crossfit ireland vs crossfit dublin?

columok

I reckon the only thing stupider than jumping straight into crossfit.com WODs is doing crossfit.com WODS with no decent quality supervision and no background in how to do the movements safely. It would be a good idea to find somebody to teach you how to lift safely and then follow something like Crossfit Football.

Barry.Oglesby

Are Crossfit now marching people at gunpoint to sign up for them? No one has to pay €175 you know!

I personally think it's too much, but then again, all that it takes to prove me wrong is that they have a full house and from what I hear, they do pretty well.

The Davestator

It's a lot of money. The 'big gyms' get bashed a lot on here but for 50-75 per month you get 50+ classes per week - spin, pilates, kettle bells, etc as well as programmes. Yes, some programmes are not the best but every gym has decent trainers who know their stuff.

I hear good things about both cross fits and hopefully they'll do well into the future

d'Oracle

G86 wrote: »

Because there's an extra charge for one on one coaching, it's not included in the standard monthly fee.

Have you done a class?
There is always a coach supervising and cueing.
One on One is one on one. Not a group thing.
There should be an extra cost. Plus we are talking about one affiliate here.
There are now 3 in dublin, they do not necessarily have the same price structure.

G86 wrote: »

No-one is belittling anything or saying that the service isn't of value. The OP's options are simply being pointed out to them in terms of cost and affordability.

No that isn't the case.
If such things were being pointed out in a neutral fashion, then this would be true. But they weren't they were pointed out in the context of what was being offered.

G86 wrote: »

The membership IS too expensive for many people in relation to the other options available. This is a fact.

It is but that can be said for most places.
Certainly most coached private gyms.
I can think of two coached private gyms that I'd love to train in, but I can't afford. One of these has 10 to 18 months worth of programming published on its website. Can you tell which one I'm talking about?

I however wouldn't say that this Gym is too expensive (without qualifying it by saying "for me") and the information is available online (at all). Because I would see that as disparaging to the gyms (by all accounts very high quality) services. But these would be facts. Also I'd probably get absolutely pillared on here from all angles.

G86 wrote: »

Yes, the info is available online; yes you could buy 2/3 PT sessions a month to get coached in the lifts and then fire ahead on your own/with a group;

How'd that go for ya?

G86 wrote: »

yes you could join a cheaper facility offering similar services. These are also facts.

Cheaper CrossFit? I thought he said he couldn't afford any of them?

SanoVitae

d'Oracle wrote: »

Have you done a class?
There is always a coach supervising and cueing.
One on One is one on one. Not a group thing.
There should be an extra cost.

I don't think G86 believes there is anything wrong at all with charging for 1-2-1 sessions. She was merely pointing that for the average price of €175, they were not included.

Doug Cartel

d'Oracle wrote: »

I can think of two coached private gyms that I'd love to train in, but I can't afford. One of these has 10 to 18 months worth of programming published on its website. Can you tell which one I'm talking about?

I believe that particular gym costs half as much as the numbers quoted here, and the monthly dues are all-in. That includes a range of classes, programming, monitoring/testing and personal training. The only thing you pay extra for are seminars by outside people.

Poncherello

Where is the 3rd Gym in Dublin.
If someone ever opens one in Dublin city they will clean up.

peteclarke

d'Oracle you are just looking for an argument by making up stuff that i never said. i never belittled anybody and never said i couldnt afford to go to crossfit.

the fact is that crossfit is a product just like for example an i pod. the product in dublin is sold like it is in every city in the world but in dublin it is sold at a higher price. would you buy an i pod from one of 2 shops in dublin that sold them if the same i pod was half the price in every other city.

on the point of 15 euro a class not being that much. my view would be if you just turn up on the night a 15 euro drop in fee would be fair but to your regular customers or " members of your community " 15 euro is an insult.

its nothing personal to either affiliate its just why should it cost so much here?


