Marian Finucane

alan partridge aha · 20-08-2018 6:21pm

anthonyjmaher wrote: »

My point was not to make an analogy between RTE and the Church, but to point that there are child abusers everywhere. Listening to RTE you would think that child abusers only existed within the environs of the Church, yet RTE themselves had an abuser among their senior staff.

You could create an analogy with the BBC, where senior management knew of all of the accusations and the witnesses who saw at least Savile touching kids and left him to it. Yet RTE have never had a bad word for BBC management. Maybe they don't want to p1ss them off in case they want to take Tubridy off their hands.

Just listening to DriveTime there and they were reading more updates from the Justin McAleese Twitter feed. Won't be long before they have a section of the website devoted to his utterances.

WTF like, who is this yoke and his utterances.

Brendan Bendar · 20-08-2018 6:26pm

alan partridge aha wrote: »

WTF like, who is this yoke and his utterances.

Lad makes some good points,Alan

hotmail.com · 20-08-2018 6:42pm

anthonyjmaher wrote:

You could create an analogy with the BBC, where senior management knew of all of the accusations and the witnesses who saw at least Savile touching kids and left him to it. Yet RTE have never had a bad word for BBC management. Maybe they don't want to p1ss them off in case they want to take Tubridy off their hands.

anthonyjmaher wrote:

My point was not to make an analogy between RTE and the Church, but to point that there are child abusers everywhere. Listening to RTE you would think that child abusers only existed within the environs of the Church, yet RTE themselves had an abuser among their senior staff.

Gone all out bonkers today.

Brendan Bendar · 20-08-2018 6:57pm

hotmail.com wrote: »

Gone all out bonkers today.

What does posts like that actually achieve?

No sense

No opinion

Just chaff ?

Just trolling?

C’mon man you can do better than that eh?

hotmail.com · 20-08-2018 6:58pm

Brendan Bendar wrote:

What does posts like that actually achieve?

Perhaps the poster isn't aware of how bonkers his post sounded.

Brendan Bendar · 20-08-2018 6:59pm

hotmail.com wrote: »

Perhaps the poster isn't aware of how bonkers his post sounded.

Well then break the post down and rebut his arguments, man!

FrancieBrady · 20-08-2018 7:03pm

anthonyjmaher wrote: »

My point was not to make an analogy between RTE and the Church, but to point that there are child abusers everywhere. Listening to RTE you would think that child abusers only existed within the environs of the Church, yet RTE themselves had an abuser among their senior staff.

You could create an analogy with the BBC, where senior management knew of all of the accusations and the witnesses who saw at least Savile touching kids and left him to it. Yet RTE have never had a bad word for BBC management. Maybe they don't want to p1ss them off in case they want to take Tubridy off their hands.

Just listening to DriveTime there and they were reading more updates from the Justin McAleese Twitter feed. Won't be long before they have a section of the website devoted to his utterances.

RTE now at prime time in the schedule, a reverent programme on the pope's visit, if that is more to your taste.

hotmail.com · 20-08-2018 7:09pm

Brendan Bendar wrote:

Well then break the post down and rebut his arguments, man!

Not every post has to drill down on points with sensible debate! Sometimes a few words says it all.

Brendan Bendar · 20-08-2018 7:45pm

hotmail.com wrote: »

Not every post has to drill down on points with sensible debate! Sometimes a few words says it all.

Tell us what “few words says it all”

What words say what and what’s “it all”

What do they actually say, it would help a lot to explain that H.

anthonyjmaher · 25-08-2018 11:05am

Seems like the Pope has seen his first miracle on Irish soil - Marion Finucane is actually presenting her own show today.

jippo nolan · 25-08-2018 12:09pm

anthonyjmaher wrote: »

Seems like the Pope has seen his first miracle on Irish soil - Marion Finucane is actually presenting her own show today.

