Subs in injury time

pickarooney

I can't understand why there has never been a move to eradicate this nonsense of managers making 'tactical' substitutions in injury time. It is, and always has been, blatant time-wasting and totally against the spirit of the game. It's frustrating for the opposition and anyone watching the game to see this carry-on, time after time.

There should be no tactical substitutions allowed after the 80th minute, IMO and any injury substitutions should have to be validated by the ref or an independent physio.

I know that last bit is pie-in-the-sky and potentially dangerous but I didn't want to appear as a crank by suggesting that a team should just play on with 10 men if a player is injured in the closing minutes.

GLaDOS

pickarooney wrote: »

I can't understand why there has never been a move to eradicate this nonsense of managers making 'tactical' substitutions in injury time. It is, and always has been, blatant time-wasting and totally against the spirit of the game. It's frustrating for the opposition and anyone watching the game to see this carry-on, time after time.

There should be no tactical substitutions allowed after the 80th minute, IMO and any injury substitutions should have to be validated by the ref or an independent physio.

I know that last bit is pie-in-the-sky and potentially dangerous but I didn't want to appear as a crank by suggesting that a team should just play on with 10 men if a player is injured in the closing minutes.

Banning subs isn't the right thing as they are an essential part of the game. What needs to be done is booking of players who take ages to get off the pitch

Boskowski

pickarooney wrote: »

I can't understand why there has never been a move to eradicate this nonsense of managers making 'tactical' substitutions in injury time. It is, and always has been, blatant time-wasting and totally against the spirit of the game. It's frustrating for the opposition and anyone watching the game to see this carry-on, time after time.

There should be no tactical substitutions allowed after the 80th minute, IMO and any injury substitutions should have to be validated by the ref or an independent physio.

I know that last bit is pie-in-the-sky and potentially dangerous but I didn't want to appear as a crank by suggesting that a team should just play on with 10 men if a player is injured in the closing minutes.

Difficult. Because I think it's perfectly acceptable game ethics to make a genuinely tactical substitution - like bringing on that 3rd forward for the endgame. Or what if a player is not injured but simply exhausted?

Mr.Nice Guy

As I understand it the ref is supposed to add on 30 seconds for each substitution. In theory that ought to make it a foolish move to throw on a sub when you want time to run out, but I think the problem is referees don't enforce that rule enough.

I don't like seeing it myself. I'd like to see the clock stopped for every substitution as I think that would largely cut out the practice.

pickarooney

How about you can't make a substitution if you are ahead?

Banning subs isn't the right thing as they are an essential part of the game.

How essential is a player brought on in the 94th minute who will in all likelihood not touch the ball?

It's not just the refs who don't add on the correct injury time, the whole notion of how to calculate is completely unclear. As far as I understand it, the minimum is 30 seconds per sub (usually 3 minutes a game then) plus time for actual injuries and some discretionary measure. Realistically all games should ahve at 5 minutes injury time if this were the case, yet people seem to go nuts if more than 3 is played.

keane2097

Banning subs is stupid.

The simple, obvious method is the best - just add on the proper amount of additional time.

GLaDOS

pickarooney wrote: »

How essential is a player brought on in the 94th minute who will in all likelihood not touch the ball?

Not at all, however bringing on a defender 1 minute into 4 minutes injury time to protect a lead is perfect valid, and should not be cut out imo. Where do you draw the line?

pickarooney

keane2097 wrote: »

Banning subs is stupid.

Fair enough, but can you at least say why?

Where do you draw the line?

90 minutes. It's not like injury time should be a surprise to anyone and if you intend to make a defensive change, by all means go ahead, before normal time is over.

Dont be at yourself

pickarooney wrote: »

Fair enough, but can you at least say why?



90 minutes. It's not like injury time should be a surprise to anyone and if you intend to make a defensive change, by all means go ahead, before normal time is over.

Because managers can legitimately want to change the tactics after the 80th minute.

Just enforce the existing rules. If a player is taking too long to leave the pitch, give him a card.

lordgoat

I can see how annoying the rule can be but i think it's grand, it's not as if it benefits a small number of teams every time. Both teams i've played for and against have used this and i have no problem with it.

There are alot more important issues in the game that need attention before this.

pickarooney

NekkidBibleMan wrote: »

Because managers can legitimately want to change the tactics after the 80th minute.

Just enforce the existing rules. If a player is taking too long to leave the pitch, give him a card.

80th is maybe too early, fair enough, but 90+, nahh.
I don't see how booking a player who's leaving the game will make any difference

keane2097

pickarooney wrote: »

Fair enough, but can you at least say why?

Because there are trivially obvious legitimate reasons to want to make substitutions at any point in a game, up to the final whistle.

There is a perfectly suitable method of remedying this problem already available, just use that.

rebel girl 15

NekkidBibleMan wrote: »

Because managers can legitimately want to change the tactics after the 80th minute.

Just enforce the existing rules. If a player is taking too long to leave the pitch, give him a card.

I agree - book him if he is taking too long, it is a legitimate booking for timewasting already being used for players wasting time during the game. It is also important for the ref to make sure he is adding on the 30 seconds on for each sub, even if it is made in the 92nd minute.

IvySlayer

Doesn't the time get added for the amount of time taken to make it?

Also banning tactical subs after the 90, will just lead to more players faking injury.

event

impossible to implement, what if a player gets injured?

how will he be assessed by the ref/physio?

you have to allow it, nothing you can do

PHB

Anderson was brought on in the CL final in the last minute of extra time in order to take a penalty kick, i.e. tactical reasons. Furthermore, bringing on another defender for the last minute can make a tactical difference.
The real problem is with refs, who should literally look at their watch the second the board goes up, and add the appropriate time onto the game. But they don't.

mink_man

meh heskey was brought on against slovenia to defend a corner so ya....

Dont be at yourself

In fairness, the whole notion of injury time is a bit ridiculous. If we actually added on the necessary time for when the ball goes out of play, matches would be twice as long.

pickarooney

I guess I'm on a hiding to nothing here I'm just a bit surprised it doesn't annoy the hell out of everyone else.

Guy:Incognito

The ref shouldnt be the timekeeper. Have the 4th official look after the clock and stop it where appropriate.

Mars Bar

Myself and my Dad were on about this the last day too and we agreed that once the 90 mins are up, they shouldn't be allowed to make a substitution. It's really annoying and pointless IMO...

artanevilla

The ref should just add 30 seconds on like any other sub. Banning subs would create more problems than it would solve.

mewso

Is there some reason they don't adopt the Rugby way of doing things and simply stop the clock so we can all see the current situation. Players feigning injuries will see the clock being stopped and will be less inclined to do it. Same for late substitutions.