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Luas Cross City (Line BX/D) [now open]

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    #692
    AngryLips
    Registered Users Posts: 2,706 ✭✭✭AngryLips


    darkman2 wrote: »
    Anyone else think it's a mistake to link the posh luas line with the red line? I heard someone mention this to me and they have genuine concerns about the security implications on the red line that don't exist on the green line.

    Yes there would be serious security concerns on the red line once the two lines have been linked. As a resident in a neighbourhood served by the red line I'm genuinely worried by the risk of gentrification in my area and the prospect of having snobs for neighbours once BXD is built.


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    #693
    An Cuinneach
    Registered Users Posts: 110 ✭✭An Cuinneach


    AngryLips wrote: »
    Yes there would be serious security concerns on the red line once the two lines have been linked. As a resident in a neighbourhood served by the red line I'm genuinely worried by the risk of gentrification in my area and the prospect of having snobs for neighbours once BXD is built.

    Seconded.

    Plus the security on the Red Line is fantastic. Ever since they've been introduced, I haven't had a single bad experience on the Luas. It seems the knackers and drug users aren't fond of going up against seven foot tall Eastern Europeans.


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    #694
    Wild Bill
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,129 ✭✭✭Wild Bill


    An Cuinneach wrote: »
    seven foot tall Eastern Europeans.

    We have those guys on the Green Line too!

    Obviously on the look-out for refugees from Red Line country 'cos otherwise why would we need them?

    They breed them in the Estonian outback...never seen guys as large....costs a fortune to feed them; special food section at Leopardstown Valley SC just to keep them in vitals.

    'Tis said they are especially mean if they haven't eaten for five minutes.


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    #695
    darkman2
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 8,632 ✭✭✭darkman2


    AngryLips wrote: »
    Yes there would be serious security concerns on the red line once the two lines have been linked. As a resident in a neighbourhood served by the red line I'm genuinely worried by the risk of gentrification in my area and the prospect of having snobs for neighbours once BXD is built.


    I'm only being mischevious;)


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    #696
    Wild Bill
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,129 ✭✭✭Wild Bill


    darkman2 wrote: »
    I'm only being mischievous

    We know that ;)


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    #697
    dowlingm
    Registered Users Posts: 5,336 ✭✭✭dowlingm


    Since there are no through Red/Green line services planned I reckon the Greenies should worry more about Line F than Line A :rolleyes:


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    #698
    L1011
    Registered Users Posts: 68,826 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    dowlingm wrote: »
    Since there are no through Red/Green line services planned I reckon the Greenies should worry more about Line F than Line A :rolleyes:

    F co-runs with A in part and not with B - surely its BXD with Cabra and Finglas they'd be running scared from...


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    #699
    Wild Bill
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,129 ✭✭✭Wild Bill


    dowlingm wrote: »
    Since there are no through Red/Green line services planned I reckon the Greenies should worry more about Line F than Line A :rolleyes:

    Indeed.
    We know why it's called the F line, don't we?
    :cool:


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    #700
    Jack Noble
    Registered Users Posts: 426 ✭✭Jack Noble


    Wild Bill wrote: »
    Indeed.
    We know why it's called the F line, don't we?
    :cool:

    Cos there's F all chance of it being built this side of 2030...?


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    #701
    Wild Bill
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,129 ✭✭✭Wild Bill


    Jack Noble wrote: »
    Cos there's F all chance of it being built this side of 2030...?

    That's another good reason ;)


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    #702
    dowlingm
    Registered Users Posts: 5,336 ✭✭✭dowlingm


    MYOB wrote: »
    dowlingm wrote: »
    Since there are no through Red/Green line services planned I reckon the Greenies should worry more about Line F than Line A :rolleyes:

    F co-runs with A in part and not with B - surely its BXD with Cabra and Finglas they'd be running scared from...
    Argh, yes that was what I meant. Thanks ;)


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    #703
    nowecant
    Registered Users Posts: 332 ✭✭nowecant


    If no one on this forum is aware DIT Grangegorman just got the go ahead which will be a major boost for this Luas line. More info on that at http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055972651&page=7

    Also in my lurking on this forum iv never seen a link to Luas BXD planning application website http://www.dublinluasbroombridge.ie/ There is a massive amount of information on this. Im half convinced they made the site bad on purpose as its impossible to find with google and impossible to navigate around.

    While i only took a very quick look though the An Board Pleanala reports at http://www.pleanala.ie/news/ZD2005/ZD2005.htm they have multiple references to the Luas if anyone si interested.


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    #704
    Aidan1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 624 ✭✭✭Aidan1


    Ever since they've been introduced, I haven't had a single bad experience on the Luas.

    Agreed - security is present but relatively discreet (as far as you can be if you're 6'x" and are dressed like a SWAT team member). They don't even have to intervene much anymore - the troublemakers don't even bother kicking off. There seems to be a good working relationship with the GS too - have seen both 'persuading' junkies to stop hassling punters on platforms.

    Back on topic for a second, it bodes well for BXD and other lines if the red line can be kept in order like this. Can't be cheap to do, but at least it means that the investment can be used without fear (relatively speaking).


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    #705
    cgcsb
    Registered Users Posts: 9,527 ✭✭✭cgcsb


    interactive_map.swf

    this map now appears on the rpa's home page, this'll be their main pet project for the next few years.


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    #706
    monument
    Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 14,080 Mod ✭✭✭✭monument


    What do you want them to do? Keep up the planned network map which included Metro North and Metro West?


