Queen Elizabeth II to visit Ireland.

prinz

Coillte_Bhoy wrote: »

Silly mexample. By your logic Spain is occupying Catalonia is it?

That's not my logic. That is however the logic espoused by the cretins who would complain about a visit by the Queen.

prinz

Knarr wrote: »

Oh it is. But its not recognised internationally..

But you have no problem with an Iranian representative coming here though? Why the double standard?

Knarr

prinz wrote: »

That's not my logic. That is however the logic espoused by the cretins who would complain about a visit by the Queen.

I oppose her as a representative of a murderous, occupying and war mongering state.

That alone is justification.

Knarr

prinz wrote: »

But you have no problem with an Iranian representative coming here though? Why the double standard?

There is no double standard using conventional reason. Iraq and Afghanistan were sovereign independent states recognised internationally - and one of which the UK invaded illegally.

Double standard?

What a bizzare thing to say.

galwayrush

She should be welcomed. Her country provided a place for countless Irish people to find work, something that sadly, our own country could not provide, looks like we'll be needing her country's help more than ever the way this place is sinking.

Carlos_Ray

Who's footing the bill for this proposed visit??? In the current climate I don't think our idiot politicians should be arranging visits for such powerless figure heads, British or not.

The country is drowning in debt. Thousands are forced to emmigrate. Dole ques are getting bigger. The government are going to introduce a property tax, so that they'll ultimately own OUR property for ever, and what is making the headlines????? A holiday for the British Queen at our expense!!!!!

Give me a break. This country is a total joke. If it was up to me I'd drag all the members of our government out to a field and shoot them all.

Until our "elected servants" sort out the country, they shoudn't even be thinking about such things as the British Queen visiting.

Are people so dumb they can't see an obvious political smoke screen when it explodes in their faces?? Our country may as well be run by John Gilligan and his cronies... they're all useless scum.

galwayrush

Knarr wrote: »

I oppose her as a representative of a murderous, occupying and war mongering state.

That alone is justification.

Yeah, they helped stopped those nice Nazi people taking over before,now it's those nice Taliban and the likes they are opposing. When will it stop....sigh............. :rolleyes:

Knarr

galwayrush wrote: »

Yeah, they helped stopped those nice Nazi people taking over before,now it's those nice Taliban and the likes they are opposing. When will it stop....sigh............. :rolleyes:

Taliban, Nazi's.

Sorry, I dont see your correlation.

prinz

Knarr wrote: »

What a bizzare thing to say.

Do you object to the representatives of Australia coming here? Ukraine? Poland? Italy? South Korea? Spain? Netherlands? Romania? El Salvador? Honduras? Denmark? Czech Republic? Estonia? Bulgaria? Azerbaijan? Singapore? Macedonia? Latvia? Kazakhstan? Mongolia? Hungary? Norway? Hungary? Iceland? Tonga? Thailand? Portugal? New Zealand? Armenia? Georgia? Moldova? Albania? Phillipines? Thailand? Nicaragua?.................

galwayrush

Knarr wrote: »

Taliban, Nazi's.

Sorry, I dont see your correlation.

I didn't think you would............:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

ultain

Knarr wrote: »

Taliban, Nazi's.

Sorry, I dont see your correlation.

good point..could you explain the correlation galwayrush?

Knarr

prinz wrote: »

Do you object to the representatives of Australia coming here? Ukraine? Poland? Italy? South Korea? Spain? Netherlands? Romania? El Salvador? Honduras? Denmark? Czech Republic? Estonia? Bulgaria? Azerbaijan? Singapore? Macedonia? Latvia? Kazakhstan? Mongolia? Hungary? Norway? Hungary? Iceland? Tonga? Thailand? Portugal? New Zealand? Armenia? Georgia? Moldova? Albania? Phillipines? Thailand? Nicaragua?.................

All of those did not wage an illegal invasion of another country. The UK did.


EDIT: Spelling mistake!

prinz

Knarr wrote: »

All of those did not wage an illigal invasion of another country. The UK did.

All of those contributed troops to the MNF in Iraq, and some more.

Knarr

prinz wrote: »

All of those contributed troops to the MNF in Iraq, and some more.

"All of those did not wage an illegal invasion of another country. The UK did."

