13yr old arrested

Willbbz

zuroph wrote: »

yes you can, its clearly down to the parents. Poor kid never had a chance.

Not entirely. My sister isn't as careless as this 13 year old but she's not far from it. And we have the same parents

zuroph

But i don't know you.

Jigga

zuroph wrote: »

yes you can, its clearly down to the parents. Poor kid never had a chance.

The Dundons father is a murderer but how come he has one son not involved in crime?

krudler

zuroph wrote: »

Its a horrible story and I feel sorry for you Millie. But you'll notice if you re-read, nobody was defending the parents on this thread, and thats the point. It's their fault. The kid never had a hope really. You hardly blame the 6 year old on their own.

People should need a licence to have kids

We need a licence to have a dog, or a piece of equipment that can recieve a tv signal, yet anyone can have kids, its a joke.

Henry Ford III

Jigga wrote: »

The Dundons father is a murderer but how come he has one son not involved in crime?

Which one is that? I know of Wayne, John, & Ger, all of whom are "well known" to the authorities.

p.s I nearly forgot Dessie.

zuroph

Jigga wrote: »

The Dundons father is a murderer but how come he has one son not involved in crime?

and this is your litmus test for all cases internationally? If a 13 year old kid is free to wander about steling cars, and her younger brother is able to head out drinkign and smoking every day, then PERHAPS the parents arent keeping much of an eye on their kids.

CiaranMT

bugler wrote: »

I'm not sure what I feel for her is sympathy, but you have to realise that you, or I, or I'm sure anyone else on this thread, did not have an upbringing like she had or is having. It's easy to say "she knows this, she knows that", but does she? Was she told by words and more importantly by deed how you act with people? Did she learn how to care or be cared for? Or was she subjected to abuse, neglect, starved of basic care never mind love, and left with no moral compass whatsoever?

You or I have no idea what she knows, what she thinks, or how she feels. I'm bloody glad of that too. What she or other similar kids have been through is completely off the scale of what we've ever experienced. We have no idea what that would be like. Do not underestimate the importance of childhood. Your parents and family shaped your personality and character in a million ways you can never ever count. If those supports were removed or damaged it would affect you seriously. She is just not like you or I.

She is obviously an extreme case, and it's very hard to see any possible solution. Certainly it seems untenable to leave her with her family if she is with them currently. But does our state have any real plan to deal with her? I doubt it.

She will go on running wild until she dies or lands in prison on a lengthy stretch, which will sadly be the best for all concerned. All because we simply do not have an answer for what to do when people who are not fit to raise children have children.

Got it in one Bugler.

@Kilburn, no-one has actually insulted you or questioned your integrity, personality, whatever. They have pointed out your statements for what they are. It's not being pc either.

Normalperson

Looking throught the posts I see that someone even thought that Fairview Crescent was a private estate, which goes to show that because the place is SO hidden that most wouldnt even know what goes on up there on a daily basis.
Im speaking as a resident living very nearby and I can say that this girl and her family (if you could even call them that) are only one half of the problems up there as they are closely alligned with another family and between them they have caused absolute mayhem and have successfully driven out around 17 quiet-living families from Fairview Crescent Garryowen,
the latest being only this week (where the little cnut saw off another family with her intimidation), supported by her proud mother.

Limerick city council are well aware of the situation and are allowing themselves to fail through the eviction process of this family - put simply - Fairview Crescent is so hidden away from the main roads (you would have no business going up there as it is a cul de sac) that they turn the blind eye to the destruction caused by these families as they know they would have uproar on their hands if they were to move them to another area (be it from residents in a private area or be it from equally bad council tennants who would clash with them).
It seems easier to just let the good people walk away than to remove the scum.

These vermin often become bored with the Crescent and venture out and about through Garryowen and nearby areas to attack local youngsters (and indeed adults too - as the poor lady down Johns Square suffered at the hands of this little creepy bitch) for their phones and they vandalise cars and burn down derelict properties, wheelie bins outside houses ect.