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    #707
    cgcsb
    Registered Users Posts: 9,527 ✭✭✭cgcsb


    I don't want them to do anything, I was merely drawing attention to the change, Jeeezz


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    #708
    monument
    Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 14,080 Mod ✭✭✭✭monument


    Fair enough.


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    #709
    nowecant
    Registered Users Posts: 332 ✭✭nowecant


    Iv'e seen RPA engineers taking measurements at the long stone at Doyles corner and going up Hawkings St towards the new bridge. They seem to be testing soil quality this morning as well.

    Is it possible that they might attempt to get this section done first so that they will eb able to lay the tracks across the new bridge in one go?

    Has anyone else seen them doing any work?


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    #710
    Aard
    Registered Users Posts: 4,905 ✭✭✭Aard


    Saw them working on Dawson Street a while back. Just two guys out surveying the street.


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    #711
    BrianD
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,221 ✭✭✭BrianD


    nowecant wrote: »
    Iv'e seen RPA engineers taking measurements at the long stone at Doyles corner and going up Hawkings St towards the new bridge. They seem to be testing soil quality this morning as well.

    Is it possible that they might attempt to get this section done first so that they will be able to lay the tracks across the new bridge in one go?

    Has anyone else seen them doing any work?

    They can lay the tracks/foundations on the bridge and cover them over.


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    #712
    nowecant
    Registered Users Posts: 332 ✭✭nowecant


    BrianD wrote: »
    They can lay the tracks/foundations on the bridge and cover them over.

    Why would they cover them over?

    I was asking if anyone else thought they might be starting the work on this section so that they would be ready for when the main structure of the bridge was up in order to have the entire section done in one go?

    However if they are undertaking the same measurements on Dawson St as pointed out by Aard it is unlikely.

    Also has anyone else heard anything more about a report the RPA are meant to be completing in relation to alternatives to overhead wires in certain parts of the city centre such as College Green? An Board Planala are apparently making them compleet it. Will this delay construction?


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    #713
    Telchak
    Registered Users Posts: 888 ✭✭✭Telchak


    nowecant wrote: »
    Will this delay construction?

    The Government pushed the start of construction back to 2015, so no.


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    #714
    The Recliner
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,630 ✭✭✭The Recliner


    They are doing works on Dominick Street today, must be digging some parts up because the note said all footpaths will be restored afterwards


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    #715
    [Jackass]
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,193 ✭✭✭[Jackass]


    I'm all for linking up the Green Line with the Bread Line, I just wish they'd hurry up and do it. Should have been done in the first place. Once it's completed, it will be a decent piece of public infrastructure, with genuine links for the entire city to north and south and dart. Next step is airport.


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    #716
    BrianD
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,221 ✭✭✭BrianD


    nowecant wrote: »
    Why would they cover them over?

    In the event that the rest of the line is a long time coming. I suppose if it's an embedded track makes no odds. If I recall during the original construction of the luas there were some areas where track was laid early and then temporarily tarmaced over.

    [Quote=[Jackass]]Next step is airport.[/quote] No justifiable demand exists for it.


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    #717
    markpb
    Registered Users Posts: 9,309 ✭✭✭markpb


    BrianD wrote: »
    If I recall during the original construction of the luas there were some areas where track was laid early and then temporarily tarmaced over.

    You do, O'Connell St was one of those places.
    No justifiable demand exists for it.

    Based on what?


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    #718
    strassenwo!f
    Registered Users Posts: 1,512 ✭✭✭strassenwo!f


    monument wrote: »
    What do you want them to do? Keep up the planned network map which included Metro North and Metro West?

    Hopefully the metrowest has been binned for ever.

    But the metro north project is still part of the plan, according to the RPA
    RPA website wrote:
    “larger public transport projects proposed for the GDA (such as Metro North and DART Underground which were to be advanced as PPP projects, but which require very significant Exchequer contributions) cannot proceed at this time. They are being postponed for consideration in advance of the next capital programme which will be drawn up in 2015 and will cover the period from 2016 onwards. These projects are being deferred, not cancelled: they remain key elements of the overall integrated transport strategy for the GDA and will be progressed when fiscal and market conditions improve.

    There are obviously some fairly oddball aspects of metro north which will need to be given further attention before commencement of the project is seriously considered in the future.

    However the project, according to the above, is still on the table. So why should they not include it on their planned network map?


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    #719
    Zebra3
    Registered Users Posts: 13,878 ✭✭✭✭Zebra3


    [Jackass] wrote: »
    I'm all for linking up the Green Line with the Bread Line, I just wish they'd hurry up and do it. Should have been done in the first place.

    Of course it should've been done first time round, but we had a government led by a coward who was afraid of confronting vested interests. :rolleyes:


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    #720
    OssianSmyth
    Closed Accounts Posts: 267 ✭✭OssianSmyth


    BXD journey time is planned to be 24 minutes. Broombridge is only half way to the airport, so if the line were continued on to the airport the journey time would be unattractive.


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    #721
    BrianD
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,221 ✭✭✭BrianD


    markpb wrote: »
    You do, O'Connell St was one of those places.



    Based on what?

    Demand for a luas to the airport as a final destination? I thought that arguement was pretty well boxed off at this stage. The patronage isn't there. Airport served as part of a route makes sense but given that this is a discussion about Luas BXD, I'll stop there.


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