She wasn’t going to miss this “gig”

anthonyjmaher · 25-08-2018 12:21pm

Father Brian D'Arcy was abused by a priest - Is this his first time saying this?

alaimacerc · 25-08-2018 12:21pm

jippo nolan wrote: »

She wasn’t going to miss this “gig”

Obviously she's been lying down in a cool dark room someplace for the past month or so in anticipation of the very day!

batgoat · 25-08-2018 12:30pm

anthonyjmaher wrote: »

Father Brian D'Arcy was abused by a priest - Is this his first time saying this?

Nope, said it first a long time ago.

sligojoek · 25-08-2018 12:34pm

Dead air

anthonyjmaher · 25-08-2018 12:40pm

Why are Brian Cowan and Bertie Ahern there? That really annoys me.

FrancieBrady · 25-08-2018 12:53pm

:rolleyes::rolleyes:

anthonyjmaher wrote: »

Why are Brian Cowan and Bertie Ahern there? That really annoys me.

Maybe that is the sole reason - to annoy you?

anthonyjmaher · 25-08-2018 12:58pm

Marion is already in the taxi on the way to the airport. See you in another six weeks, Marion!

sligojoek · 25-08-2018 1:00pm

It's like one of those stupid clips Joe Duffy makes up. 2 or 3 things going on at the same time and you can't hear any of them.

alaimacerc · 25-08-2018 1:24pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Maybe that is the sole reason - to annoy you?

I think they managed significant economies of scale on that one.

hotmail.com · 25-08-2018 2:10pm

Tuned in her programme for a few minutes today. Was any of her panel under the age 55? No young person's perspective on religion in Ireland.

Itssoeasy · 25-08-2018 3:23pm

anthonyjmaher wrote: »

Why are Brian Cowan and Bertie Ahern there? That really annoys me.

Council of state as ex Taoiseasch.

Brendan Bendar · 25-08-2018 4:45pm

batgoat wrote: »

Nope, said it first a long time ago.

Lookit, there’s no one left in Ireland who wasn’t abused by a priest by the looks of things.

All wondering when the payout will come.

batgoat · 25-08-2018 4:51pm

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

Lookit, there’s no one left in Ireland who wasn’t abused by a priest by the looks of things.

All wondering when the payout will come.

Are you implying that these are all fictional accounts or are you simply belittling the large scale institutional abuse that occurred throughout the globe?

Effects · 25-08-2018 4:51pm

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

Lookit, there’s no one left in Ireland who wasn’t abused by a priest by the looks of things.

All wondering when the payout will come.

Nice victim blaming.

Effects · 25-08-2018 4:52pm

batgoat wrote: »

Are you implying that these are all fictional accounts or are you simply belittling the large scale institutional abuse that occurred throughout the globe?

"Sure lookit, it's in the past, it's time to move on"

Brendan Bendar · 25-08-2018 5:19pm

batgoat wrote: »

Are you implying that these are all fictional accounts or are you simply belittling the large scale institutional abuse that occurred throughout the globe?

No, I am not, but from the media reaction and exposure one could be forgiven for believing that almost everyone in this country was touched by a priest.

A bit of balance mightened go amiss.

A bit of restraint from the slavering media might put a more realistic cant on things.

Too many airheads and blowhards with vested issues getting listened to when the vast majority of our faith,whilst still not happy with things, understand that efforts are being made

batgoat · 25-08-2018 5:38pm

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

batgoat wrote: »

Are you implying that these are all fictional accounts or are you simply belittling the large scale institutional abuse that occurred throughout the globe?

No, I am not, but from the media reaction and exposure one could be forgiven for believing that almost everyone in this country was touched by a priest.

A bit of balance mightened go amiss.

A bit of restraint from the slavering media might put a more realistic cant on things.

Too many airheads and blowhards with vested issues getting listened to when the vast majority of our faith,whilst still not happy with things, understand that efforts are being made

Another massive scandal came out two weeks ago in spite of the church...

hotmail.com · 25-08-2018 5:38pm

Brendan Bendar wrote:

A bit of balance mightened go amiss.

