would go some way to explaining 4 central midfielders

4-4-2 I'd reckon, Milner must have done some mighty training after his 29 minute cameo vs USA

SlickRic

Capello? anything but 4-4-2?

you're having a laugh.

Xavi6

Win for England, win for Australia, happy Betfair balance

rebel girl 15

SlickRic wrote: »

Capello? anything but 4-4-2?

you're having a laugh.

It was more wishful thinking on my part! Though I hope for Englands sake that if the system isn't working, he will change it - he hinted about changing tactics, so maybe.....

Xavi6

SlickRic wrote: »

Capello? anything but 4-4-2?

you're having a laugh.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z8TNtU0_0_c

Keano

Xavi - embedding of the vid is disabled. Well that's the error I am am getting.

rebel girl 15

Right click on the video and choose watch on youtube

falan

I'm gonna go with a 2-0 win for England. The goals won't come until at least the 70th min though and i feel they will come in quick succession...England absolutely have to win this match. I cannot see them performing as badly as against Algeria.

snaps

No left sider then? Does crapello realise a football pitch has a left side?

_Bella_

Again Ashley Cole will be left vunerable with two people on one on the left side, Slovenia could really exploit them there

Idbatterim

no doubt the people here predicting an England win are the same that predicted they would beat the US and Algeria, and are probably crazy enough to believe England can win the World Cup!

SlickRic

Idbatterim wrote: »

no doubt the people here predicting an England win are the same that predicted they would beat the US and Algeria, and are probably crazy enough to believe England can win the World Cup!

nope.

i just think they've enough about them to get out one performance good enough, to beat Slovenia (not Brazil, Germany, Spain, even Chile or Mexico), to get to the knockout stages.

Mister men

Idbatterim wrote: »

no doubt the people here predicting an England win are the same that predicted they would beat the US and Algeria, and are probably crazy enough to believe England can win the World Cup!

Unreal is'nt it. I've seen nothing from England that would make me think they can win today in this tournament or even in the last few years. It seems to be a good England performance is the exception to the rule. Expect the media and fans to turn on Capello big style after tonight. They alway's need a scapegoat otherwise the truth comes out that they are'nt good enough to compete at this level anymore.

IvySlayer

I'm gonna shut up tbh. I said they would beat USA, when they drew I said they would have no trouble beating Algeria and they draw again.

Mr. Presentable

I think they'll win, but Rooney will be sent off and that'll be enough to eliminate them in the next round.

Boskowski

SlickRic wrote: »

nope.

i just think they've enough about them to get out one performance good enough, to beat Slovenia (not Brazil, Germany, Spain, even Chile or Mexico), to get to the knockout stages.

I gonna try and leave my anti-England bias out and look at it purely from a footballing perspective for a change.

They are 'good enough' certainly if you define 'good enough' as 'should be good enough based on their individual strength when same players play in their big league teams'. Then they have plenty. Nobody can deny that.

But as they nearly always are they are again stuck in their anti-teamspirit arrogance pressure paralysis or whatever you wanna call it that is so unique to the English team and its environment.

Everybody who watches the same players week in week out play pretty good stuff finds it difficult not to expect them to turn the corner eventually.

However, looking at the situation they created for themselves I find it impossible to expect a miracle transformation, an explosion. The best I could expect for England is an improved but still cramped performance that allows them to advance and the self-betrayal continue until they meet a 'real' team against whom they will actually play their best match in the tournament but go out nonetheless. Seen it so many times, the writing's on the wall it seems.

Bob the Seducer

nipplenuts wrote: »

I think they'll win, but Rooney will be sent off and that'll be enough to eliminate them in the next round.

He was displaying all the signs of a very frustrated young man after the last game, I just hope he manages to keep his temper in check and puts on a decent performance today.

falan

Idbatterim wrote: »

no doubt the people here predicting an England win are the same that predicted they would beat the US and Algeria, and are probably crazy enough to believe England can win the World Cup!

I predicted a draw against the U.S. I was correct. I did predict a win against Algeria and i think most people would have said that here before the world cup. We beat them 3-0 a few weeks back and we are not exactly blessed with great goal-scorers..

GavRedKing

Still no J.Cole??

Woul dbe interesting to see what Capello does should England be stirring elimantion in the face with 20 minutes to go, maybe drawing to Slovenia and the USA winning.

The amount of teams that "should" have beaten so called lesser teams at this WC and going on to draw or lose is shocking, dont think we have seen the last of the upsets just yet though.

murpho999

Well I really think England can struggle today. Really depends on their attitude.
The team changes are superficial to me. Change of central defender might improve defence but won't get them goals which England have been lacking.
Surprised at Milner being selected and after all the talk of Joe Cole he has been left out. Don't believe that Joe Cole was the answer anyway, he can't get into the Chelsea team and has been let go by them so that is good enough for me.

Main thing is that he has not really changed the tactics and is sticking with 4-4-2 that has caused them problems in the last 2 games.

I think there are too many problems in the squad to turn in a great performance and would not be surprised to see them follow France to the airport today!

_Bella_

teams:

Slovenia: 1-Samir Handanovic; 2-Miso Brecko, 4-Marko Suler, 5-Bostjan Cesar, 13-Bojan Jokic; 10-Valter Birsa, 8-Robert Koren, 18-Aleksandar Radosavljevic, 17-Andraz Kirm; 9-Zlatan Ljubijankic, 11-Milivoje Novakovic.

England: 1-David James; 2-Glen Johnson, 15-Matthew Upson, 6-John Terry, 3-Ashley Cole; 16-James Milner, 4-Steven Gerrard, 8-Frank Lampard, 14-Gareth Barry; 19-Jermain Defoe, 10-Wayne Rooney.

redout

How the bookies have England 4/9 is beyond me considering how they have performed.

falan

rebel girl 15 wrote: »

Is that 4-4-2 or will Capello play 4-3-1-2, with Gerrard in behind the two strikers and Milner on the right of the midfield, the second formation would go some way to explaining 4 central midfielders.

Thats basically what they just said on BBC1 4-3-1-2, Gerrard behind the two strikers.

PHB

It's possible it won't be a 4-4-2. It could be a 4-3-3, with Barry holding, Milner in the middle and Lampard at the front, with Gerrard on the left and Rooney on the right and Defoe up front. Would work better as a system imo. Doubtful though

A 4-3-1-2 could work maybe, with Johnson and Cole really pushing forward to provide width. It wouldnt work against a top class team, but it might beat Slovenia.

ntlbell

gavredking wrote: »

Still no J.Cole??

Woul dbe interesting to see what Capello does should England be stirring elimantion in the face with 20 minutes to go, maybe drawing to Slovenia and the USA winning.

The amount of teams that "should" have beaten so called lesser teams at this WC and going on to draw or lose is shocking, dont think we have seen the last of the upsets just yet though.

It'll be crouch on and lumpy for 20 minutes i'd say