Again?

ultain

prinz wrote: »

Do you object to the representatives of Australia coming here? Ukraine? Poland? Italy? South Korea? Spain? Netherlands? Romania? El Salvador? Honduras? Denmark? Czech Republic? Estonia? Bulgaria? Azerbaijan? Singapore? Macedonia? Latvia? Kazakhstan? Mongolia? Hungary? Norway? Hungary? Iceland? Tonga? Thailand? Portugal? New Zealand? Armenia? Georgia? Moldova? Albania? Phillipines? Thailand? Nicaragua?.................

What your point here? is this thread not about the queen of England been invited to come to Ireland? are you aware of the relationship Ireland has had with England over the years...

prinz

Knarr wrote: »

"All of those did not wage an illegal invasion of another country. The UK did." Again?

Some of those countries did participate in the invasion of Iraq. Perhaps you were talking about another illegal invasion?

Knarr

prinz wrote: »

Some of those countries did participate in the invasion of Iraq.

2 out of the 35 you mentioned. 'Some' indeed. Their heads of state should not be welcome here.

silliegillie

dvpower wrote: »

Again, under what definition is NI a colony?

In politics and in history, a colony is a territory under the immediate political control of a state

IrishTonyO

silliegillie wrote: »

In politics and in history, a colony is a territory under the immediate political control of a state

Really so what does Stormont do? Thanks to wikipedia for your post

silliegillie

IrishTonyO wrote: »

Really so what does Stormont do? Thanks to wikipedia for your post

Check Wiki, I was just showing the explanation of a colony

The Northern Ireland Act 1998 (c.47) is an Act of the Parliament of the United Kingdom which established a devolved legislature for Northern Ireland, the Northern Ireland Assembly, after decades of direct rule from Westminster.

aDeener

rovert wrote: »

Which many people who were you know actually involved in the middle of have moved on from. Maybe you dont know but Catholics and Protestant work together now up there, not only that they are in goverment together :eek::eek::eek:



^ Coming from the person that said that unification would change lives thats quite the compliment.

i have showed you how it would change lives, (which i cant believe i had to do, its completely obvious :rolleyes: ) yet you still ignore it

aDeener

prinz wrote: »

That's who I meant. You'll find it's the usual 'RA heads who'll pop up demanding the Queen apologise for x, y and z.

who are these 'ra heads, please name them.

rovert

aDeener wrote: »

i have showed you how it would change lives, (which i cant believe i had to do, its completely obvious :rolleyes: ) yet you still ignore it

Im not ignoring Ive addressed every claim you made, none of them is life changing.

aDeener

rovert wrote: »

Im not ignoring Ive addressed every claim you made, none of them is life changing.

using a different currency and having different different tax rates doesn't affect your day to day life? well il be..... :rolleyes:

being able to vote for different political parties is another change, different inflation rates, how many more do you want or are you just going to bury your head in sand?

EDIT: you did ignore that post, you never responded to it.....

rovert

aDeener wrote: »

using a different currency and having different different tax rates doesn't affect your day to day life? well il be..... :rolleyes:

being able to vote for different political parties is another change, different inflation rates, how many more do you want or are you just going to bury your head in sand?

You initally framed it was a positive change...

aDeener

rovert wrote: »

You initally framed it was a positive change...

bullshit, i never said any such thing, change can be for better or worse.

i love your backtracking, its pathetic but its lovely to watch

rovert

aDeener wrote: »

bullshit, i never said any such thing, change can be for better or worse.

i love your backtracking, its pathetic but its lovely to watch

I wasnt backtracking I have been arguing about this statement for the duration:

MUSSOLINI wrote: »

Unification would make a lot f people happier. Change peoples lives too. Just thought I would put that out there.

I confused you with Mussolini.

sceptre

I'd like less infantile language, more sense, less heat and more light in this thread please. That's an instruction.

Also a bit more sense and less repetition but that's just a worthwhile request.

Now watch me go back and issue formal reminders to everyone who decided to personalise the discussion and insult their fellow forum members. If there's a pattern of it from anyone there will also be an enforced holiday. That's just useful information.

I realise that common sense isn't all that common but some of you could try to make that fact less obvious when you're posting flame-baiting posts. Those will be watched for either - regardless of how dumb you think the guy on the other side of the fence is acting, the forum charter applies when you're posting - always has, always will.

/mod

sceptre

I've deleted the most recent posts on the convenience of having the same currency in use in Enniskillen and Sligo as, tangential and wacky as some of the contributions in the thread are in relation to the thread topic, that's a discussion heading for Pluto. No longer as it's now in deleted-Hades. An eye to the thread title would be good for anyone who wants to contribute - reading thread titles doesn't take up much of your valuable time.

