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Berlin 2016: Back to Basics
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Sunday: 10 miles @ 6.50 pace. Nice little run, delighted to get this and dusted before we went swimming with the kids. Half on road half on grass. Bastard of a wind out there again but thankfully had it at my back for the last 2-3 miles.
Solid enough week all things considered ~65 miles and that is on the back on 3 * 70 mile weeks. Will be closer to 80 next week as I'm running 26.2 miles in Waterord next Saturday @ 7.04 pace or quicker
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I'm running 26.2 miles in Waterord next Saturday @ 7.04 pace or quicker
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RacoonQueen wrote: »Have I missed something good in the novices thread?
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There's an element of truth to what you both have to say, but is there anything necessarily wrong about doing it for self-serving reasons? Running is after all a pretty self-serving sport. Let's say for example that I'm planning on running a marathon as a build-up race for Dublin. I can go and spend €40-€50 and intentionally run a sub-optimal time, do my best to show some restraint and get a good training session. Or else, I can get paid €40-€50, guarantee that I will stick to my chosen pace, and get a few cheeky high-fives at the finish? Win-win.Thats it take the gloves off man. You're right of course. On the few occasions that I've considered pacing races I've had to ask myself what the real reasons I would do such a thing were and the answers werent so honourable. Its all about ego and getting that beast fed bythe admiration of slower runners who'll think youre great at the finish line. Best to focus on your own training and racing and leave people to pace themselves. Also good to train with people who are faster than you are which will keep the ego firmly in check.
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Krusty_Clown wrote: »There's an element of truth to what you both have to say, but is there anything necessarily wrong about doing it for self-serving reasons? Running is after all a pretty self-serving sport. Let's say for example that I'm planning on running a marathon as a build-up race for Dublin. I can go and spend €40-€50 and intentionally run a sub-optimal time, do my best to show some restraint and get a good training session. Or else, I can get paid €40-€50, guarantee that I will stick to my chosen pace, and get a few cheeky high-fives at the finish? Win-win.
+1, pacing the halfs recently for me has been mostly an act of self discipline. If I hadn't been pacing I probably wouldn't have done a long run; and if I did certainly wouldn't have enjoyed it.
Pacing is definitely 90% selfish in that you wouldn't do it if you didn't enjoy it, and you most definiely wouldn't do it if it didn't fit your schedule. I'll be pacing Dublin this year, simply becuase it comes between training blocks and it is still great to 'do' Dublin and be involved in the race and the pre/post race celebrations
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Krusty_Clown wrote: »There's an element of truth to what you both have to say, but is there anything necessarily wrong about doing it for self-serving reasons? Running is after all a pretty self-serving sport. Let's say for example that I'm planning on running a marathon as a build-up race for Dublin. I can go and spend €40-€50 and intentionally run a sub-optimal time, do my best to show some restraint and get a good training session. Or else, I can get paid €40-€50, guarantee that I will stick to my chosen pace, and get a few cheeky high-fives at the finish? Win-win.
Ok taking that example of running a marathon as a prep for Dublin. If you're pacing, the best you're gonna be pacing at would be 3:00, which is about 6:50/mile. You're constrained by the job you've signed up to do in that you're not gonna be able to run a good portion of it at Marathon pace, say 15 - 20miles. So then what would be the point of running 6:50s when your MP would be 5:50 or thereabouts? You could run a training session with some other lads and do that job for nothing, without having to spend 40-50 quid signing up for a race. I just dont see that there'd be any reasons other than ego that would be at play here and when thats the case I think its not such a good thing. Plus aswell I think people need to be independent in races so that they're not reliant on somebody else to set a pace for them. Its a skill you need to develop for yourself.0 -
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Ok taking that example of running a marathon as a prep for Dublin. If you're pacing, the best you're gonna be pacing at would be 3:00, which is about 6:50/mile. You're constrained by the job you've signed up to do in that you're not gonna be able to run a good portion of it at Marathon pace, say 15 - 20miles. So then what would be the point of running 6:50s when your MP would be 5:50 or thereabouts? You could run a training session with some other lads and do that job for nothing, without having to spend 40-50 quid signing up for a race. I just dont see that there'd be any reasons other than ego that would be at play here and when thats the case I think its not such a good thing. Plus aswell I think people need to be independent in races so that they're not reliant on somebody else to set a pace for them. Its a skill you need to develop for yourself.
Agreed, but pacers meet a need created by their introduction to races, some people now feel they need to be paced and maybe part of it is that they can shift the responsibility onto someone else. For me pacing, (and it's been a while since I've done it) was about arriving as a runner given where I started from (and where I seem to have found myself again
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Sometimes people just like going for a long run and having a chat along the way and pacing happens to tick both those boxes. Let's not overthink things!
Let's just leave it at that. Myself and tunguska have similar opinions on pacing. Some of you other guys have different but valid opinions also. Different horses for different courses. Now lets get back to the training required to pace a 12 stone runner to 2.29.XX 0 -
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Tuesday: Tight for time today. Meetings all day and mrs heading out this evening so had to really squeeze these runs in. Turned up for 9.30am meeting with sweat still pumping out of me Hay fever is bad today as well so had 2 very blood shot eyes. Looked like a total junkie or the tour de France yellow jersey wearer, quelle difference?
am: 5 miles @ 6.35 pace. Nice run along the canal legs feeling nice. Was raging had to keep it short. PM 6.5 miles @ 6.20 pace. Had hoped to run through Carton house but it's closed off due to Irish open meaning I had to take my life into my hands on run on some dodgy roads to make a detour. Legs felt smashing again. Would love to be able to bottle today's feeling!0 -
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