*Mod edit: infracted. Attack the post and not the poster please. Juvenile attacks really do nothing but make you look silly. *

G86

d'Oracle wrote: »

Have you done a class?
There is always a coach supervising and cueing.
One on One is one on one. Not a group thing.
There should be an extra cost. Plus we are talking about one affiliate here.
There are now 3 in dublin, they do not necessarily have the same price structure.

I haven't done a class, but I have gone through an induction and had membership options explained to me, and also seen classes taking place. With regards to pricing, I'm talking about the 2 affiliates - both of which charge extra for personal coaching. I'm not saying they shouldn't do this - I'm simply stating a fact.

d'Oracle wrote: »

It is but that can be said for most places.
Certainly most coached private gyms.
I can think of two coached private gyms that I'd love to train in, but I can't afford. One of these has 10 to 18 months worth of programming published on its website. Can you tell which one I'm talking about?

Can't say I agree. Jackie Skellys charge €60 a month for a 6 week review and then you're left to your own devices. The other 'coached private gym' you're talking about charges only €20 more for constant coaching in which you're coached through every session - one on one when needed. Crossfit charges over twice that for group sessions without unlimited gym use, and no private coaching.

Again, I'm not saying they shouldn't charge this or that I don't see the value in it - I'm simply saying that there are cheaper alternatives also available.

d'Oracle wrote: »

Cheaper CrossFit? I thought he said he couldn't afford any of them?

Hence why I suggested alternative options.

SanoVitae

d'Oracle wrote: »

I can think of two coached private gyms that I'd love to train in, but I can't afford. One of these has 10 to 18 months worth of programming published on its website. Can you tell which one I'm talking about?

Can you tell us what gym you are talking about?

It's hard to follow the thread if people on this thread don't know what you're referring to. Cheers.

d'Oracle

Doug Cartel wrote: »

I believe that particular gym costs half as much as the numbers quoted here, and the monthly dues are all-in. That includes a range of classes, programming, monitoring/testing and personal training. The only thing you pay extra for are seminars by outside people.

Why do you feel the need to point out what you get for the price at this gym, but that it isn't necessary to point out what you get for the price at a CrossFit facility? (You are underlining my original point here, if you feel the need to say this, surely its only fair to say this when commenting on prices at CFD)


For someone in my position both CrossFit Dublin and The gym that everyone knows I am talking about are out of my price range, so the variance in price is very much irrelevant to my point. *I am not in anyway equating the services supplied by Crossfit Gyms and anyother Gym*

See my point was that using the same facts in isolation (i.e. "Its too expensive", "you can get the information online") you create an implication.
When you read those 3 sentences ( ignoring context & the rest of the point) you decided that the great range of services supplied at this other Gym needed to be mentioned, which is basically caused by this implication. Which proves my point.

I felt that it is unfair to state those naked facts about CrossFit Gyms without stating the services that go with.

Get me?
I'm not the best at stating things simply.

Poncherello, Its nearly ready I believe.
Malahide road area.
I have met the guy running it and he is a really good bloke.
Website: http://www.performancetherapy.ie/

d'Oracle

G86 wrote: »

I haven't done a class, but I have gone through an induction and had membership options explained to me, and also seen classes taking place. With regards to pricing, I'm talking about the 2 affiliates - both of which charge extra for personal coaching. I'm not saying they shouldn't do this - I'm simply stating a fact.

And that's cool. I figured that you were criticising them for it, sorry if I'm wrong.

G86 wrote: »

Can't say I agree. Jackie Skellys charge €60 a month for a 6 week review and then you're left to your own devices. The other 'coached private gym' you're talking about charges only €20 more for constant coaching in which you're coached through every session - one on one when needed. Crossfit charges over twice that for group sessions without unlimited gym use, and no private coaching.

Again, I'm not saying they shouldn't charge this or that I don't see the value in it - I'm simply saying that there are cheaper alternatives also available.

Thats sweet too.
But realistically for some people that extra €20 (€25 in my case) a month is too much of an outlay.
Again, I'm not comparing what you get here.
I'm just saying that the same facts can be stated for your gym and in doing so create a false impression of decreased value. And in both cases I would feel it was wrong and pick a poster up on it.