/mod

Nehaxak

Look, there's a sea of change permeating around the British state itself toward their past attrocities and whatnot against Ireland and the Irish people and I'd be thinking along the lines of this visit by the queen of England being used as an option for her to apologise in some way (or at least make a step toward it in that regards...) for what was done in the past.

I'd have an open mind as to what the underlying intentions are and/or what might come of it/from it (her visit) in the future.

I don't think there'll be too much of a protest done against her visit other than symbolic, which is perfectly acceptable. There hasn't been too much rumblings in Republican circles in protest at this so I can only assume I am somewhat correct in my assertion and that certain elements higher up in Republican command structures have been made aware of the possibilities of her making steps toward healing deep lying wounds.

That's not to say there won't be rogue elements (as there already are anyway) who might take awful steps under protest at her visit but, unfortunately that's also to be expected.

I couldn't care less either way, I think it's a step in the right direction and sure we might well have a FG government soon so they'll all be out en-masse flying the Union Jack with big smiley heads on them telling us all how lovely she is.

imme

donegalfella wrote: »

This post has been deleted.

well said DF;)

Nehaxak

On a somewhat serious but also comedic note, how does one (see what I did thar?) officially greet royalty from another country ?

Would our government and officials be expected (or just do it anyway) to bow to the queen ? Would they think about doing it anyway just because they've watched too much TV over the years from the UK, but pull back mid bow when they realise they don't have to, but end up kind of stumbling a little or cross legged mid bow as if to suggest they need to go to take a piss, thereby looking like a fool to all the world (again!) ?
Would they just shake her hand and give her a kiss on the cheek as many would probably do to a granny ? Would that be acceptable ?

In all seriousness though, really, what is the accepted norm for greeting royalty visiting your country ?

Me, personally, I'd offer a hand to shake, hand on her shoulder and a gentle pull toward me to give her a kiss on the cheek with a "How are ye love, great to have you visiting here at long last - wow that's a pretty nice perfume you're wearing, oh god yeah that's really nice, can I have another sniff of that if you don't mind ? Oh god yeah, oh yeah that's lovely". Assuming of course she was actually wearing a nice perfume and it wasn't just old lady smell.

existential

Theres nothing to polarise the people of Ireland like an impending visit from the Queen of England it would seem.

It's my opinion that there are very real reasons to protest this visit if it gets the go ahead. Inviting her over and fawning obsequiously over her a week after her army were 'finally' found responsible for murdering 14 people in Derry in cold blood quite frankly makes us an embarrassment. The guilty parties still hold their medals and probably won't receive any sanctions for the murderous romp that day.

There's a lot more healing to be done before the majority welcome the Queen of England on sovereign Irish soil with open arms. Some day it'll happen but we're not there yet.

weepee

Its interesting to read that some posters believe that a state visit to the Republic by an Englich monarch, in some way proves how Ireland an a nation 'has moved on' from the bad old days.
Well, the Republic is only a partial nation, six counties remain 'detached' from the national territory, by an anti Irish political agreement 90 years old. As long as that remains the case, no head of that state should ever be awarded an official welcome.

Either that, or sell yourself short,by being satisfied at being just a little less Irish than you really are, depends how you can live with yourself I suppose.

FlutterinBantam

You should tug your forelock.

Doff your hat.

dlofnep

I wonder who's going to foot the bill for security? Surely, if they are intent on bringing her over - it would be better served once we are economically stable. There are schools falling down around the country, but we have to waste time on what I can only see for them as "closure".

This is going to cost millions - and it's great that those who are usually fiscally conservative are now eager to front a few million euro on the visit of an unelected state representative. The same representative that bestowed Derek Wilford with an OBE.

On one side, I can see why the Queen visiting might be considered a positive step in relations between Ireland, and Britain - but it's ultimately going to be counter-productive. Dublin is going to be ripped apart by scumbags looking for any excuse to have a riot - and it's just going to stir up old flares.

