Thoughts please - 220 Swift

Yawlboy

I've been offered a good deal (I think) on a Remington 700 VS in 220 Swift. This is the heavy barrel Varmint model. It has a bipod, Burris scope, case and a spare stock.

Owner claims about 20 rounds through it and it is in perfect condition, dealer he has it with agrees. I was told the whole package was over €1800 in 2007, what do people on here think its worth?

I have access to over 100 acres to shoot on and I have use of a .22 rimfire when I want, so I really only want this to do some long range shooting and possibly some varmint hunting.

kay 9

Fine varmint rifle. Super flat trajectory. I'd have a wild guess and say its worth about 1150 now depending on condition and scope mag and what breed of bipod. 1100-1200 if it's only fired 20 rounds. Hard believe that though but one never knows I think you mean it's the vlss model? If there is an aftermarket stock on it which by the sounds of it there is, then it an be worth more. Can you give more details on the stocks supplied with it?

Yawlboy

Thanks for the quick feedback. Its not an SS model i.e. its not Stainless Steel.

I'm going back on sat to complete the license application and I'll get the other details on the stock etc.

vixdname

I had a .220 swift (Ruger) and found it a great rifle, the only downside was the price of the rounds for it, they were about €36 - €40 for a 20 box. Bit pricey when you consider that .223 rounds range from €12 up depending on what brand you want. Overall though if you like the rifle just get it and enjoy it..feck the exta few bob on rounds !!!

rugerman

Yawlboy wrote: »

Thanks for the quick feedback. Its not an SS model i.e. its not Stainless Steel.

I'm going back on sat to complete the license application and I'll get the other details on the stock etc.

have u tought about the 204 ruger better gun altoghter i think had both and think the 204 is flatter and has the distance :rolleyes:

FISMA

The 220 Swift used to be known as a barrel burner. However, with today's metallurgy that really isn't a problem.

If I were you I would price the 700 in 223. I just purchased the 700 in 223 and got a great deal on it. I went with the 223 mostly because the ammo is cheaper.

If you are getting the Swift for a deal, then go with it. The Swift is faster than the 223. It gets downrange sooner, hence the term - flatter trajectory.

All bullets fall at the same rate. Faster bullets get downrange before they fall too much.

Also, check out the price of the swift, it will be more than the 223, see if it fits your budget.

I do believe the swift is a better round (tighter groups), however, I cannot back that up. Perhaps, someone with some data will provide.

Finally, are you new to shooting? Do you plan on shooting a lot? Would you consider it a dream or a chore to put a thousand rounds downrange?

A deal is a deal. You cannot go wrong with the Remington 700, in any caliber.

What Burris Scope did you get?

Slan

bunny shooter

Some Supers are reluctant to give out Swifts. Excellent calibre for foxes. Ammo bit pricey. 204 Ruger a good alternative

rugerman

Yawlboy wrote: »

I've been offered a good deal (I think) on a Remington 700 VS in 220 Swift. This is the heavy barrel Varmint model. It has a bipod, Burris scope, case and a spare stock.

Owner claims about 20 rounds through it and it is in perfect condition, dealer he has it with agrees. I was told the whole package was over €1800 in 2007, what do people on here think its worth?

I have access to over 100 acres to shoot on and I have use of a .22 rimfire when I want, so I really only want this to do some long range shooting and possibly some varmint hunting.

dont even think about payin that much rem 700 223 as new 600 decent scope around 300 save 900euros

oats 2

wouldnt advise this purchase.ammo way 2 expensive
an also gun seems expensive.
had a swift couple years ago,great gun to kill but
think too powerful for foxs.seemed hard to keep it zeroed
after couple years dunno why.
recently bought a.223 ..excellent gun.have a silencer
an a zeiss scope.can't remember exactly the price but
worth looking into.
also swift very loud an heavy.

best of luck anyway

Yawlboy

Well I've submitted my license application - fingers crossed. I decided that the deal I got was too good to turn down. Now I just need to see if I can use it properly.

One other thing the scope is a Bushnell Banner 6-18x50 not a Burris. Not sure what the stock is exactly but it is a lot nicer than the one that came with it originally.

Yawlboy

License request submitted on the 7/7 approved on the 8/8 - sent it off today.

It wasn't me!

Yawlboy wrote: »

License request submitted on the 7/7 approved on the 8/8 - sent it off today.

Congrats. You'll enjoy it. The swift is a cartridge on its way out in terms of production, but it's still an absolute cracker. The king of the .22 centrefires.

bunny shooter

It wasn't me! wrote: »

........The swift is a cartridge on its way out in terms of production........

