Series 5, Episode 13 - " The Big Bang "

Stark

protosByte wrote:

The only issue I had with the series is that not enough people died ! In doctor who people are dying all over the place. It's a trademark thing. We need more death ..........

It's usually only the "redshirts" who die though. Can't remember an important character dying since the classic series...

protosByte

I don't really care who dies. It doesn't have to be a main character. Anyone will do really .....

pixelburp

Uhhhhh, ok.

ixoy

protosByte wrote: »

I don't really care who dies. It doesn't have to be a main character. Anyone will do really .....

I'm getting fond memories of "Horror of Fang Rock" where everybody dies, except the Doctor and Leela. We need more of that sorta slaughter!

protosByte

ixoy wrote: »

I'm getting fond memories of "Horror of Fang Rock" where everybody dies, except the Doctor and Leela. We need more of that sorta slaughter!

That's what I'm talking about. Horror of Fang Rock was a great book / episode !

nicowa

elekid wrote: »

Just to clear up all the confusion, here's a timeline for the episode...

Thanks. That was... helpful...?

Kharn wrote: »

He's a likeable character and there's potential to do a lot with him

especially now that he's an Auton.

He's really not.

Killer_banana wrote: »

Added stuff: So someone might have already said this, I don't know, I'm too tired to read every single post but I'm pretty sure the Doctor said that the TARDIS acting as an artificial sun gave the Earth a small bit longer to live than the rest of space and time hance the eye of the storm. It's a bit questionable but I think people analyse it too much. No matter what explanation was given it's such a complicated story that there would probably be some sort of hole to find it and also, it's a kids' show, storylines can only be so complicated, and this one was already very very complicated. Just my view anyway. again, sorry if someone has already said this,

The way I got it was that the earth was in the centre of the "Storm" so that was why it lasted longer. The TARDIS exploding acted like a sun to keep the planet warm and keeping everything alive on Earth. Not sure how well that works if there have never been any stars. Unless it's that as the stars disappear they get forgotten.

Stark

That timeline reminds me of one someone did for "Primer", which tbh was a much cleverer handling of the whole "wibbly wobbly timey wimey" thing and doesn't have any deus ex machina or "get out of the pandorica free card" resolutions.

ixoy

Stark wrote: »

That timeline reminds me of one someone did for "Primer", which tbh was a much cleverer handling of the whole "wibbly wobbly timey wimey" thing and doesn't have any deus ex machina or "get out of the pandorica free card" resolutions.

Yes. However "Primer" is the exception to the rule in that it's nearly the only movie that handles complex time travel very well and consistently. Most of the others muck it up or rely too much on silly paradoxes. "12 Monkeys" did a good job too, just not on the same scale.

Doctor DooM

ixoy wrote: »

Yes. However "Primer" is the exception to the rule in that it's nearly the only movie that handles complex time travel very well and consistently. Most of the others muck it up or rely too much on silly paradoxes. "12 Monkeys" did a good job too, just not on the same scale.

It must be said I can't recall fezes in either of these films though so I consider this point rather moot?

pixelburp

Hmmm, I was just catching the BBC3 repeat of The Pandorica Opens, and the Doctor actually mentions that he could easily open the Pandorica, but didn't want to until he knew what was inside (don't forget, he initially thought it was a prison with someone in there already).

The fact that Rory opened it so easily with the sonic screwdriver was mentioned as a criticism by a few people, but on re-watching the first episode, it actually isn't as much of a goof as I first thought

nicowa

pixelburp wrote: »

Hmmm, I was just catching the BBC3 repeat of The Pandorica Opens, and the Doctor actually mentions that he could easily open the Pandorica, but didn't want to until he knew what was inside (don't forget, he initially thought it was a prison with someone in there already).

The fact that Rory opened it so easily with the sonic screwdriver was mentioned as a criticism by a few people, but on re-watching the first episode, it actually isn't as much of a goof as I first thought

Yep, I thought he might have said something like that but wasn't sure enough to use it in argument form.

Still won't solve the argument of "but he shouldn't have been able to hand Rory the sonic screwdriver..."

BaconZombie

angelll

My head hurts!!!! Will have to print it out i think and get a proper look. Thanks for posting it though!

Banjo Fella

Ooh, messy, pretty timeline. My head hurts. The bit at the bottom reminded me of the "TARDIS bang-bang, Daleks BOOM!" line from Victory of the Daleks, even if it wasn't intentional. :pac:

nicowa wrote: »

Still won't solve the argument of "but he shouldn't have been able to hand Rory the sonic screwdriver..."

Moffat's intention was that the Doctor wouldn't have to obey the normal rules of causality, as the universe was collapsing around him. He revealed as much during the final Confidential episode. The rules of reality were unravelling along with reality itself, so the Doctor really did manage to escape from the Pandorica because he escaped from the Pandorica, because he escaped from the Pandorica... and so on. Which is fair enough IMO, it's an entertaining loop of fate!

Possibly a leap of faith for some people's suspension of disbelief, though.

norrie rugger

You know what? SCREW EVERYTHING in this thread

I watched it again and I STILL enjoyed it. Paradox or no paradox, Sun or no Sun. It was good timey wimey fun and I am sick of analysing it

Banjo Fella

Hmm, sorry. Probably over-analysing it alright.

For the record, I loved the finale! Two terrific episodes with tons of brilliant moments, and I always enjoy Moffat's fun paradoxes and wibbly-wobbly goodness.

Also, fez!