Irish/British relations are fine. We have a good working relationship and that will continue. I have no problem with David Cameron coming to visit to discuss political matters - but I would certainly have a problem with the Queen and what she stands for coming to visit. It's too costly, we can't afford it - and if she is really intent on coming - she should remove the honour of OBE from Derek Wilford for his role in the state-murder of Irish civilians as a gesture of good will. We can only reach out so much. It's time for Britain to extend their hand also.

rovert

weepee wrote: »

Its interesting to read that some posters believe that a state visit to the Republic by an Englich monarch, in some way proves how Ireland an a nation 'has moved on' from the bad old days.
Well, the Republic is only a partial nation, six counties remain 'detached' from the national territory, by an anti Irish political agreement 90 years old. As long as that remains the case, no head of that state should ever be awarded an official welcome.

Either that, or sell yourself short,by being satisfied at being just a little less Irish than you really are, depends how you can live with yourself I suppose.

Yep she is the one standing in the way of all that, good grief :rolleyes:

dlofnep wrote: »

It's too costly, we can't afford it

This is too costly but some on here what the Republic to fund a United Ireland ASAP. Kind of wacko.

Kev_ps3

Be a nice day out for the anglo-Irish and west-Brits.

sensibleken

I will not welcome the Queen untill she appologises for the disgracefull behaviour of that anti-monarchist Cromwell.

I will also not welcome the Queen Margrethe of Denmark unless she appologises from Clontarf dart station for the death of Brian Boru.

Nor will I welcome King Juan Carlos of Spain after his people colonised us in the bronze age.

I will also stop being friends with my mate who is a decendant of one of cromwells generals.

Do people realise that the English aren't 800 years old sitting around with long white beards slagging off GAA and not welcoming our president untill she appologises for Enya.

Kev_ps3

sensibleken wrote: »

I will not welcome the Queen untill she appologises for the disgracefull behaviour of that anti-monarchist Cromwell.

I will also not welcome the Queen Margrethe of Denmark unless she appologises from Clontarf dart station for the death of Brian Boru.

Nor will I welcome King Juan Carlos of Spain after his people colonised us in the bronze age.

I will also stop being friends with my mate who is a decendant of one of cromwells generals.

Do people realise that the English aren't 800 years old sitting around with long white beards slagging off GAA and not welcoming our president untill she appologises for Enya.

No but they are still have the north, and while people like you dont care about that. Patriots like myself do.

sensibleken

Kev_ps3 wrote: »

No but they are still have the north, and while people like you dont care about that. Patriots like myself do.

yes but a lot of 'patriots' seem to be under the impression that we had it at some stage and therefore have a claim to it. is this correct?

rovert

Kev_ps3 wrote: »

No but they are still have the north, and while people like you dont care about that. Patriots like myself do.

Hows the beard going, seriously Patriot? LMAO

Kev_ps3

sensibleken wrote: »

yes but a lot of 'patriots' seem to be under the impression that we had it at some stage and therefore have a claim to it. is this correct?

rovert wrote: »

Hows the beard going, seriously Patriot? LMAO

Not arguing with a bunch of west-brits.

sensibleken

Kev_ps3 wrote: »

Not arguing with a bunch of west-brits.

me-ow

Dudess

weepee wrote: »

Its interesting to read that some posters believe that a state visit to the Republic by an Englich monarch, in some way proves how Ireland an a nation 'has moved on' from the bad old days.
Well, the Republic is only a partial nation, six counties remain 'detached' from the national territory, by an anti Irish political agreement 90 years old. As long as that remains the case, no head of that state should ever be awarded an official welcome.

Either that, or sell yourself short,by being satisfied at being just a little less Irish than you really are, depends how you can live with yourself I suppose.

I can live with myself just fine.

Kev_ps3 wrote: »

Not arguing with a bunch of west-brits.

What's a west Brit? It's something that's thrown around a lot on Boards but never actually defined.

sensibleken

Dudess wrote: »

What's a west Brit? It's something that's thrown around a lot on Boards but never actually defined.

Welsh presumably.

Kev_ps3

Dudess wrote: »

I can live with myself just fine.

What's a west Brit? It's something that's thrown around a lot on Boards but never actually defined.

Well for one someone who supports the Queen coming here

rovert

Kev_ps3 wrote: »

Not arguing with a bunch of west-brits.

There's West Brits in this thread? How dare insert logic into the situation. Tiocfaidh Ar La when Nama gets repaid.

who the fug

Kev_ps3 wrote: »

Well for one someone who supports the Queen coming here

Think you will find more indifference than support.

Judgement Day

Kev_ps3 wrote: »

No but they are still have the north, and while people like you dont care about that. Patriots like myself do.

My hero! :rolleyes: