A new political party registering in a few weeks

IrishTonyO

There is a new political party registering in a few weeks. It is backed mainly by ex Green party member.

"Backed largely by former members of the Green Party, the new grouping said it will be concerned with issues like transparency in politics, use of the State’s natural resources, environmental issues and care for the less well off."

Looks like this will definitely be the end of Gormley's Greens,

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2010/0628/1224273468181.html

dlofnep

So basically, Greens 2.0

Owen

Great. That's all we need. More communists telling us the cars we have to drive, and the sacrifices we have to make.

Cookie_Monster

The Turquoise Party?

Het-Field

This is the Fruitcake Wing of the Greens returning from the dead. They have left behind the wing that will be electorally toxic at the next election

Biggins

PaintDoctor wrote: »

Great. That's all we need. More communists telling us the cars we have to drive, and the sacrifices we have to make.

I'm sorry but why you have to be a communist to have "green" concerns!

That's a totally stupid remark and shows ones very little understanding of the issues and appreciation of those involved, more often than not with those on ground level doing great local work!

Totally mindless, false tainting remark!

Bottle_of_Smoke

Please let them call it The Continuity Green Party

IrishTonyO

Fís Nua or New Vision, is the name

Owen

Biggins wrote: »

I'm sorry but why you have to be a communist to have "green" concerns!

That's a totally stupid remark and shows ones very little understanding of the issues and appreciation of those involved, more often than not with those on ground level doing great local work!

Totally mindless, false tainting remark!

Under communism, people were told what to do. Under the Green party's manifesto, we'll be told what to do again. And if you want to do something different, you get taxed through the hilt for it. At the moment, if someone in this country wants to buy a Mazda RX-8, they can't do it, because some lunatic tree hugging hippy decided it wasn't what he'd like on our roads so he slapped it with the highest rate of VRT, and the highest rate of road tax at 2000 Euro. This is the same car which you could tax for buttons before the Greens got a hold of any power. And it's just one example!

To paraphrase Dara O'Briain, I'd get a big sack, put the Green Party, Homeopaths, Priests, and quacks in general inside, tie the top of the sack, get a big stick and beat it around the place not caring less who got the worst of it.

bryanw

Biggins wrote: »

I'm sorry but why you have to be a communist to have "green" concerns!

That's a totally stupid remark and shows ones very little understanding of the issues and appreciation of those involved, more often than not with those on ground level doing great local work!

Totally mindless, false tainting remark!

It's not an unfounded remark. The Greens support redistribution of wealth from rich countries to poor countries in the name of a "carbon debt". There are also people (in international circles) who make no bones about the fact that they are socialist/communist. Just look at the types that the environmental summits attract. And if this lot are a "back to basics" Green party, they most certainly could be labelled as such, looking back at the old election literature of the Green Alliance and the early Green Party. The only reason the Green Party gained support is because they moderated their views.

IrishTonyO

PaintDoctor wrote: »

Under communism, people were told what to do. Under the Green party's manifesto, we'll be told what to do again. And if you want to do something different, you get taxed through the hilt for it. At the moment, if someone in this country wants to buy a Mazda RX-8, they can't do it, because some lunatic tree hugging hippy decided it wasn't what he'd like on our roads so he slapped it with the highest rate of VRT, and the highest rate of road tax at 2000 Euro. This is the same car which you could tax for buttons before the Greens got a hold of any power. And it's just one example!

To paraphrase Dara O'Briain, I'd get a big sack, put the Green Party, Homeopaths, Priests, and quacks in general inside, tie the top of the sack, get a big stick and beat it around the place not caring less who got the worst of it.

This thread is not about the Green Party, maybe you misread it

Biggins

PaintDoctor wrote: »

Under communism, people were told what to do. Under the Green party's manifesto, we'll be told what to do again. And if you want to do something different, you get taxed through the hilt for it. At the moment, if someone in this country wants to buy a Mazda RX-8, they can't do it, because some lunatic tree hugging hippy decided it wasn't what he'd like on our roads so he slapped it with the highest rate of VRT, and the highest rate of road tax at 2000 Euro. This is the same car which you could tax for buttons before the Greens got a hold of any power. And it's just one example!

To paraphrase Dara O'Briain, I'd get a big sack, put the Green Party, Homeopaths, Priests, and quacks in general inside, tie the top of the sack, get a big stick and beat it around the place not caring less who got the worst of it.

bryanw wrote: »

It's not an unfounded remark. The Greens support redistribution of wealth from rich countries to poor countries in the name of a "carbon debt". There are also people (in international circles) who make no bones about the fact that they are socialist/communist. Just look at the types that the environmental summits attract. And if this lot are a "back to basics" Green party, they most certainly could be labelled as such, looking back at their own election literature of the Green Alliance and the early Green Party. The only reason the Green Party gained support is because the moderated their views.

I'm NOT speaking about these people with their agendas.

I'm speaking of ordinary people with green concerns as well as other local/national issues.

