Chelsea FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 10/11 (mod warning in post #7124)

amiable

Does Papagormo just thank everyone who replies to me?

MUSEIST

amiable wrote: »

Fair enough, my tongue was placed firmly in cheek:)

I'd say Roman has decided who he wants already(or whoever is telling him what to do has)

He must know who he wants otherwise why sack a perfectly good manager.your welcome papa

flahavaj

Sgt Pepper 64 wrote: »

Quite why you and others have to come and disgregate our thread with this sort of crap is beyond me. Keep your negative views to yourself.
We, as chelsea fans, are well aware of our own clubs failings.

Obviously not if one of your fans is calling the man who rescued the club from ruin a prick. You hae to take the bad with the good when it comes to these billionaire owners, his meddling is the price ye have to pay for the clu actually still being in existence not to mention him winning ye trophies ye only ever dreamed about before.

At least we have a club where the owner puts money in as opposed to your owners who have only ever taken money out.

At least we're consistent in our attitudes towards them instead of calling them pricks one minute and heroes the next!

Jealousy is a terrible thing. I wont be gloating much when Man U go bust.

LOUL. Jealous of what? What a hilarious jibe to come out with today of all daysThere is no hope of United going bust. If thats what your clinging onto then you're in for a longer wait than the one ye'll have for a CL trophy. Your posts are fairly childish for a man of your years tbh.

ShoulderChip

Delighted Carlo is gone,
What good did he do at Chelsea this year?
His first priority as manager is to get the team motivated for every match --> He was excruciatingly awful at this.
I got the impression he thought he was too good for man management and too distant to the players, thus why losing Ray Wilkins was such a loss

Second priority picking the right players
Thirs priority tactics, and changing them mid match

I don't think he ever defined his preferred team, never coped with anelka and drogba playing together, let alone Torres. Could not find a slot for Sturridge or the other youth

and his substitutes were horrendous - oh yes lets swap a Right back for a defensive midfielder as we have to chase the game etc.

Judging him on this season alone, if he had no reputation or history I would find it hard not to call him a complete plank and rubbish.



Next Permanent Manager
Andre Villas-Boas 2/1
Gus Hiddink 3/1
Jose Mourinho 7/2
Harry Redknapp 4/1
Marco Van Basten 9/1
Frank Rijkaard 12/1
Pep Guardiola 12/1
Didier Deschamps 12/1
Marcello Lippi 16/1
Rafa Benitez 20/1
Martin O'Neill 20/1
Gianfranco Zola 25/1
Joachim Loew 25/1
Martin Jol 25/1
Louis Van Gaal 25/1
Laurent Blanc 25/1
Jurgen Klinsmann 33/1
Fabio Capello 33/1
Mark Hughes 33/1
Roberto Di Matteo 33/1

MUSEIST

flahavaj wrote: »

Obviously not if one of your fans is calling the man who rescued the club from ruin a prick. You hae to take the bad with the good when it comes to these billionaire owners, his meddling is the price ye have to pay for the clu actually still being in existence not to mention him winning ye trophies ye only ever dreamed about before.

At least we have a club where the owner puts money in as opposed to your owners who have only ever taken money out.

At least we're consistent in our attitudes towards them instead of calling them pricks only when it suits us.

LOUL. Jealous of what? What a hilarious jibe to come out with today of all daysThere is no hope of United going bust. If thats what your clinging onto then you're in for a longer wait than the one ye'll have for a CL trophy. Your posts are fairly childish for a man of your years tbh.

But only 1 person called him a prick, I am confused about where you got all chelsea fans views from that??

Panthro

MUSEIST wrote: »

He must know who he wants otherwise why sack a perfectly good manager.your welcome papa

:pac:
Is there any links to the Danny/Borini stories? I can't find any online at the min.

flahavaj

MUSEIST wrote: »

But only 1 person called him a prick, I confused about where you got all chelsea fans views from that??

True, I got caught up in Sgt Peppers propensity to make this an "us" and "You lot" childish debate.