How can you achieve balance when it comes to sexual abuse and it's cover up?

padd b1975 · 25-08-2018 7:10pm

hotmail.com wrote: »

Tuned in her programme for a few minutes today. Was any of her panel under the age 55? No young person's perspective on religion in Ireland.

They're all much too busy being edgy on Twitter and the Facebook comments section to bother with Marz.

jobbridge4life · 25-08-2018 7:32pm

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

No, I am not, but from the media reaction and exposure one could be forgiven for believing that almost everyone in this country was touched by a priest.

A bit of balance mightened go amiss.

A bit of restraint from the slavering media might put a more realistic cant on things.

Too many airheads and blowhards with vested issues getting listened to when the vast majority of our faith,whilst still not happy with things, understand that efforts are being made

1. What efforts? Specifically.

2. Efforts? At this late stage?

3. AND ABOVE ALL ELSE. The rape of children is not something to be balanced. It is something to be prosecuted without compunction.

Brendan Bendar · 25-08-2018 7:50pm

hotmail.com wrote: »

How can you achieve balance when it comes to sexual abuse and it's cover up?

That post has nothing to do with what I said, again you try to put words into my mouth.

alaimacerc · 25-08-2018 9:19pm

hotmail.com wrote: »

How can you achieve balance when it comes to sexual abuse and it's cover up?

By not talking about it so much, seemingly, according to the delicate bruised feels of some reactionary elements.

alaimacerc · 25-08-2018 9:22pm

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

Too many airheads and blowhards with vested issues getting listened to when the vast majority of our faith,whilst still not happy with things, understand that efforts are being made

Just to be clear, are you presuming here to speak for the former, or the latter?

yosser hughes · 26-08-2018 11:52am

Paddy Agnew's comments about a 'gay mafia' in the Vatican were interesting.

Callan57 · 26-08-2018 12:05pm

Didn't hear all that discussion but it appears to me the only way anything will change in the RC church will be when people keep their money in their pockets. It's all about money & power and sadly nothing else

Brendan Bendar · 26-08-2018 12:43pm

yosser hughes wrote: »

Paddy Agnew's comments about a 'gay mafia' in the Vatican were interesting.

Is he with the Irish Times or freelance now.

Strange sort of chap,in this posters opinion.

Ursus Horribilis · 26-08-2018 12:45pm

He's freelance now as far as I know. And didn't end his time with the Irish Times on good terms. https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/irish-times-in-court-fight-with-axed-reporter-plrhxpkm0

alaimacerc · 26-08-2018 12:46pm

Quite the proverbial airhead on at the moment. Feels especially Catholic now because she had a wanted child, and they lost the 8th amendment referendum?

alaimacerc · 26-08-2018 12:48pm

yosser hughes wrote: »

Paddy Agnew's comments about a 'gay mafia' in the Vatican were interesting.

Yeah. Hardly any surprise that not everyone in the curia is heterosexual, celibate, and strictly impartial in not favouring their friends. But bizarrely conspiratorial and loaded language.

Brendan Bendar · 26-08-2018 12:57pm

Ursus Horribilis wrote: »

He's freelance now as far as I know. And didn't end his time with the Irish Times on good terms. https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/irish-times-in-court-fight-with-axed-reporter-plrhxpkm0

Kind of gathered that, probably reached 65 or whatever and wouldn’t let go the soup tureen, now that’s just my opinion, know nothing about the lads background other than his largely stop start stacatto reports over the years.

Lovely lad I’m sure.

hotmail.com · 26-08-2018 1:10pm

Brendan Bendar wrote:

That post has nothing to do with what I said, again you try to put words into my mouth.

What did you mean then?

Brendan Bendar · 26-08-2018 1:39pm

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

No, I am not, but from the media reaction and exposure one could be forgiven for believing that almost everyone in this country was touched by a priest.

A bit of balance mightened go amiss.

A bit of restraint from the slavering media might put a more realistic cant on things.

Too many airheads and blowhards with vested issues getting listened to when the vast majority of our faith,whilst still not happy with things, understand that efforts are being made

hotmail.com wrote: »

What did you mean then?

Read the post, big man, it’s self explanatory.

C’mon keep up.

alaimacerc · 26-08-2018 1:45pm

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

Read the post, big man, it’s self explanatory.

Indeed.

Your error here is imagining that it's also plausibly deniable.

batgoat · 26-08-2018 1:46pm

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

No, I am not, but from the media reaction and exposure one could be forgiven for believing that almost everyone in this country was touched by a priest.

A bit of balance mightened go amiss.

A bit of restraint from the slavering media might put a more realistic cant on things.

Too many airheads and blowhards with vested issues getting listened to when the vast majority of our faith,whilst still not happy with things, understand that efforts are being made

hotmail.com wrote: »

What did you mean then?

Read the post, big man, it’s self explanatory.

C’mon keep up.

Yep, you attempted to cheapen the fact abuse is being discussed... The reality is a lot of people in this country have been abused by the clergy. One hundred cases a week are reported to one in four at the moment. That's increased because of visit. Before the average was 30. So yes, a lot of people in Ireland were abused.

Brendan Bendar · 26-08-2018 2:14pm

batgoat wrote: »

Yep, you attempted to cheapen the fact abuse is being discussed... The reality is a lot of people in this country have been abused by the clergy. One hundred cases a week are reported to one in four at the moment. That's increased because of visit. Before the average was 30. So yes, a lot of people in Ireland were abused.

I attempted nothing of the kind.

What I attempted was to dis the popular media opinion the a huge percentage of the clergy were involved in abuse of one kind or another.

There was a hard core, a rump who indulged in that despicable practice, but implying that a large percentage were involved is pure backwardness.

That is not true,buddy, and you know that.

FrancieBrady · 26-08-2018 2:22pm

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

I attempted nothing of the kind.

What I attempted was to dis the popular media opinion the a huge percentage of the clergy were involved in abuse of one kind or another.

There was a hard core, a rump who indulged in that despicable practice, but implying that a large percentage were involved is pure backwardness.

That is not true,buddy, and you know that.

What media opinion says that a 'huge percentage of the clergy were involved in abuse'? Can you link to one?

I haven't heard anyone, even victims, claim that Brendy.

batgoat · 26-08-2018 2:26pm

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

batgoat wrote: »

Yep, you attempted to cheapen the fact abuse is being discussed... The reality is a lot of people in this country have been abused by the clergy. One hundred cases a week are reported to one in four at the moment. That's increased because of visit. Before the average was 30. So yes, a lot of people in Ireland were abused.

I attempted nothing of the kind.

What I attempted was to dis the popular media opinion the a huge percentage of the clergy were involved in abuse of one kind or another.

There was a hard core, a rump who indulged in that despicable practice, but implying that a large percentage were involved is pure backwardness.

That is not true,buddy, and you know that.

The top of the hierarchy organised a global cover up... That seems like a far bigger issue, you cannot be confident that the church will actually report abuse when it becomes known to them. And I do think there's a level of apologism when you ignore this or complain that it's being discussed.

hotmail.com · 26-08-2018 2:35pm

Brendan Bendar wrote:

What I attempted was to dis the popular media opinion the a huge percentage of the clergy were involved in abuse of one kind or another.

Brendan Bendar wrote:

There was a hard core, a rump who indulged in that despicable practice, but implying that a large percentage were involved is pure backwardness.

Nonsense. Whenever the issue of abuse is brought up, people always mention that there is good people in the Church.

batgoat · 26-08-2018 2:38pm

hotmail.com wrote: »

Brendan Bendar wrote:

What I attempted was to dis the popular media opinion the a huge percentage of the clergy were involved in abuse of one kind or another.

Brendan Bendar wrote:

There was a hard core, a rump who indulged in that despicable practice, but implying that a large percentage were involved is pure backwardness.

Nonsense. Whenever the issue of abuse is brought up, people always mention that there is good people in the Church.

I would say the criticism are primarily directed at apologists and the upper hierarchy of the organisation.

Marian Finucane

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