The previous remark was: "Great. That's all we need. More communists telling us the cars we have to drive, and the sacrifices we have to make."

...So anyone that gets involved with "green" issues is a communist from the outset?

The_Minister

Biggins wrote: »

I'm NOT speaking about these people with their agendas.

I'm speaking of ordinary people with green concerns as well as other local/national issues.

The previous remark was: "Great. That's all we need. More communists telling us the cars we have to drive, and the sacrifices we have to make."

...So anyone that gets involved with "green" issues is a communist from the outset?

Nope, but this is the Patricia McKenna looney-bin Green-set.
This is the Greens who want to ban meat-eating and send everyone back to the countryside.
These people are communists at best.

mike65

So if it is a green type party where the hell are they going to get their votes from?

Biggins

The_Minister wrote: »

Nope, but this is the Patricia McKenna looney-bin Green-set.
This is the Greens who want to ban meat-eating and send everyone back to the countryside.
These people are communists at best.

Thats fair enough but the poster of the original remark should have been more cleared by saying to whom he/she was referring to more so.
Thats all. Moving on...

sensibleken

I don't think people here know what a communist is. Just because someone tells you what to do does not make them a communist. I think you'll find most laws tell you what to do.

Biggins

sensibleken wrote: »

I don't think people here know what a communist is. Just because someone tells you what to do does not make them a communist. I think you'll find most laws tell you what to do.

Under Gormley and Cowen with their legal changes, thats very true!

snollup

I cannot understand all this socialist bashing when we see the total mess that capitalism has made of things.

mike65

The difference is that you will always be poorer under socialist rule. anyway thats a seperate thread. I just want to know who is deluded enough to try to start a new left/green party right now. Labour are (rightly or wrongly) seeing their support grow steadily and the Greens are toast in waiting. A new party if it succeeded would surely split the vote. That said if McKenna is informing the "soul" of this new party then it'll be a total failure. "Corrib Politics" works for students and Provos, no-one else really gives a toss.

The_Minister

snollup wrote: »

I cannot understand all this socialist bashing when we see the total mess that capitalism has made of things.

Socialism is an economic and political philosophy; Capitalism is just an economic philosophy.

The recent crisis is a result of failures in regulation and the application of laws - a political failure.

bryanw

snollup wrote: »

I cannot understand all this socialist bashing when we see the total mess that capitalism has made of things.

It's wrong to say that capitalism has made a mess of things. We have not lived under capitalism, so this means nothing. We've had a sort of a quasi-capitalist-socialist system, where depending on who you are, you live under socialism, capitalism, or a mixture of both depending on what you want to do.

Biggins wrote:

I'm NOT speaking about these people with their agendas.

I'm speaking of ordinary people with green concerns as well as other local/national issues.

The previous remark was: "Great. That's all we need. More communists telling us the cars we have to drive, and the sacrifices we have to make."

...So anyone that gets involved with "green" issues is a communist from the outset?

Of course it is not the case that people concerned about Green issues are necessarily socialists, but from the reading of the article and the types and figures who seem to be involved, they are close enough. Again... look at previous policies. And things like ultra animal rights are espoused by both the Greens and the Socialist Party a la Claire Daly. Again, those who are pro animal rights are not necessarily socialist, but these groups do attract socialists. Lots of them.

Cookie_Monster

The Biggins party

Biggins

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

The Biggins party

The English version of that is the Monster Raving Looney Party. :pac:

johngalway

Someone start a party that makes Patricia McKenna GO AWAY and I'll vote for ya.

WalterMitty

I want a party and i think a lot of People want a party that have liberal economic and liberal social views and be anti corruption/nepotism/cronyism in Irish politics

nesf

IrishTonyO wrote: »

An Fís Nua or A New Vision, is the name

Should be An Fhís Nua...

What a wonderful start for the party...

astrofool

snollup wrote: »

I cannot understand all this socialist bashing when we see the total mess that capitalism has made of things.

The bail out of the banks and massive growth in public service and social welfare spending, which got us into this mess, are not what you would call capitalist policies.

oscarBravo

nesf wrote: »

Should be An Fhís Nua...

...or simply "Fís Nua", without the definite article, which would probably make more sense anyway.

And anything that involves Patricia McKenna is never going to get any support from me.

The_Minister

WalterMitty wrote: »

I want a party and i think a lot of People want a party that have liberal economic and liberal social views and be anti corruption/nepotism/cronyism in Irish politics

No-one would vote for one

bijapos

oscarBravo wrote: »

...or simply "Fís Nua", without the definite article, which would probably make more sense anyway.

And anything that involves Patricia McKenna is never going to get any support from me.

Fis Nua is the name, maybe An Fis Nua was a typo.

Either way seems the website is up and running www.fisnua.com

imme

They look like Extreme Green.

I welcome their setting up, it adds to the political realm.
I can't understand why some people on here are so virulantly oposed to them, the hatred and animosity are almost disturbing.

Let them set up if they want, they'll elect a few councillors, if even, and that might be about it.