MUSEIST

ShoulderChip wrote: »

Delighted Carlo is gone,
What good did he do at Chelsea this year?
His first priority as manager is to get the team motivated for every match --> He was excruciatingly awful at this.
I got the impression he thought he was too good for man management and too distant to the players, thus why losing Ray Wilkins was such a loss

Second priority picking the right players
Thirs priority tactics, and changing them mid match

I don't think he ever defined his preferred team, never coped with anelka and drogba playing together, let alone Torres. Could not find a slot for Sturridge or the other youth

and his substitutes were horrendous - oh yes lets swap a Right back for a defensive midfielder as we have to chase the game etc.

Judging him on this season alone, if he had no reputation or history I would find it hard not to call him a complete plank and rubbish.



Next Permanent Manager
Andre Villas-Boas 2/1
Gus Hiddink 3/1
Jose Mourinho 7/2
Harry Redknapp 4/1
Marco Van Basten 9/1
Frank Rijkaard 12/1
Pep Guardiola 12/1
Didier Deschamps 12/1
Marcello Lippi 16/1
Rafa Benitez 20/1
Martin O'Neill 20/1
Gianfranco Zola 25/1
Joachim Loew 25/1
Martin Jol 25/1
Louis Van Gaal 25/1
Laurent Blanc 25/1
Jurgen Klinsmann 33/1
Fabio Capello 33/1
Mark Hughes 33/1
Roberto Di Matteo 33/1

I hated our lack of motivation also, players need to take some of the blame

Lukker-

I love Carlo and all, but tbh, he has gotten his tactics completely wrong too many times this season, he said it himself he should have been sacked around Christmas, he knew the risks when he took the job, I doubt he will have any complaints.

ShoulderChip

MUSEIST wrote: »

I hated our lack of motivation also, players need to take some of the blame

It was so frustrating, even against Spurs when we were going for the last goal, they seemed to just be going through the motions,
that is the heart of management to me, at this stage in he season the players all know their roles and there jobs,
they just need someone to push them the extra 10% in the same uniform direction.

Dave Brent could have done a better job

smuckers

Jason Cundy on SSN suggesting that there was a split dressing room, wouldn't suprise me at all.
Sad to see Carlo go but he has no plan B when the chips were down, played no widemen and didn't get the best out of Torres

smuckers

Ian McGarry on twitter convinced its Van Basten and Hiddink.

MUSEIST

smuckers wrote: »

Jason Cundy on SSN suggesting that there was a split dressing room, wouldn't suprise me at all.
Sad to see Carlo go but he has no plan B when the chips were down, played no widemen and didn't get the best out of Torres

He did not get the best out of torres because we are not creative enough. It took us 25 mins today to create a good chance. Torres is a finisher not a creater, he had nothing to finish.

Blatter

smuckers wrote: »

Jason Cundy on SSN suggesting that there was a split dressing room, wouldn't suprise me at all.
Sad to see Carlo go but he has no plan B when the chips were down, played no widemen and didn't get the best out of Torres

In fairness, Jason Cundy is full of **** half the time.

amiable

smuckers wrote: »

Ian McGarry on twitter convinced its Van Basten and Hiddink.

months ago he was certain Carlo was gone at the end of season

th3 s1aught3r

Sack one of the best managers in the world, madness
It was Roman Abramovich who destroyed Chelseas season NOT Ancelotti :pac:

Panthro

So what should we expect from here on in?
Think the squad is pretty solid overall, most likely we will see something similar to last season, 2-3 exits and hopefully a creative midfielder and a winger introduced.
And I hope to jaysus the Sturridge rumours is nothing more than horseshít, I can't help but wonder would the new manager (whoever it may be) have the capabilities of enticing Borini to stick around, he looks like a real prospect.

flahavaj

Van Basten would be a risk, he has little or no club management experience. Even with Hiddink in as a "mentor," you have to wonder how well these shared roles ever work. I mean, why not just give the job outright to Hiddink if you're going to get him in anyway? What will inevitable happen is van Basten will get the boot within the first 18 months and Hiddink will take over himself anyway.