I am an equal opportunities pedantic dick.

littlefriend

afaik CFI (Sandyford) is around 100 a month for an unlimited number of sessions.

Hanley

littlefriend wrote: »

afaik CFI (Sandyford) is around 100 a month for an unlimited number of sessions.

You're miles off.

Anyway... has anyone else noticed the truly spectacular irony at play here?!?!

SanoVitae

Hanley wrote: »

Anyway... has anyone else noticed the truly spectacular irony at play here?!?!

Nope! What do you find so ironic?

G86

littlefriend wrote: »

afaik CFI (Sandyford) is around 100 a month for an unlimited number of sessions.

Nope.

littlefriend

Hanley wrote: »

You're miles off.

Anyway... has anyone else noticed the truly spectacular irony at play here?!?!

Wow - thats what it was this time last year.

SanoVitae

Is there anyone from either of the Crossfit locations on the forum who can answer the various questions regarding the fees?

Magic Eight Ball

peteclarke wrote: »

take your cfi t shirt off which as its wednesday is probably blue (cringe) and just look at the cost which is the only thing i have a problem with. ( and blue shirt wednesday )

'Blue shirt Wednesday'?
It was my understanding that the wearing of t-shirts was prohibited during crossfit workouts.

Doug Cartel

d'Oracle wrote: »

Why do you feel the need to point out what you get for the price at this gym, but that it isn't necessary to point out what you get for the price at a CrossFit facility? (You are underlining my original point here, if you feel the need to say this, surely its only fair to say this when commenting on prices at CFD)

I'm just saying what you get for the price you pay. You are welcome to give a breakdown of what Crossfit offer for their monthly dues if you want. That would be great actually, as then people could make an informed decision about where they want to go.

For someone in my position both CrossFit Dublin and The gym that everyone knows I am talking about are out of my price range, so the variance in price is very much irrelevant to my point.

Your personal budget is of no concern to me really. Somebody quoted a figure and said that it wasn't too expensive. I replied that yes it is too expensive (from a buyers perspective) as you can get the same thing (maybe better) for less if you shop around.

See my point was that using the same facts in isolation (i.e. "Its too expensive", "you can get the information online") you create an implication.

I never stated or otherwise implied these that the availability of the information elsewhere had any bearing on the value of their service. Don't put words in my mouth.

When you read those 3 sentences ( ignoring context & the rest of the point) you decided that the great range of services supplied at this other Gym needed to be mentioned, which is basically caused by this implication. Which proves my point.

I'm sorry, I don't follow, which three sentences?

I felt that it is unfair to state those naked facts about CrossFit Gyms without stating the services that go with.

Then give me counter examples, address the points directly.

Get me?

No I don't really.

I'm not the best at stating things simply.

No arguments there.

d'Oracle

SanoVitae wrote: »

Is there anyone from either of the Crossfit locations on the forum who can answer the various questions regarding the fees?

One of the coaches on from one of the posts here increasingly rarely.
But a coach from one affiliate can't speak for another.

And if you really want to know, e-mail them.

d'Oracle

Doug Cartel wrote: »

I'm just saying what you get for the price you pay. You are welcome to give a breakdown of what Crossfit offer for their monthly dues if you want. That would be great actually, as then people could make an informed decision about where they want to go.

I know. I can't. Nor should I to prove the point I was making.
People are free to contact CrossFit to find this out.

Doug Cartel wrote: »

Your personal budget is of no concern to me really. Somebody quoted a figure and said that it wasn't too expensive. I replied that yes it is too expensive (from a buyers perspective) as you can get the same thing (maybe better) for less if you shop around.

I was using my perspective as an example, an example of someone for whom both CrossFit and the other Gym are too expensive for their available budget. Equally I accept that you feel one is better value than the other. Its nothing personal.

Doug Cartel wrote: »

I never stated or otherwise implied these that the availability of the information elsewhere had any bearing on the value of their service. Don't put words in my mouth.

