Arsenal FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 10/11

Fuzzy_Dunlop

Quazzie wrote: »

Jesus Christ lads will some of ye read over the last few pages at the players you're suggesting will be playing next year. If we're relying on young ayers coming up then we are rightly screwed. Quiet simply, if Wenger doesn't get rid of the players who havent cared enough to play a decent game in three months and replace them with much much better players, not just academy hopefuls then he should be sacked. Every man and his dog can see that we need to spend big, and get proven experience.

It looks everyone in here has settled that we'll be stuck with the same shîte as this year. Well we won't be as fortunate next year. If we do what most of ye are suggesting then we'll struggle to finish with a Europa place.

People here are talking about players we already have because they are already on our books. There's no point picking random names to speculate about because we don't know who we could sign.

I don't think anyone has said they'd be happy not to see good players being signed to replace the ones that go and to supplement it as it is.

sonic85

thank god that sack of sh!te denilson is finally jogging on. "Im a winner" - id love to have some of what hes been smoking.

reports weve secured our first signing and surprise surprise hes a virtual nobody. dont know if its true or not - its on goal.com which is about as reliable as a lada

http://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/2896/premier-league/2011/05/20/2496038/arsenal-set-to-sign-velez-sarsfields-ricky-alvarez-report

his wikipedia page also mentioned him signing for us

Sútalún

Anyone have any idea how Armand Traoré got on for Juve, or if he's coming back?

keano_afc

sonic85 wrote: »

thank god that sack of sh!te denilson is finally jogging on. "Im a winner" - id love to have some of what hes been smoking.

reports weve secured our first signing and surprise surprise hes a virtual nobody. dont know if its true or not - its on goal.com which is about as reliable as a lada

http://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/2896/premier-league/2011/05/20/2496038/arsenal-set-to-sign-velez-sarsfields-ricky-alvarez-report

his wikipedia page also mentioned him signing for us

There's an Arsenal in Argentina too, I wonder do they mean them instead?? :pac:

Duckytech

Sútalún wrote: »

Anyone have any idea how Armand Traoré got on for Juve, or if he's coming back?

Would be interested to know if he has settled as a left back or as a left midfielder. Plus any mention of Wellington Silva, has he sorted out his problems (attitude) with his loan club in Spain?

Read earlier on today on twitter regarding Arsenals possible first signing of the summer...Ricardo Alvarez..a Freebie!

I cant find the original link but heres on from the holy grail that is Goal.com:

http://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/2896/premier-league/2011/05/20/2496038/arsenal-set-to-sign-velez-sarsfields-ricky-alvarez-report

video clip: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Us0IvCKFTE

p.s. Sorry sonic85, you got in before me!

sonic85

keano_afc wrote: »

There's an Arsenal in Argentina too, I wonder do they mean them instead?? :pac:

ha ha! yeah thought that myself but anywhere ive seen it has made it clear its the british arsenal! a taste of things to come i wonder?

the untitled user

Sútalún wrote: »

Anyone have any idea how Armand Traoré got on for Juve, or if he's coming back?

Afaik Juve aren't going to take their option on him so he'll be coming back. He was a bit part player for them, I don't think he impressed much.

KeithAFC

Sometimes i think it would not matter who we sign and so on. What we need to do is learn how to defend and how to create better goal scoring chances and how to be more clinical. I would be focusing on the defensive side of the game all summer.

the untitled user

KeithAFC wrote: »

Sometimes i think it would not matter who we sign and so on. What we need to do is learn how to defend and how to create better goal scoring chances and how to be more clinical. I would be focusing on the defensive side of the game all summer.

I dunno, for me our lack of width is as important. I'd agree we need to up the work rate all around but I would hope that we'll be stronger next season on set pieces if we can partner Djourou and Vermaelen at CB.