MUSEIST

flahavaj wrote: »

Van Basten would be a risk, he has little or no club management experience. Even with Hiddink in as a "mentor," you have to wonder how well these shared roles ever work. I mean, why not just give the job outright to Hiddink if you're going to get him in anyway? What will inevitable happen is van Basten will get the boot within the first 18 months and Hiddink will take over himself anyway.

Yes but according to the rags hiddink has actually choosen van basten and it would not be romans decision, therefore they should work well toghether. I think roman would have hiddink in the job except he is not really interested in fulltime management anymore.

growler

surprising from Lampard on twitter:

"It's time for you to leave, Roman Abramovich. We don't need you if you keep sacking managers. Carlo was a great guy"

sorry, just realised that the Frank Lampard on twitter isnt the real one, doh

Cantona's Collars

Rumours that Drogba is joining Galatasary http://www.galatasaray.org.la-rp.com/futbol/futbol_as/haber/10099.php

Johner

growler wrote: »

surprising from Lampard on twitter:

"It's time for you to leave, Roman Abramovich. We don't need you if you keep sacking managers. Carlo was a great guy"

Lampard doesn't have Twitter.

Panthro

growler wrote: »

surprising from Lampard on twitter:

"It's time for you to leave, Roman Abramovich. We don't need you if you keep sacking managers. Carlo was a great guy"

Jesus, Frank has balls of steel if he actually wrote that.

Edit, I now see that Lamps isn't on twitter

MUSEIST

I thought he stopped tweeting years ago

Sasquatch76

Johner wrote: »

Lampard doesn't have Twitter.

^This

flahavaj

MUSEIST wrote: »

Yes but according to the rags hiddink has actually choosen van basten and it would not be romans decision, therefore they should work well toghether. I think roman would have hiddink in the job except he is not really interested in fulltime management anymore.

As I said earlier these management teams IMO fail far more than they work. Its far more preferable to have one strong voice at the helm of the club. No two people can ever agree on everything. Who'd have the final say? Because I have a funny feeling that it'd be Hiddink that'd have the final say on most things but it'll be van Basten that gets the door when it goes tits up.

Bringing in a guy like van Basten who only has a poor year at Ajax as the sum total of his club management experience is a poor idea, no matter how good his mentor is.

As a United fan, I hope it happens.

Johner

Van Basten would probably be another Scolari.

MUSEIST

flahavaj wrote: »

As I said earlier these management teams IMO fail far more than they work. Its far more preferable to have one strong voice at the helm of the club. No two people can ever agree on everything. Who'd have the final say? Because I have a funny feeling that it'd be Hiddink that'd have the final say on most things but it'll be van Basten that gets the door when it goes tits up.

Bringing in a guy like van Basten who only has a poor year at Ajax as the sum total of his club management experience is a poor idea, no matter how good his mentor is.

As a United fan, I hope it happens.

But its not a management team, hiddink would be dof. The role that arnesen currently has. The club are obviously looking for a young manager ( van basten or boas).

blue-army

Hiddink will be coach of Turkey until after June 4th qf. Then be announced as Director of Football at #CFC followed by Van Basten as coach.

Ian McGarry (5Live) on Twitter

MUSEIST

van basten on his own = complete insanity
van basten + hiddink as director of football = makes sense to me

Sgt Pepper 64

flahavaj wrote: »

Obviously not if one of your fans is calling the man who rescued the club from ruin a prick. You hae to take the bad with the good when it comes to these billionaire owners, his meddling is the price ye have to pay for the clu actually still being in existence not to mention him winning ye trophies ye only ever dreamed about before.

At least we're consistent in our attitudes towards them instead of calling them pricks one minute and heroes the next!


LOUL. Jealous of what? What a hilarious jibe to come out with today of all daysThere is no hope of United going bust. If thats what your clinging onto then you're in for a longer wait than the one ye'll have for a CL trophy. Your posts are fairly childish for a man of your years tbh.

Seriously, why are you posting in the chelsea thread?
Its just gloating to me. And having the crack about buying success etc is not going to win you any friends in here
I used the bust jibe as an example.
I actually agree with some of what you have posted, but no chelsea fan needs a man u fan coming here shouting about buying success - that is just a pure wind up

Johner

garbosj Ian McGarry
Neymar tops the list as marquee signing for #CFC. Team will be rebuilt around Torres to satisfy Abramovich's vanity purchase.


garbosj Ian McGarry
#CFC have already instigated plans to sign 5 new players this summer. All of whom have been approved/recommended by Hiddink.


garbosj Ian McGarry
Hiddink will be coach of Turkey until after June 4th qf. Then be announced as Director of Football at #CFC followed by Van Basten as coach.

MUSEIST

Johner wrote: »

garbosj Ian McGarry
Neymar tops the list as marquee signing for #CFC. Team will be rebuilt around Torres to satisfy Abramovich's vanity purchase.


garbosj Ian McGarry
#CFC have already instigated plans to sign 5 new players this summer. All of whom have been approved/recommended by Hiddink.


garbosj Ian McGarry
Hiddink will be coach of Turkey until after June 4th qf. Then be announced as Director of Football at #CFC followed by Van Basten as coach.

Does he have the lotto numbers by any chance:pac:

Panthro

Johner wrote: »

garbosj Ian McGarry
#CFC have already instigated plans to sign 5 new players this summer. All of whom have been approved/recommended by Hiddink.


garbosj Ian McGarry
Hiddink will be coach of Turkey until after June 4th qf. Then be announced as Director of Football at #CFC followed by Van Basten as coach.

I don't really understand the reasoning behind this to be honest. If Hiddink is calling the shots on who should be brought in, then why not have him step up to the plate and oversee the new players integration into the squad, baffling.

amiable

Johner wrote: »

garbosj Ian McGarry
Neymar tops the list as marquee signing for #CFC. Team will be rebuilt around Torres to satisfy Abramovich's vanity purchase.


garbosj Ian McGarry
#CFC have already instigated plans to sign 5 new players this summer. All of whom have been approved/recommended by Hiddink.


garbosj Ian McGarry
Hiddink will be coach of Turkey until after June 4th qf. Then be announced as Director of Football at #CFC followed by Van Basten as coach.

McGarry is usually on the ball with Chelsea.

He's usually not far wrong IMO

He was right about Ancelloti in February/March

Johner

Yeah he has very good sources at the club!

smuckers

He now claims that its Villa Boas with Hiddink. We knew about Neymar for months and it will probably happen.

Sgt Pepper 64

papagormo wrote: »

I don't really understand the reasoning behind this to be honest. If Hiddink is calling the shots on who should be brought in, then why not have him step up to the plate and oversee the new players integration into the squad, baffling.

It does seem as Roman has a lot of advisors, its almost like an ancient Kings court - who ever has the Kings ear!
But Roman wasnt afraid to get rid of his friend, Avram Grant.

I suppose you could argue that Roman, like fans, only wants success, but by god he is a lot more ruthless about it than any fan I know.
I suppose its like karma or some Greek tragedy.
You create a super hero who should defeat all before him, but then you give him a fatal flaw just to even things up!
I mean, when Roman first burst onto the scene and started on that glorious summer of buying, everyone thought that Chelsea would rule football for decades to come. But after first Mourinho, then Grant and then Sc went, they all breathed a huge sigh of relief!

I suppose the only positive is that Roman will appoint someone he thinks can bring success (and in the wording of the statement)

"Chelsea's long-term football objectives and ambitions remain unchanged"

I thought that statement was very interesting

ShoulderChip

smuckers wrote: »

He now claims that its Villa Boas with Hiddink. We knew about Neymar for months and it will probably happen.

Where did you see this?

flahavaj

MUSEIST wrote: »

But its not a management team, hiddink would be dof. The role that arnesen currently has. The club are obviously looking for a young manager ( van basten or boas).

Whatever name you put on it, the only way it'll end up is with van Basten being the fall guy and as per usual a case of too many cooks.

Ye can't be happy with this proposed new set up lads? Basically a rookie manager coming in with Hiddink and Roman in his ear?

Sgt Pepper 64

Johner wrote: »

garbosj Ian McGarry
Neymar tops the list as marquee signing for #CFC. Team will be rebuilt around Torres to satisfy Abramovich's vanity purchase.


garbosj Ian McGarry
#CFC have already instigated plans to sign 5 new players this summer. All of whom have been approved/recommended by Hiddink.


garbosj Ian McGarry
Hiddink will be coach of Turkey until after June 4th qf. Then be announced as Director of Football at #CFC followed by Van Basten as coach.

5 players?! wow thats a lot of players to bring in and expect instant success!
I still dont understand how we are ever going to keep to the new financial fair play rules??

smuckers

ShoulderChip wrote: »

Where did you see this?

a chatter said it

MUSEIST

flahavaj wrote: »

Whatever name you put on it, the only way it'll end up is with van Basten being the fall guy and as per usual a case of too many cooks.

Ye can't be happy with this proposed new set up lads? Basically a rookie manager coming in with Hiddink and Roman in his ear?

But thats the way it is at the moment and the way it has been for the last few years. Its not going to change.

ShoulderChip

Sgt Pepper 64 wrote: »

5 players?! wow thats a lot of players to bring in and expect instant success!
I still dont understand how we are ever going to keep to the new financial fair play rules??

I guess because no one can, isn't it true that 17/20 of the premier league clubs spent past their means this year, I think the consensus is that it will not be enforced for a long time yet.

flahavaj

Sgt Pepper 64 wrote: »

Seriously, why are you posting in the chelsea thread?
Its just gloating to me. And having the crack about buying success etc is not going to win you any friends in here
I used the bust jibe as an example.
I actually agree with some of what you have posted, but no chelsea fan needs a man u fan coming here shouting about buying success - that is just a pure wind up

I'm not gloating at all.

You could argue that both United and Chelsea both bought their success, sure.

But United's money at least came on the back of it being the best run club in the world, they earned it. They also have a philosophy of encouraging youth and planning for long term cyclical success. Yours came from the pockets of your owner who seems to want a fast solution to every problem. Big difference.

amiable

Sgt Pepper 64 wrote: »

5 players?! wow thats a lot of players to bring in and expect instant success!
I still dont understand how we are ever going to keep to the new financial fair play rules??

i get the impression Chelsea and Man City aren't bothered by these new rules

flahavaj

MUSEIST wrote: »

But thats the way it is at the moment and the way it has been for the last few years. Its not going to change.

Good!

jcf

**** of Chelsea .

****ing disgrace.


I'm off to follow hammer throwing now

TerryTibbs!

jcf wrote: »

**** of Chelsea .

****ing disgrace.


I'm off to follow hammer throwing now

Cop on.

Sgt Pepper 64

flahavaj wrote: »

I'm not gloating at all.

You could argue that both United and Chelsea both bought their success, sure.

But United's money at least came on the back of it being the best run club in the world, they earned it. They also have a philosophy of encouraging youth and planning for long term cyclical success. Yours came from the pockets of your owner who seems to want a fast solution to every problem. Big difference.

Theres no doubt that the Man U model of blending youth and experience is the way to go. Coupled with a manager who is actually allowed to manage rather than coach, and is allowed to "fail" by winning every trophy.
Unfortunately we have a different model, which has brought some success.
Roman, for all his faults, has invested a lot in the youth team and we slowly slowly starting to see the results.
The guy does try to do the right thing. I mean, all he wants is a manager to win at least one trophy a season with a team he has invested an awful lot of money in, so i guess thats not too much to ask!