I didn't put words in your mouth. I thought you were defending peterclarkes point. I had thought this entire debate was based on my disapproval of peterclarkes appraisal of the CrossFit gyms. I have been basically talking about that one thing. What am I missing here?

Doug Cartel wrote: »

I'm sorry, I don't follow, which three sentences?

The three from my post, which you quoted in the post I replied to.

Doug Cartel wrote: »

Then give me counter examples, address the points directly.

Counter examples of what?
Do you think I am criticising a gym here?

Doug Cartel wrote: »

No I don't really.

Frankly I'm not sure you are even talking about the same thing as me anymore. It actually looks like you have started your own debate based on something you quoted out of context. I see no value in debating something, when I don't even know what the subject is.

Doug Cartel wrote: »

No arguments there.

I'm sorry my posting doesn't live up to your standards.

Edit: I think I have gotten you and Chet Zar mixed up. Sorry to both of you.

SanoVitae

d'Oracle wrote: »

If you really want to know, e-mail them.

That would only answer my questions though and I only I would get the answers.

There seems to have been many opinions formed about Crossfit over the course of this thread, which is based on information which may or may not be true.

If there was a source from a Crossfit location as part of this thread, they could at least confirm what's true and what's not.

I know that if there was a thread on my gym, I'd be on to it straight away.

Poncherello

I dont think anyone from iether Gym needs to come on here
This is great advertising for both of them even

d'Oracle

SanoVitae wrote: »

That would only answer my questions though and I only I would get the answers.

There seems to have been many opinions formed about Crossfit over the course of this thread, which is based on information which may or may not be true.

If there was a source from a Crossfit location as part of this thread, they could at least confirm what's true and what's not.

I know that if there was a thread on my gym, I'd be on to it straight away.

Yeah.
Maybe they don't see it that way though.

Edwardius

Personally I think they should offer unlimited one on one coaching, nutrition, sleep and supplemental advice for €30 a month while also paying huge rent in an expensive part of town while also paying insurance, continued education, equipment maintenance and purchase, three full time salaries (at a level that will somehow be above the breadline after all the overheads have been taken into consideration).

Now a lot of this information can be obtained free from the internet, but you can get all the info necessary to do a degree for free online too, but if you can afford to train there, it's unlikey you'll have the hours necessary to sort the noise from the useful info on the internet. Like, why did they decide to use kstar's mobility information in conjunction with consultations with physical therapists vs just doing some static stretching?

if Reilly isn't too busy running a gym he'll correct me if I'm mistaken in my belief that the last person to lose a shirt in there (under CFI coaching) was possibly Pat Barber, and that was in tallaght, there's no vomit bucket and lying on the floor like a dead fish after a workout is not allowed....

..just sayin'

Barry.Oglesby

Can people stop comparing Crossfit gyms to the "other" gym please? I don't think the comparison benefits either party.

d'Oracle

Barry.Oglesby wrote: »

Can people stop comparing Crossfit gyms to the "other" gym please? I don't think the comparison benefits either party.

For my part, yes.
And sorry.

discus

I reported a post over a week ago to suggest a thread split. Talking about other gyms on a Crossfit-specific thread isn't particularly sound. If I were involved with CF, I wouldn't be happy with how this is turning out.

But as Barry has said, they're doing well, so maybe they think "why bother?"

Zamboni

If this thread was to back to the versus point in the thread title I would offer this...

CF Dublin have drastically upped the game by offering unlimited classes on varying 3-9 month offerings between €155 and €190 per month.

In order to get unlimited in CFI you need to be paying thousands of euro on a two year basis.

Zamboni

And fwiw listing a bunch of overheads of a fitness business does not justify product/service prices.

Magic Eight Ball

Zamboni wrote: »

In order to get unlimited in CFI you need to be paying thousands of euro on a two year basis.

Their slogan is 'all it takes is all you got' afterall.