I think the main thing for next season is that we buy with tactical versatility in mind. United are masters at it, switching formations easily depending on need. We need to be able to mix things up more when facing resolute defences, we're simply too easy to defend against because everything tends to have to go through the middle. We're just too predictable at the moment, inverted wingers, false 9 and high defensive line no matter who we play.

This is my take on the 25 for next season:

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Fabianksi

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Sczcesney

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Eboué

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<new>

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Koscielny -- Gibbs
Sagna ---- Djourou --- Vermaelen -- Clichy

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<promote> --- Ramsey

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Song

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Wilshere

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Diaby

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Cesc

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<new>

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<promote>
Walcott

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Nasri

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Chamakh

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<new>

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van Persie

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Reserves:
Squilacci
Rosicky

I'd say Denilson, Arshavin and Bendtner will all probably move on of their own volition. Not sure about Rosicky, think we'll find it difficult to find a buyer, and I doubt Squillaci will move on again so quick. I'd imagine Vela will be loaned out until a buyer is found.

The priority for me is the wings, I've been saying for a while we need a natural winger (by that I mean someone similar to Valencia or even Downing, who's game is all about going down the outside and whipping the ball in).

A striker capable of playing along side van Persie would also be nice, but I haven't a notion as to who is a possibility. Someone with a bit more mobility and selfishness though than we currently have hopefully.

In terms of loanees coming back; i expect Botelho and Miyaichi to duke it out for one of the wide positions and Lansbury and Frimpong to be at least given an opportunity in the summer to stake a place for the midfield. I myself would also like to see Bartley made 4th choice, the reports from Rangers suggest he's more than capable at this level. Perhaps another year with Rangers would be better for his development though but given Smalling's progression at United I think it's better to have him in there.

tldr: the main thing for me is that we add more versatility to the squad next season, with a focus on adding width and pace.

ImpossibleDuck

I think Lansbury is very underrated. That fella has got bags of potential, I've never failed to be impressed by him throughout his short career. I don't think he was given the opportunities he deserved.

sonic85

ImpossibleDuck wrote: »

I think Lansbury is very underrated. That fella has got bags of potential, I've never failed to be impressed by him throughout his short career. I don't think he was given the opportunities he deserved.

he really should have been in the squad this season. after his goal against spurs in the CC i thought hed be given a proper opportunity but it didnt happen.

ImpossibleDuck

sonic85 wrote: »

he really should have been in the squad this season. after his goal against spurs in the CC i thought hed be given a proper opportunity but it didnt happen.

Probably wouldn't have got much playing time though...we have quite a lot of CM's. Woulda loved to see him play this season too though

tony1kenobi

I'm sticking with what I said a few pages ago.I am at peace with it.Sign Ashley Cole.A real gooner.Give him the captaincy and all the hoo-ers he can eat.We'll win everything.I'd swap Fab for Ash at this stage.

Pepe LeFrits

Quazzie wrote: »

Jesus Christ lads will some of ye read over the last few pages at the players you're suggesting will be playing next year. If we're relying on young ayers coming up then we are rightly screwed. Quiet simply, if Wenger doesn't get rid of the players who havent cared enough to play a decent game in three months and replace them with much much better players, not just academy hopefuls then he should be sacked. Every man and his dog can see that we need to spend big, and get proven experience.

It looks everyone in here has settled that we'll be stuck with the same shîte as this year. Well we won't be as fortunate next year. If we do what most of ye are suggesting then we'll struggle to finish with a Europa place.

Did you even read the posts or did you just see the names of young players and in a fit of hysteria decide to post the above?

Denilson is our 6th choice CM, Rosicky is our 5th choice winger and Almunia is 3rd, now possibly 4th choice keeper. Replacing them with big money players wouldn't even happen at Real Madrid.

KeithAFC

ImpossibleDuck wrote: »

Probably wouldn't have got much playing time though...we have quite a lot of CM's. Woulda loved to see him play this season too though

Thats the problem. A number of them (Diaby, Denilson) don't try a damn leg. At least this fella would give it everything and he has some quality.