I go mad when I hear people say "theres no place for the kids to go, build commuity centres, youth clubs ect" but seriously - these b******s were given beautiful brand new homes in one of the most expensive council developments ever built in IRELAND (and YOU tax paying people PAID for it) and this is the thanks you get for working, YOU house these apes,
enabling them to breed and multiply.

This is why the whole regeneration scam scheme will NEVER work - brand new properties will NOT calm these b******s down, they will not suddenly drop their pick axes and be nice to neighbours just because they live in a nice house. The money that's being WASTED on redeveloping sh*t***es will never work cos when these undeserving b******s move in and decide they have a problem with one of their neighbours, they all may aswell be still living in the squalor that THEY created in the likes of Southill and Weston.
Give them f-all I say. Make them homeless!

Mc Love

I if i could thank your post a hundred times I would

Wolfe Tone

Normalperson wrote: »

Looking throught the posts I see that someone even thought that Fairview Crescent was a private estate, which goes to show that because the place is SO hidden that most wouldnt even know what goes on up there on a daily basis.
Im speaking as a resident living very nearby and I can say that this girl and her family (if you could even call them that) are only one half of the problems up there as they are closely alligned with another family and between them they have caused absolute mayhem and have successfully driven out around 17 quiet-living families from Fairview Crescent Garryowen,
the latest being only this week (where the little cnut saw off another family with her intimidation), supported by her proud mother.

Limerick city council are well aware of the situation and are allowing themselves to fail through the eviction process of this family - put simply - Fairview Crescent is so hidden away from the main roads (you would have no business going up there as it is a cul de sac) that they turn the blind eye to the destruction caused by these families as they know they would have uproar on their hands if they were to move them to another area (be it from residents in a private area or be it from equally bad council tennants who would clash with them).
It seems easier to just let the good people walk away than to remove the scum.

These vermin often become bored with the Crescent and venture out and about through Garryowen and nearby areas to attack local youngsters (and indeed adults too - as the poor lady down Johns Square suffered at the hands of this little creepy bitch) for their phones and they vandalise cars and burn down derelict properties, wheelie bins outside houses ect.

I go mad when I hear people say "theres no place for the kids to go, build commuity centres, youth clubs ect" but seriously - these b******s were given beautiful brand new homes in one of the most expensive council developments ever built in IRELAND (and YOU tax paying people PAID for it) and this is the thanks you get for working, YOU house these apes,
enabling them to breed and multiply.

This is why the whole regeneration scam scheme will NEVER work - brand new properties will NOT calm these b******s down, they will not suddenly drop their pick axes and be nice to neighbours just because they live in a nice house. The money that's being WASTED on redeveloping sh*t***es will never work cos when these undeserving b******s move in and decide they have a problem with one of their neighbours, they all may aswell be still living in the squalor that THEY created in the likes of Southill and Weston.
Give them f-all I say. Make them homeless!

Well said.

kilburn

@CiaranMT i simple said if you do the crime, you do the time. Thats it and that people know right from wrong. And i was accused of endorsing Nazi germany, cop on to your self and discuss things like mature adults instead of throwing yer toys out of the pram when ye dont like someone endorsing the law be upheld !

CiaranMT

kilburn wrote: »

@CiaranMT i simple said if you do the crime, you do the time. Thats it and that people know right from wrong. And i was accused of endorsing Nazi germany, cop on to your self and discuss things like mature adults instead of throwing yer toys out of the pram when ye dont like someone endorsing the law be upheld !

Chill man, you're the only one throwing toys out of said pram. :rolleyes:

billy the squid

Kilburn, Ciaran please retract the claws or I will ban both of you.

thanking you

mark1974

I know this family and it all started with this child's(13yo) grandparents. They had many children and when their children got into trouble with the law, which some of them did on a regular basis, the grandmother in particular, always maintained that the guards where wrong and that they were being harassed.She constantly turned a blind eye to what her children did.
This was the attitude that this 13year old`s mother was brought up with and has now passed on to her own children. They have been reared to see the law and authorities as fools and that they are above them.

Raiser

mark1974 wrote: »

They have been reared to see the law and authorities as fools and that they are above them.

Unfortunately there seems as though nothing has been done to contradict that view anyhow.....

