Recruitment Freeze - The Official Word

Shield

Applicants from C14 are only competing with applicants from C14. C15 with C15 and so on.

cesc77

Best of the best of those that have cleared vetting and meds?Makes sense,even though it narrows the bottleneck.If I was employing new recruits and I had the freeze restrictions, I would use the cream rising mentality(with 50/50 in mind of course.......)

But surely the places that were allocated for 14 and 15 are exempt as the figures for the training and development of those candidates would have been paid for already or pre-calculated in previous budgets and accounted for prior to the freeze.

Shield

cesc77 wrote: »

But surely the places that were allocated for 14 and 15 are exempt as the figures for the training and development of those candidates would have been paid for already or pre-calculated in previous budgets and accounted for prior to the freeze.

True - they just don't have the rest of the money needed for an entire intake!

1986j

I just really hope I pass the medical and get a place at some stage. Seriously.

Shield

1986j wrote: »

I just really hope I pass the medical and get a place at some stage. Seriously.

You, and thousands like you. I can't imagine how it must be.

Delancey

I am with you 100% on that - but things are slowing down . Maybe the next 2/3 months will leave us with a clearer picture.

1986j

psni wrote: »

You, and thousands like you. I can't imagine how it must be.

Ha I check the mail every single morning first thing and must check this site 3-4x a day lol

beca

delancey42 wrote: »

Here ya go , this is the 30 minute one
http://www.rte.ie/news/2010/0815/north_av.html?2803003,null,230

g'wan the boy ye!

1986j

Interesting..

http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/local-national/northern-ireland/psni-budget-matt-baggot-refuses-to-budge-over-cutbacks-14913278.html

Delancey

Very interesting indeed - thanks for posting the link . Matt Baggott was adamant in his RTE interview that now was not the time to cut the Policing budget.

1986j

1986j wrote: »

Interesting..

http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/local-national/northern-ireland/psni-budget-matt-baggot-refuses-to-budge-over-cutbacks-14913278.html

Ah damn beat me to it! I was just on my way here to post that :rolleyes:

Seems the man's going to fight these cuts to the bitter end...good on him! Lets just hope it comes to something.

"A police source said that if the PSNI was forced to make 8% cuts, the strength of the PSNI would have to be slashed by more than 1000 officers through redundancies and a lengthy recruitment freeze. "


Good ol' "police sources" everybody loves a good inside source! But a cut of 1000... somebody tell these politicians to turn the news on once in a while and cop on to what a monumentaly huge mistake this is :mad:

cesc77

Is it just Norn Iron that has these proposed spending cuts or has every force in England and Wales been told to do the same?

These cuts were obviously hastily drawn up attempts to redress the evils of the previous government,without taking into account the continuing threat level over here.Now,I can only conclude that our cuts are due to two things....neither of them very pretty.

1.The Con/Lib Dem government are naive in their assessment of the security situation here.

2.That they really dont give a damn what happens here(even though, as weve seen in the past,England has suffered attacks running alongside those here)

I dont profess to be an economist but something doesnt ring true about this.These politicians and number crunchers have the benefit of seeing what used to happen in this country and the resulting economic/human cost yet they are willing to risk the same happening again to save a few bucks.

Oh,on a slightly different point but the same....The Olympics..........Have the budgets been worked out for that?Less than two years to go.So are the same number of officers,as has been quoted, expected to look after securing that not insignificant event?The threat of terrorism is a spectre which casts multiple shadows now from various sources,who would look on this event as a headline-maker around the world.

But who am I ?.....only a taxpayer.Sigh

cesc77

cesc77 wrote: »

Is it just Norn Iron that has these proposed spending cuts or has every force in England and Wales been told to do the same?

These cuts were obviously hastily drawn up attempts to redress the evils of the previous government,without taking into account the continuing threat level over here.Now,I can only conclude that our cuts are due to two things....neither of them very pretty.

1.The Con/Lib Dem government are naive in their assessment of the security situation here.

2.That they really dont give a damn what happens here(even though, as weve seen in the past,England has suffered attacks running alongside those here)

I dont profess to be an economist but something doesnt ring true about this.These politicians and number crunchers have the benefit of seeing what used to happen in this country and the resulting economic/human cost yet they are willing to risk the same happening again to save a few bucks.

Oh,on a slightly different point but the same....The Olympics..........Have the budgets been worked out for that?Less than two years to go.So are the same number of officers,as has been quoted, expected to look after securing that not insignificant event?The threat of terrorism is a spectre which casts multiple shadows now from various sources,who would look on this event as a headline-maker around the world.

But who am I ?.....only a taxpayer.Sigh

In relation to the bit in bold - http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/local-national/northern-ireland/david-cameron-lsquomust-recognise-special-role-of-the-psnirsquo-14913280.html
As I said, they need to flick on to the NI news once in a while instead of being so far up their own arses and only concerned with whats happening over there. I honestly believe they don't truly know the situation here. Maybe someone will be able to hammer it home though eventually.