SDTimeout

Ricky Alvarez is 6ft 2 and can play anywhere in midfield.
6ft2!! that's what we need, a team of giants.:D

Minstrel27

MikeySligo wrote: »

Denilson wants out, blaming a lack of success, that he is here to win trophies. Funny. I blame him and others like him FOR our lack of success and failure to win trophies.
Bye Bye

Good riddance. Hopeless excuse for a footballer.

L'prof

SDTimeout wrote: »

Ricky Alvarez is 6ft 2 and can play anywhere in midfield.
6ft2!! that's what we need, a team of giants.:D

Samuel galindo is 6ft3.

ImpossibleDuck

SDTimeout wrote: »

Ricky Alvarez is 6ft 2 and can play anywhere in midfield.
6ft2!! that's what we need, a team of giants.:D

I'm skeptical. 23 years old, market value 800k. I mean like, it seems like he's one of the many young(enough) players we have who are just not good enough for the arsenal first team. More deadwood methinks.

Fuzzy_Dunlop

Arsenal Ladies just won the FA cup again.

Pfft who says we don't win trophies:p

sonic85

Fuzzy_Dunlop wrote: »

Arsenal Ladies just won the FA cup again.

Pfft who says we don't win trophies:p

maybe we should draft a few of the women into the mens squad. at least they have a winning mentality!

efb

Yeah, MPD just reminded me we won a trophy today! Girl Power!!!

SDTimeout

Had a dream last night it was the last game of the season. Us against United to win the title, it was 1-1 in the 89th minute and someone for United took a shot. It hit off Freddie Ljungberg who had green hair similar to his old Sounders kit. It went in and Freddie was credited with the goal, but then it turned out he was playing for United. I was panicking asking my mates why he was playing for them and they said , :"remember, because he said you's were all cnut's ".

jaykay74

I read that Fabregas is at the Spanish Grand Prix currently. I presume he is injured ? Should he not be in London anyway to support the rest of the team to try to pinch 3rd from City ? He is the club captain after all and paid a hell of a lot of money.

L'prof

jaykay74 wrote: »

I read that Fabregas is at the Spanish Grand Prix currently. I presume he is injured ? Should he not be in London anyway to support the rest of the team to try to pinch 3rd from City ? He is the club captain after all and paid a hell of a lot of money.

Why would anyone want to watch them finish 4th???

jaykay74

L'prof wrote: »

Why would anyone want to watch them finish 4th???

I guess its a personal thing really. Some people would say as you say, why bother, not important etc. I would expect more of a captain especially since you are dealing with a young squad of players. A few words of encouragement can make a difference to a result.

People who would suggest the game doesn't matter remind me of a small few Liverpool fans who said they should throw the game v Arsenal a few weeks back with "what does it matter to Liverpool". You don't switch on and off a winning mentality.

I guess it has Wengers approval but it sends a poor message to the rest of the squad I think.

ps. I obviously don't think every injured player should turn up regularly to games but the club captain, last game of the season I think he should be there.

Frisbee

tbh I agree he should be at the game. Even if he's off to Barca in the summer it's slightly disrespectful to just not go because he's injured.

L'prof

jaykay74 wrote: »

I guess its a personal thing really. Some people would say as you say, why bother, not important etc. I would expect more of a captain especially since you are dealing with a young squad of players. A few words of encouragement can make a difference to a result.

People who would suggest the game doesn't matter remind me of a small few Liverpool fans who said they should throw the game v Arsenal a few weeks back with "what does it matter to Liverpool". You don't switch on and off a winning mentality.

I guess it has Wengers approval but it sends a poor message to the rest of the squad I think.

ps. I obviously don't think every injured player should turn up regularly to games but the club captain, last game of the season I think he should be there.