At a guess I'd say every Civil Servant within range from the Gardaí to Social Workers etc. would prefer to be, and probably is, re-arranging their desk ornaments and fiddling their expenses than dealing with these People......

Xennon

kilburn wrote: »

Xennon cop on to yourself, no one is suggesting anything like Germany.
Get over yourself will ya, if you commit a crime you have to do the time its as simple as that.
And how dare u pass comments like that about my character, it seems here that when people disagree with a comment the result to insulting you. Aint we a mature lot here, I thought boards was a platform for discussion not a slanging match site.

I can assure you Im well copped on, and well over myself. Your flippant comments deserved my response in my view. As for attacking your character, I did no such thing, I simply commented on your statement. People seem to be doing 'the time' regularly and go back to 'doing the crime'. In my opinion this means the system doesn't work.

@Millie, if I knew what to do then I would happily tell anyone who wanted my opinion.

At the moment my opinion is that there should be an armed garda presence, not just in Limerick but throughout Ireland. I know we have the ARU units, and they're a step in the right direction but I dont think its enough. Most of the gardai we have at the moment would not be suited to this work, I believe we should have a second force of armed garda, similar to parts of Europe where you have a local police force, and a national force. Im sorry, but I look at some of the 'gardai' we have and wonder 'WTF are you going to do in a situation?'

The judiciary are a joke from what Ive read recently, doing 'the time' is just too easy an option. Our prisons are full of people that would be better off put to work in some form of community service, putting them in prison for minor offenses just starts that downward spiral. If however someone does deserve prison, then i do agree with kilburn that they have opted to step outside outside the law of the land and should have their rights removed and not be sent to a holiday home with your own tv, phone, and yer mates in the cell next to you.

And yes I'm in favour of the death penalty, as far as Im concerned,once you cross that line, you are no longer a member of civilization.

The youth problem, is one of a lack of respect. They fear little, and what have they to fear? Nothing, they get a slap on the wrists or sent to a 'home' where again they mix with more kids with anti-social behavior, how can that work??

Shouldn't we look to other countries where they've had to deal with the same level of anti-social behavior rather than trying to invent our own system?

I know many people that grew up in these areas, and have turned out to be outstanding people that I would trust with my life at a drop of a hat. What was different in their lives? Their family. Their parents brought them up well and are a credit to them. So what fails with the degenerates? Obviously their parents. When this happens the only way forward is education. Children's allowance should be removed from parents if the kids don't turn up at school, as this seems to be the sole reason they have kids. The schools should be supported to deal with these kids, it the only chance these people have to get out of that rut.

There is also a distinct lack of community happening in our country, some people don't even know their neighbor's, how can that be healthy? In areas where there is a strong community, anti social behavior doesn't stand a chance.

These are just some ramblings, and again kilburn i wasn't attacking your character, just your comments so ammmmmm get over yerself

Raiser

The whole problem revolves around cause, effect, appropriate response, measured justice, meting out of apt punishment etc.

What this boils down to is certain People need to be dealt with in strong terms which they really, really do not like as a starting point and then subsequently reasons should be placed in the vacuum as to why this 'thing' happened to them.

- This missing factor is not present as an actual threat to their miserable Shíthead lives and therefore they do not fear any consequence to any of their choices, conduct or actions.

kilburn

These are just some ramblings, and again kilburn i wasn't attacking your character, just your comments so ammmmmm get over yerself

I am over myself :cool:

Truce !

Normalperson

Trying to merge these two threads beside one another to highlight the activities within this area Fairview Crescent Garryowen, to show that these two families are in close connection with one another and that they now basically RUN the area.
Rumours abound that Limerick City Council is to surrender Fairview Crescent to them. Just a rumour though

Normalperson

Rumour has it that the 13 year old has been sent away to a special special place for special little girls like herself....a youth court went ahead two days ago and she is now reportedly separated from her mentors, sorry - parents... happy days but for how long???

longhalloween

DarkJager wrote: »

Personally, if I caught some 13 year old scumbag damaging my property on that scale she'd be ****ing praying that the gardai showed up sooner rather than later.

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