Lance Armstrong

mloc123

So 2011 will be an ironman centric year for him... Will be interested to see how he gets on. His straight marathon time was well off what amateurs would do off the bike.

dave2pvd

mloc123 wrote: »

So 2011 will be an ironman centric year for him... Will be interested to see how he gets on. His straight marathon time was well off what amateurs would do off the bike.

I disagree. 2:46 is a very respectable time.

jwshooter

Some of you guys know a lot about taking performance enhancing drugs , how not to get tested how not to fail that test .

how to beat the system .

do the same guys hold cycling ireland race licences ?.

blorg

I only take drugs for recreational events, commuting, touring, that sort of thing. Never in a CI-sanctioned event.

Harrybelafonte

jwshooter wrote: »

Some of you guys know a lot about taking performance enhancing drugs , how not to get tested how not to fail that test .

how to beat the system .

do the same guys hold cycling ireland race licences ?.

I'm beginning to see why you love Armstrong so much, you think exactly like him. Can't defend yourself? Start throwing accusations around!

dave2pvd

jwshooter wrote: »

Some of you guys know a lot about taking performance enhancing drugs , how not to get tested how not to fail that test .

how to beat the system .

do the same guys hold cycling ireland race licences ?.

Times two for that.

sxt

dave2pvd wrote: »

Sorry, jw, I'm not going to respond to that. This topic has been discussed ad nauseum on this forum and on countless others. If you want an education on the subject, use the search feature. It's free. My time is not.

Seeing as you are claiming to know alot about doping, can you educate me, out of the other recent tour de france winners of the last 30 years, who else was doping?

Alberto Contador
Carlos Sastre
Óscar Pereiro
Marco Pantani
Jan Ullrich
Bjarne Riis
Miguel Indurain
Greg LeMond
Pedro Delgado
Stepehn Roche
Bernard Hinault
Laurent Fignon
Joop Zoetemelk

RobFowl

Greg LeMond wasn't

sxt wrote: »

Seeing as you are claiming to know alot about doping, can you educate me, out of the other recent tour de france winners of the last 30 years, who else was doping?

Alberto Contador
Carlos Sastre
Óscar Pereiro
Marco Pantani
Jan Ullrich
Bjarne Riis
Miguel Indurain
Greg LeMond
Pedro Delgado
Stepehn Roche
Bernard Hinault
Laurent Fignon
Joop Zoetemelk

RobFowl

Harrybelafonte wrote: »

I'm beginning to see why you love Armstrong so much, you think exactly like him. Can't defend yourself? Start throwing accusations around!

Cancer lover

dave2pvd

sxt wrote: »

Seeing as:

(A) you are claiming to know alot about doping
(B) can you educate me...?

(A) I am?

(B) Sure. I'll send you my fee schedule.

mloc123

dave2pvd wrote: »

I disagree. 2:46 is a very respectable time.

My mistake, thought 3 hrs was his best for a straight marthon.

Dizraeligears

Wall St Journal have something comin this weekend which could be interesting

sxt

Dizraeligears wrote: »

Wall St Journal have something comin this weekend which could be interesting

It is going to be a disgraced Floyd Landis "exclusive"
. The world will shudder.

http://blogs.sfweekly.com/thesnitch/2010/07/wsj_to_spoil_lance_armstrongs.php

Slideshowbob

hahahaha

LA's bessie mate - Robin Williams has just spent last 10mins on Jonathan Ross discussing his experiences with recreational drugs.

How ironical.

Betcha Robin is in Europe to support Lancie boy.

BTW looking at some tweets some people reckon LA won't make it as far as France in this years Tour

sxt

Slideshowbob wrote: »

hahahaha

LA's bessie mate - Robin Williams has just spent last 10mins on Jonathan Ross discussing his experiences with recreational drugs.

How ironical.

Betcha Robin is in Europe to support Lancie boy.

BTW looking at some tweets some people reckon LA won't make it as far as France in this years Tour

Hahaha good attempt at veiled trolling

Slideshowbob

sxt wrote: »

Hahaha good attempt at veiled trolling

What's veiled trolling?

sxt

Slideshowbob wrote: »

What's veiled trolling?

okay , i will be more vulgar,your are troll, go away

Slideshowbob

No need for the personal insult

The thread topic is Lance Armstrong - it's the eve of the TDF!

Keep your hair on - we all have our problems!

RobFowl

Watching Robin Williams and he was quite funny about his drug abuse.

I've also heard, and I believe it was on cycling news or cycling weekly that he might withdraw before the race enters France.

RobFowl

"My Lance Armstrong prediction? Either he will not start or he will pull out just before the race enters France. I have a feeling that the world of cycling is about to change for the better."

http://www.cyclingnews.com/blogs/greg-lemond/the-art-of-peaking-for-the-tour-de-france-1

There you go......

Slideshowbob

sxt wrote: »

There were girls with wicker basket bicycles ,dublin city bikes , clowns on unicycles, people wearing suits cycling ,young people and old people .He got all types of people that would not normally have ridden together in their hundreds to come out and spend a couple of hours enjoying a cycle

They were all there cos they thought they'd get on Xpose. Some had never ridden a bike before in their lives.

PS - Covered wicker baskets could hide silent engines - leading to the increasing popularity of mechanised doping!!

DualFrontDiscs

Slideshowbob wrote: »

They were all there cos they thought they'd get on Xpose.

We got into The Examiner, so box ticked

Harrybelafonte

sxt wrote: »

It is going to be a disgraced Floyd Landis "exclusive"
. The world will shudder.

http://blogs.sfweekly.com/thesnitch/2010/07/wsj_to_spoil_lance_armstrongs.php

Ah look, the ignore button

cm2000

Does everyone who thinks that Lance is the most successful doper of all time also think Contador dopes?

Contador won his tours under the guidance of Johan Bruyneel, who Landis accuses of systematic doping of his teams..

Also why do people think Landis did not test positive until he left Postal?

Slideshowbob

cm2000 wrote: »

Does everyone who thinks that Lance is the most successful doper of all time also think Contador dopes?

Contador won his tours under the guidance of Johan Bruyneel, who Landis accuses of systematic doping of his teams..

Also why do people think Landis not test positive until he left Postal?

Remember AC generally just goes about riding his bike fast and promoting Specialized bikes.

Lance-boy decided to set up a worldwide organisation promoting clean living and all that .........

Heck - there's even a Tyler Hamiliton Foundation if u r into it

cm2000

Slideshowbob wrote: »

Remember AC generally just goes about riding his bike fast and promoting Specialized bikes.

Lance-boy decided to set up a worldwide organisation promoting clean living and all that .........

Heck - there's even a Tyler Hamiliton Foundation if u r into it

But do you think Contador doped under Johan Bruyneel? surely if he systematically dopes his teams then he would have doped Contador?

Also regarding Landis, why, if he was doping all along with Postal, did he not dramatically improve his Tour results until he left Postal?

All genuine questions as I feel too many people here present the Landis allegations as fact

sxt

Slideshowbob wrote: »

Remember AC generally just goes about riding his bike fast and promoting Specialized bikes.

Lance-boy decided to set up a worldwide organisation promoting clean living and all that .........

Heck - there's even a Tyler Hamiliton Foundation if u r into it

He has raised a 3rd of a billion towards fighting cancer, are you going to give him grief for raising funds against a disease that some people on this forum may be directely or indirectly effected by. Give the guy some respect .Stop jumping on the popular band wagon ,thinking you are smug and in know of all of what is important in life

Slideshowbob

cm2000 wrote: »

But do you think Contador doped under Johan Bruyneel? surely if he systematically dopes his teams then he would have doped Contador?

Also regarding Landis, why, if he was doping all along with Postal, did he not dramatically improve his Tour results until he left Postal?

All genuine questions as I feel too many people here present the Landis allegations as fact

For what it's worth:

Yes.

Probably.

Maybe he was acting as domestique with Postal!?

Slideshowbob

sxt wrote: »

He has raised a 3rd of a billion towards fighting cancer, are you going to give him grief for raising funds against a disease that some people on this forum may be directely or indirectly effected by. Give the guy some respect .Stop jumping on the popular band wagon ,thinking you are smug and in know of all of what is important in life

Sure ain't Lance nearly as famous as whoever set up for Irish Cancer Society - they do good too !!

Ya I'll give him grief - you getting a cut of yellow bands coming into Ireland?!?

I ain't got alot of respect for him - the way he treated Simoni etc and tried to downgrade Alberto's image last year. He is a bully.

This thread ain't about me it about Lance

cm2000

Even as a Domestique, it's difficult to ignore the fact that his results improved from 61st, 77th and 23rd overall at Postal to 9th and 1st once he left..

I just think people should not necessarily take everything this guy who failed tests as fact while dismissing Lance, who has never failed a test that we know of for sure, as a liar and a cheat.

sxt

Slideshowbob wrote: »

Sure ain't Lance nearly as famous as whoever set up for Irish Cancer Society - they do good too !!

Ya I'll give him grief - you getting a cut of yellow bands coming into Ireland?!?

I ain't got alot of respect for him - the way he treated Simoni etc and tried to downgrade Alberto's image last year. He is a bully.