If it was our last home fame of the season or if we genuinely had something to fight for, then I'd agree 100%, but I don't think today is all that important to be honest.

the untitled user

A few weeks ago we were talking about how many Summer's Cesc had played through without a break. It's not even a home game so I don't see any reason to force him to stay in London, let him get the rest he needs.

Why is Cesc not at the game?

Frisbee

Chamakh and RVP starting together. But no way it's 4-4-2 unless Diaby is being put on the wing..

amiable

Deleted User wrote: »

Why is Cesc not at the game?

He's at the grand prix in Barcelona

amiable

amiable wrote: »

He's at the grand prix in Barcelona

Like, is he injured? Strange, he wouldn't be around for the last match.

Minstrel27

Goal down. FFS

iMuse

RVP scores again, Our player of the year by miles

SDTimeout

RVP was 100/1 to be top goal scorer the other day. If Tevez nor Berba scores and Robin gets 2 more, what's the scenario if they are all equal.

Blatter

RVP - scored in his last 9 league away games. Some record.

Quazzie

I'm actually glad we're losing. If we won then it'd only serve as a crutch for Wenger to use to back up his claim that the current squad is good enough. Now we've lost(hopefully it stays the same) he has nothing to do only admit we are muck and buy some experiences talent that's proven in English football.

Fuzzy_Dunlop

Quazzie wrote: »

I'm actually glad we're losing. If we won then it'd only serve as a crutch for Wenger to use to back up his claim that the current squad is good enough. Now we've lost(hopefully it stays the same) he has nothing to do only admit we are muck and buy some experiences talent that's proven in English football.

I don't understand this attitude at all. Any manager that bases their decisions on one game would have to be completely inept.


Anyway, a glorious draw to bring the dismal last few months to an end. Big improvements needed in the defending of the team as a whole.

ImpossibleDuck

the untitled user wrote: »

let him get the rest he needs.

I can't resist; From what?

Quazzie

Fuzzy_Dunlop wrote: »

I don't understand this attitude at all. Any manager that bases their decisions on one game would have to be completely inept.


Anyway, a glorious draw to bring the dismal last few months to an end. Big improvements needed in the defending of the team as a whole.

I aint saying he'd base it one game, but I guarantee if we won 4-0 today he'd be giving an interview saying this is the potential he sees and he believes the squad can produce that more often. Now that we've been shïte again he can't claim that.

michael999999

amiable wrote: »

He's at the grand prix looking at houses in Barcelona

sorted

Fuzzy_Dunlop

Quazzie wrote: »

I aint saying he'd base it one game, but I guarantee if we won 4-0 today he'd be giving an interview saying this is the potential he sees and he believes the squad can produce that more often. Now that we've been shïte again he can't claim that.

I don't understand why people get so worked up by what he says in interviews. He's not going to say his team is completely **** no matter what happens. Also people tend to only pay any attention to what he says if it goes along with the stereotypes.

It's not what he says but what he does that's important. Especially now after the way the season has gone.

keano_afc

Thank goodness thats over.

keano_afc

keano_afc wrote: »

Thank goodness thats over.

You are talking about the season, aren't you?

keano_afc

Papa Smut wrote: »

You are talking about the season, aren't you?

Oh yes. Gone, now the process of erasing it from my memory begins.

cson

I'd love to see a league table done out from the weekend after Barca beat us til now, I'd bet we'd be in the relegation places.

everdead.ie

cson wrote: »

I'd love to see a league table done out from the weekend after Barca beat us til now, I'd bet we'd be in the relegation places.

Try statto.com you can then click on custom table and it will show ya.
Just checked Arsenal would be 15th

3hn2givr7mx1sc

I heard the Arsenal fans were singing "Spend some fooking money" at the game today. Reckon next season could be Wenger's last if it's trophyless?

L'prof

baz2009 wrote: »

I heard the Arsenal fans were singing "Spend some fooking money" at the game today. Reckon next season could be Wenger's last if it's trophyless?

If he fails to really strengthen the squad this summer, then yes I'd fear for his job.