That rumour has been doing the rounds since the Swift was first produced :rolleyes:

It wasn't me!

bunny shooter wrote: »

That rumour has been doing the rounds since the Swift was first produced :rolleyes:

Well, no, there are now fewer rifles being chambered in it and fewer loads generally available, but it'll be a long while before it becomes obsolete. Frankly, until a cartridge comes along in the mainstream which beats it for velocity and accuracy, it'll remain king. It's just a bit specialist and a bit special as a result. A niche chambering, like my own .25-06.

Tackleberrywho

It wasn't me! wrote: »

Well, no, there are now fewer rifles being chambered in it and fewer loads generally available, but it'll be a long while before it becomes obsolete. Frankly, until a cartridge comes along in the mainstream which beats it for velocity and accuracy, it'll remain king. It's just a bit specialist and a bit special as a result. A niche chambering, like my own .25-06.

http://www.remington.com/~/link.aspx?_id=868530152D1D491C8283E469E44654A8&_z=z

For the wet evening that is in it.
Good Vid IMHO

dwighet

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lb78jqWOM9g

It wasn't me!

dwighet wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lb78jqWOM9g

Love those videos.

bunny shooter

Federal, Hornady & Winchester are all currently making ammo for it :cool: I'm using Federal Premium 52 grain loads at the moment and they are simply awesome as CliveJ will vouch for :P:)

Your right there are less manufacturers making rifles for it now though

It wasn't me!

bunny shooter wrote: »

Federal, Hornady & Winchester are all currently making ammo for it :cool: I'm using Federal Premium 52 grain loads at the moment and they are simply awesome as CliveJ will vouch for :P:)

Your right there are less manufacturers making rifles for it now though

It's a shame, as it's a cracking old round and really was a big ground-breaker when it was introduced. Unfortunately, people are moving away from big, powder-hungry cases for that sort of job. Both the swift and the .22-250 suffer from the fact that being so fast and so powerful, they're way more than is required for the animals that are commonly shot with them, while not being deer cartridges. Using them for vermin is a novelty, rather than a necessity, and so people tend not to do it, which is a shame, as it's cartridges like the swift and the .270 Win and similar rounds that pushed the boundaries way out at their introduction which mean we have the range of interesting rounds we have today. Frankly, it's difficult to see much of the stuff introduced recently having much staying power over the next twenty years or so, let alone fifty plus. Maybe I'm wrong though, but the current trend of cartridge design that only seeks to emulate already existing cartridges in a different package (usually smaller cases, shorter actions, such as the various Ruger versions of the .375 and .416, their Compact Magnums, the Winchester Short Magnums and the like) isn't exactly innovative.

tac foley

It wasn't me! wrote: »

A niche chambering, like my own .25-06.

I've got both and shoot both at the same small, furry pest.

My .220 Swift is a pre-1964 Winchester Model 70 with a heavy barrel [still the same one it had when it was made in 1952], and I make my own ammunition for it.

It's just as loud as the .25-06, BTW.

tac

Tackleberrywho

tac foley wrote: »

I've got both and shoot both at the same small, furry pest.

My .220 Swift is a pre-1964 Winchester Model 70 with a heavy barrel [still the same one it had when it was made in 1952], and I make my own ammunition for it.

It's just as loud as the .25-06, BTW.

tac

It is surely!

Perhaps Bunnyshooter should try the HPS/Intershoot route?


Get the best of Both Worlds

bunny shooter

Tackleberrywho wrote: »

It is surely!

Perhaps Bunnyshooter should try the HPS/Intershoot route?


Get the best of Both Worlds

I had the feelers out must chase him on it

Tackleberrywho

bunny shooter wrote: »

I had the feelers out must chase him on it

Hard man to catch.

I'm still awaiting news of my .223' and .308's

I could be doing a John galway next and buying another brand and making do!

Spannerman7

I got one and would not swap it for the world, ok rounds are expensive, but I use the .17HMR on bunnies, can you tell I like fast, I've shot .17,.22,220 swift, 243, 30-06, and in a previous life 5.76,L7A2 7.62gpmg,20 cannon and twin 30mm anti-aircraft cannons. But the swift I shall never part with

johngalway

Tackleberrywho wrote: »

Hard man to catch.

I'm still awaiting news of my .223' and .308's

I could be doing a John galway next and buying another brand and making do!

Consistency of supply is important. I'm not liking the delay news TBH. I'm sure dealers have their own problems with supply but it's nice to be kept in the loop too.

Tackleberrywho

johngalway wrote: »

Consistency of supply is important. I'm not liking the delay news TBH. I'm sure dealers have their own problems with supply but it's nice to be kept in the loop too.

Just Got off the phone with Super sam. I'm collecting .308 next week I have to drive to the black North :eek:

The .223's will be the week after. Although since they are almost the same price and the deer season is almost upon us I'm kinda Glad I have the .308's first