And I believe these cuts are all the same 5-8% across the board, could be wrong on that though...but if that is right that just shows to me that no real thought whatsoever has gone into them and no considerations have been taken into the individual cirsumstances of each force. Pure genius like :rolleyes:

Delancey

Policing cuts are hitting ALL forces including England and Wales - recruitment freezes are the norm. The Met have drastically cut recruitment and that is indicative of how bad things are - don't forget all the poor sods who were waiting to go to Hendon and instead got a letter saying in effect '' no place in training for you and btw if you still wish to join you must re-apply '' :eek: , no ' deep freeze ' for them.

shampon

Sky News takes it's head out of the sand.

cesc77

shampon wrote: »

Sky News takes it's head out of the sand.

See Mr Adams was telling the truth even though he probably wished he never said it...."They havent gone away you know"

Whisper it very softly when you ask"Was it really a good idea to release ALL(Any?) of the murderers under the Good Friday Agreement?"

Although Im sure they are all law abiding contributors to society now:rolleyes:

wanadrum

And politicians.....

shampon

wanadrum wrote: »

And politicians.....

Hey...It's called progress.:D

wanadrum

Hi Shampon, apparently so, but we all have our own opinions on these things.

Bubbles34

http://www.newsletter.co.uk/news/39Dissident-violence-risks-national-security39.6473474.jp

Good to see the politicians fighting the Chief Constables corner.

Vince Coupon

Bubbles34 wrote: »

http://www.newsletter.co.uk/news/39Dissident-violence-risks-national-security39.6473474.jp

Good to see the politicians fighting the Chief Constables corner.

Couldn't sum it up better myself...

"Despite the fact that other police forces across the UK are sustaining cuts, we simply cannot accept that in Northern Ireland, given the very serious dissident threat the PSNI is dealing with. The numbers have to be retained."

notbrazil

Here's a question for someone 'in the know', if there aren't any intakes for the forseeable future (I'm personally still keeping my fingers crossed for November!), will those kept in the freezer be offered places under 50/50? I'm RC and think my score is good enough to carry me through under 50/50, but I wouldn't be in with much of a chance without it.

I know 50/50 was supposed to end in March 2011 - if the recruitment freeze passes that date, will our applications be judged without it?

Delancey

notbrazil wrote: »

Here's a question for someone 'in the know', if there aren't any intakes for the forseeable future (I'm personally still keeping my fingers crossed for November!), will those kept in the freezer be offered places under 50/50? I'm RC and think my score is good enough to carry me through under 50/50, but I wouldn't be in with much of a chance without it.

I know 50/50 was supposed to end in March 2011 - if the recruitment freeze passes that date, will our applications be judged without it?

Check out this thread for a discussion on that very question.

Consensus seems to be that 50/50 will probably need to be extended in some form.

Gee-22

delancey42 wrote: »

Check out this thread for a discussion on that very question.

Consensus seems to be that 50/50 will probably need to be extended in some form.

Even though the letter from Deloitte said this would be the final year the 50/50 will come into play? Surely not moving the goalposts again?

wanadrum

Actually the letter said that it is likely to be the last 50/50 campaign.

Obviously 50/50 will have to be applied for the rest of this campaign after the freeze or whatever.

I think it is the time of appointment that will have changed rather than the 50/50 goalposts.

Delancey

Let us imagine the freeze lasts a full year ( if we're lucky I hear many of you say ) that means that recruitment will re-commence without 50/50 as the extension will have lapsed.
Except I don't think that will happen - there is a 30% RC representation target which the P.S.N.I. have to meet and 50/50 is the tool they use to meet that. I believe it will have to be extended or something similar introduced to hit the target which was expected to be reached last year but wasn't.
Don't forget that not only must 30% RC representation be met but it must be maintained and therefore I would not be surprised if some mechanism is introduced to guarantee that.
All the above is just my opinion of course....

wanadrum

I'm with you on that delancey42.
I'm not sure by what means they can ensure that they maintain the 30% once achieved.
Perhaps they will have a 30/70 policy?

Delancey

wanadrum wrote: »

I'm with you on that delancey42.
I'm not sure by what means they can ensure that they maintain the 30% once achieved.
Perhaps they will have a 30/70 policy?

That is indeed one possibility to ensure 30% is maintained.

wanadrum

The thing is - 10 years of 50/50 is unfair enough, how will they get away with it much longer - surely someone will succeed with a case against them for dicsrimination.

Shield

wanadrum wrote: »

The thing is - 10 years of 50/50 is unfair enough, how will they get away with it much longer - surely someone will succeed with a case against them for dicsrimination.