Hanley

Zamboni wrote: »

And fwiw listing a bunch of overheads of a fitness business does not justify product/service prices.

Have to chime in and agree here. It's like saying it's ok to charge €20 for a big mac because the rent on grafton street is so high.

I really like the lads in CFI and think they do a great job. Costs aside, they're having a positive impact on a lot of peoples lives, so they're a success in that regard.

Would I pay €150-200 per month? No. But I'm not really interested in training full Crossfit all the time, and I know enough that the coaching would add very little to my game. So I'd be left paying a lot of money to estentially be in a gym where the two main selling points are things I'm not interested in.

Do I think it's good value? It depends. If people are happy to pay however much it costs, then they must consider it good value. If they didn't, they would not. For guys with NO training experience and who probably wouldn't be motivated to go to a gym unless they've shelled out a fat wedge and feel like they're wasting it, enjoy the group atmosphere and the esprit de corp, then grand. Good value!!

In regards IP, if they were charging CFI prices, I'd probably find it very hard to justify the cost, but that's because I'm cheap. As it is, I'm pretty much robbing them with the amount of time I spend up there. The coaching I get there is the type that adds serious value to my lifting because Will's expertise is strength and sports improvements. There's a lot of gaps in my knowledge, and I can fill them in with him while I learn.

The added benefit of no cost for the martial arts classes is just insane. I reckon I spend 15-17 hours a week in IP, currently 12+ of those are in coached MA classes. It ends up working out at < €2 per hour for me wit the time I spend in those classes. And that's ignoring the amount of time I spend bothering Will, both in person and online.

I know Barry didn't want comparisons, but I'm sure both gyms will agree that the clientelle they're most likely to attract are different anyway. So there's an objective comparison for ya.

SanoVitae

Zamboni wrote: »

CF Dublin have drastically upped the game by offering unlimited classes on varying 3-9 month offerings between €155 and €190 per month.

In order to get unlimited in CFI you need to be paying thousands of euro on a two year basis.

24 months at €155 and €190 equals €3,720-€4,560.

They both cost thousands to train over the course of 2 years, right?

Zamboni

SanoVitae wrote: »

24 months at €155 and €190 equals €3,720-€4,560.

They both cost thousands to train over the course of 2 years, right?

Aye, but you can sign up to a three month contract in CFD at €190 per month to get unlimited, whereas you have to be signing onto 2year+ contracts in CFI to avail of unlmited training.
Unlimited classes on a shorter contract in CFD is clearly an advantage, no?

SanoVitae

Zamboni wrote: »

Aye, but you can sign up to a three month contract in CFD at €190 per month to get unlimited, whereas you have to be signing onto 2year+ contracts in CFI to avail of unlmited training.

Ah ok - I get you.

Mellor

Are you planning on quitting fitness training after 3 months?
Do you still do Crossfit, or go to a regualar gym and do the WODs
I'm honestly not sure what you are saying about unlimited classes. If you start do you not keep it up.


For the record, the gyms here are way way more expensive than Ireland. I'm a member of a chain of gyms, i can use multiple locations, but only 2 are practical. I pay over $100 a month. Crossfit here is a lot more than that. Dublin ain't so bad.

Zamboni

Mellor wrote: »

I'm honestly not sure what you are saying about unlimited classes.

Maybe I haven't explained the advantage very well.

Some people, like posters here would rather go to the gym 5-6 times a week rather than being limited to 2 or 3 one hour sessions.
Take an example
Crossfit Ireland option
-€900 for 8 months (112.50per month) for effectively 8 hours of classes per month.
Crossfit Dublin option
-€170 per month for 6 months but you can go to classes as often as you like.

peteclarke

For the record, the gyms here are way way more expensive than Ireland. I'm a member of a chain of gyms, i can use multiple locations, but only 2 are practical. I pay over $100 a month. Crossfit here is a lot more than that. Dublin ain't so bad.[/QUOTE]


Where are you?
What is €100 in euro?

Red Cortina

peteclarke wrote: »

Where are you?
What is €100 in euro?