This thread ain't about me it about Lance

Me, getting a cut from the sale of yellow bands?...You are a sick Bastard , if you ever see one of your loved ones dying form cancer... you might change your tune :rolleyes:

Lumen

sxt wrote: »

Me, getting a cut from the sale of yellow bands?...You are a sick Bastard , if you ever see one of your loved ones dying form cancer... you might change your tune :rolleyes:

Cut the sanctimonious crap, and the personal abuse.

Cancer kills something like one in three. Most adults see a loved one die from cancer, including a proportion of people criticising Lance on this thread.

You're acting like a cookie-cut Lancefan, conflating the issues. Lance raises money for cancer - this is good. Lance has done other things, which many people think are bad. Are you not capable of separating the two behaviours and assessing them independently?

jwshooter

planet armstromg on how

SubLuminal

Genuinely I don't care at all if he doped. I don't think he did anyway. But if he did, everyone does/did. I also think that to win the TdF you have to be an astounding athlete, better than anyone else, and also dope. Because everyone else is. The whole system is ****ed, admittedly, but you can't say he won because he doped, when everyone else doped too - you can only say he didn't lose because he didn't not dope.

Anyway sorry guys but I rate him highly.

ednwireland

Slideshowbob wrote: »

BTW looking at some tweets some people reckon LA won't make it as far as France in this years Tour

think lemond started that rumour (quoted earlier)

http://www.cyclingnews.com/blogs/greg-lemond/the-art-of-peaking-for-the-tour-de-france

My Lance Armstrong prediction? Either he will not start or he will pull out just before the race enters France. I have a feeling that the world of cycling is about to change for the better.

is lemond getting more bitter an twisted by the year that trek thing must have rally p***ed him off

Chips Lovell

ednwireland wrote: »

is lemond getting more bitter an twisted by the year that trek thing must have rally p***ed him off

I think he knew this was coming

Lumen

SubLuminal wrote: »

Genuinely I don't care at all if he doped. I don't think he did anyway. But if he did, everyone does/did.

I don't understand how you can have that attitude if you care about cycling and cyclists.

You're saying that if Lance doped, then everyone else does and did? Everyone? What about the cyclists who quit because they didn't want to dope? Or those who competed clean and didn't get top results but persisted anyway? What about cyclists starting out their career now, looking for role models? You want to destroy their hope of competing clean because your hero's legacy is tainted?

RobFowl

sxt wrote: »

He has raised a 3rd of a billion towards fighting cancer, are you going to give him grief for raising funds against a disease that some people on this forum may be directely or indirectly effected by. Give the guy some respect .Stop jumping on the popular band wagon ,thinking you are smug and in know of all of what is important in life

sxt I watched my father die slowly and painfully from cancer.

Twerps like you using this issue to deflect criticism from LA is beneath contempt.

And by the way you're the first and probably last person I'm going to use the ignore button on.

sxt

Lumen wrote: »

Cut the sanctimonious crap, and the personal abuse.

Cancer kills something like one in three. Most adults see a loved one die from cancer, including a proportion of people criticising Lance on this thread.

You're acting like a cookie-cut Lancefan, conflating the issues. Lance raises money for cancer - this is good. Lance has done other things, which many people think are bad. Are you not capable of separating the two behaviours and assessing them independently?

I think it goes a bit beyond criticism. It is a hearsay ,innuendo driven character assassination...

Chips Lovell

cm2000 wrote: »

Even as a Domestique, it's difficult to ignore the fact that his results improved from 61st, 77th and 23rd overall at Postal to 9th and 1st once he left..

As a domestique it's not your job to place highly. Your job is to help your team leader place highly.

SubLuminal wrote: »

Genuinely I don't care at all if he doped. I don't think he did anyway. But if he did, everyone does/did. I also think that to win the TdF you have to be an astounding athlete, better than anyone else, and also dope. Because everyone else is. The whole system is ****ed, admittedly, but you can't say he won because he doped, when everyone else doped too - you can only say he didn't lose because he didn't not dope.

Anyway sorry guys but I rate him highly.

It's a bogus argument. Even if everyone is doping, it doesn't level the playing field. Some riders benefit from it more than others. Some can afford better programmes than others. Some are willing to take far more risks with their health than others.

ROK ON

The man organised that his team gobbed on a cyclist who had 'fessed up. They chased every break he was in and then spat on him.
He is trailer trash scum.
The doping at this stage is the least of his character flaws.
The bullying, intimidation, alleged fraud are far worse.
He does what it takes to get results just like fellow Texans Enron.
There is being competitive to be successful and there is the blind lust for success at any conceivable cost. I believe he always opts for the latter route.

Many folk raise funds for charity - but some of his fundraising seems to be for personal gain (.org v .com).
Just like the fact that a lot of bad people practice at church on a Sunday - it means nothing.

Hermy

SubLuminal wrote: »

...everyone else doped too...

No they didn't!