Discussion of the 50/50 rule should take place in the Politics forum. This forum is for discussing PSNI Recruitment. While 50/50 is part of the recruitment process, we will explain to posters how to affects them and what it means, but for discussions or debates regarding people 'getting away with it', please take it to Politics.

Thanks.

wanadrum

ok no probs - didn't realise it sounded as bad when typing it.

Shield

Cheers.

I've just had a thought, apologies if it's already been brought up but I can't remember ever seeing it, though my head is away with it at the mo so could possibly be...but say this freeze does indeed last for 4 years or so, would this not render all the vetting being done now useless? Alot can happen in a few years, even to the outstanding perfect members of society we wannabe coppers are
I'm assuming normally it's down to you to inform them if anything changes, but over a few years it's bound to "slip" some peoples minds if they do get caught rotten for anything. Or even things like travelling, if a more than a few months away counts as not being resident, it wouldn't be too hard to imagine that this would cause problems some if it did last so long.

Makes sense? No? I'm in need of my bed tonight I think!

Delancey

It makes perfect sense plugin. I don't believe for a moment the vetting would not be rendered null and void by a lapse of 4 years.
My own belief is that it would be back to square 1.

Ah so I do make sense when shattered
In that case then you would wonder why they would be going ahead with it, unless they don't believe it's not going to be as bad as that. Which then would also make me wonder what sort of time period would null the vetting that they would be confident enough to go tear on with it without the worry of it just being wasted money in the end in the event of a few years of a freeze...

Shield

Deleted User wrote: »

but say this freeze does indeed last for 4 years or so, would this not render all the vetting being done now useless?

What makes you think the vetting is being done? Just because you fill out forms and send them back doesn't mean that they're being tended to!

How smart is it to have a stack of vetting papers, all nicely filled in, ready to go through the vetting process when the green light is given?

sharan

when i got an email from vetting after having to resubmit my forms the email stated that my application would be processed.............

pma1983

psni wrote: »

What makes you think the vetting is being done? Just because you fill out forms and send them back doesn't mean that they're being tended to!

How smart is it to have a stack of vetting papers, all nicely filled in, ready to go through the vetting process when the green light is given?

My vetting has cleared-fact! :cool:

psni

psni wrote: »

What makes you think the vetting is being done? Just because you fill out forms and send them back doesn't mean that they're being tended to!

How smart is it to have a stack of vetting papers, all nicely filled in, ready to go through the vetting process when the green light is given?

That made so much sense till pma said his/hers had cleared :rolleyes:
Would seem like a smart thing to do but then again the details could very well still be out of date by the time the freeze is lifted. I think they maybe think it's not going to be so bad, wishfull thinking maybe!

Shield

pma1983 wrote: »

My vetting has cleared-fact! :cool:

Congrats, delighted, well done and so on... but all I was doing was informing the person who asked what they do with a lot of applicants' vetting papers. They will get a certain amount done (which probably includes yours) so they have the guts of an intake at any given point in time, but they don't do everyone's as soon as their papers are returned.

wonderboy86

i have returned my vettings forms by mid july, am guessing that from wat the others are saying this is not early enough...befor finding this forum i was optmistic about the situationa but afte readin some posts there i am decidedly less. i wish everyone the best of luck...

slunk2

Guys I did my medical at the start of Aug and got a letter saying i passed a week later ... but havent heard anything since ... so anyone any ideas where this leaves me... This is my first time applying btw!! Also how do I find out about how i scored for the merit pool .....

pma1983

I reckon an intake is imminent, just got a hunch. Nothing to base my optimism on...:o

zzz101z

Intake in October. Strong hunch.

gigity gigity

October? I suppose a November intake would be possible but calls would probably have to go out soon to allow people time to hand in notices etc.

zzz101z

Any intake in the near future will prob still be from c15

notbrazil

zzz101z wrote: »

Any intake in the near future will prob still be from c15

You think so? I doubt that, the C15 folks applied over a year and a half ago, I doubt they'd use such an old merit pool over the new C16 one. Also, it'd be a waste of money running C16 if they were just going to exhaust the merit list from C15.

wonderboy86

notbrazil wrote: »

You think so? I doubt that, the C15 folks applied over a year and a half ago, I doubt they'd use such an old merit pool over the new C16 one. Also, it'd be a waste of money running C16 if they were just going to exhaust the merit list from C15.

i like your thinking, heres hoping that it is from C16 so that we all have a chance.

zzz101z

notbrazil wrote: »

You think so? I doubt that, the C15 folks applied over a year and a half ago, I doubt they'd use such an old merit pool over the new C16 one. Also, it'd be a waste of money running C16 if they were just going to exhaust the merit list from C15.

Fingers crossed your right.

pma1983

zzz101z wrote: »

Any intake in the near future will prob still be from c15

Doubt it, would you rather take someone with a merit of 600 from c15 or someone with a merit of 6 from c16?