Check his sig, (Location: Bondi...) he is in Australia. So his $100 would probably work out at something like 50euro????

Mellor

peteclarke wrote: »

What is €100 in euro?

Red Cortina wrote: »

Check his sig, (Location: Bondi...) he is in Australia. So his $100 would probably work out at something like 50euro????

Red Cortina, maybe you haven't heard, but the euro isn't worth crap these days.

$100 is about 70euro
What I pay is $29 or 21euro a week. Must try to get it reduced tbh, its like 1500 a yr

Transform

The Best Cat wrote: »

Great new Crossfit open in Walkinstown, its really worth a visit. The coach is the best I have seen. Give it a try you wont be disappointed.

well done you win for most obvious shill.

Mellor

The Best Cat wrote: »

Great new Crossfit open in Walkinstown, its really worth a visit. The coach is the best I have seen. Give it a try you wont be disappointed.

The funny part is, posts like this only undermine the coaches ability, rather than promote it

Hanley

The Best Cat wrote: »

Great new Crossfit open in Walkinstown, its really worth a visit. The coach is the best I have seen. Give it a try you wont be disappointed.

You need to see more coaches. NO idea who's behind it, but I know a brand new gym definitely doesn't have the worlds best coach.

But well done for undermining the gym.

discus

Transform wrote: »

well done you win for most obvious shill.

Mellor wrote: »

The funny part is, posts like this only undermine the coaches ability, rather than promote it

Hanley wrote: »

You need to see more coaches. NO idea who's behind it, but I know a brand new gym definitely doesn't have the worlds best coach.

But well done for undermining the gym.

Hang about, if a new poster came on here raving about Revfit, LIA, or whatever transform does, would the same posts be tolerated?

Shill? More than likely a friend trying to do something helpful, albeit unauthorised. Or maybe it's just bad marketing? The latter should be easily understood around here, I thought that marketing isn't a dirty word 'round these parts anymore.

Hanley

discus wrote: »

Hang about, if a new poster came on here raving about Revfit, LIA, or whatever transform does, would the same posts be tolerated?

Shill? More than likely a friend trying to do something helpful, albeit unauthorised. Or maybe it's just bad marketing? The latter should be easily understood around here, I thought that marketing isn't a dirty word 'round these parts anymore.

Pipe down there sport. It's been done to death.

Transform

discus wrote: »

Hang about, if a new poster came on here raving about Revfit, LIA, or whatever transform does, would the same posts be tolerated?

Shill? More than likely a friend trying to do something helpful, albeit unauthorised. Or maybe it's just bad marketing? The latter should be easily understood around here, I thought that marketing isn't a dirty word 'round these parts anymore.

Something helpful would be telling his friends directly rather than pulling up a post from two years ago and it's his/her second post

Im all for marketing, advertising when its done right.

"Whatever transform does" - Im still trying to figure out what i do (you have to wear multiple hats in this business) so thats bang on.

LaHaine

Hanley wrote: »

Pipe down there sport. It's been done to death.

The boss speaks.

Mellor

discus wrote: »

Hang about, if a new poster came on here raving about Revfit, LIA, or whatever transform does, would the same posts be tolerated?

Shill? More than likely a friend trying to do something helpful, albeit unauthorised. Or maybe it's just bad marketing? The latter should be easily understood around here, I thought that marketing isn't a dirty word 'round these parts anymore.

Signing up just to promote a business/product/whatever is shilling, and it's banned sitewide, no matter what the subject. Intentions don't have to be malicious.

If a new poster was digging up threads to post about RevFit, then I'd have made the same point about undermining the coach more than anything else.

Dotcomdolly

Mellor wrote: »

The funny part is, posts like this only undermine the coaches ability, rather than promote it

Came in for a browse & came across this. Shame that anyone feels the need to shill on behalf of D12Crossfit & thus paint it a poor light. I just joined last month & am loving it. I don't have enough experience to say if we have the best coach ever ever in the whole wide world but he's definitely very good!