Over rating teams based on legacy

ragg

The hype around Argentina and brazil this world cup was pretty pathetic..

Brazil - The most over rated team this world cup. They were basically like bolton under Sam allardyce. Long ball, 1 donkey + 1 one skillful player up front, if you havn't got the ball Dive in on the man & hope you get the ball.

Argentina - messi = shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiite, Most shots in the entire competition, 0 goals. No defence, no striker who will guarantee you a goal. A manager who is basically a mental..

Delighted for Germany, no one even menioned them before the world cup. Despite having a self sufficient domestic league, a great youth team & an amazing team spirit. I really hope this world cup is the nail in the coffin of the South American hype machine

ragg

my spelling is ****e, sorry

Lukker-

Most people never write Germany fully off, always efficient, clean and most importantly always work as a unit. Compared to teams like Spain and Argentina who contsantly delibrately perform minor fouls to break up play and whinge at every single decision that goes against them, they are a pleasure to watch, what football should be like.

jesus_thats_gre

Messi = ****e?

More than your spelling is ****e mate!

Melion

Im sorry but did you just say Messi is shíte?

ragg

ragg wrote: »

The hype around Argentina and brazil this world cup was pretty pathetic..

Brazil - The most over rated team this world cup. They were basically like bolton under Sam allardyce. Long ball, 1 donkey + 1 one skillful player up front, if you havn't got the ball Dive in on the man & hope you get the ball.

Argentina - messi = shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiite, Most shots in the entire competition, 0 goals. No defence, no striker who will guarantee you a goal. A manager who is basically a mental..

Delighted for Germany, no one even menioned them before the world cup. Despite having a self sufficient domestic league, a great youth team & an amazing team spirit. I really hope this world cup is the nail in the coffin of the South American hype machine

Stopped reading here

3hn2givr7mx1sc

Bit easy to say this in hindsight, were you saying these things before the WC started or during the group stages?

Luis Fabiano is hardly a donkey, btw, and Robinho and Ramires are very talented players.

jesus_thats_gre

Kaka ain't half bad either Wait there, Lucio, Juan, Maicon and Alves are all pretty good too.. Elano is dandy enough too!!

titan18

Sorry, calling Luis Fabiano a donkey and saying that Messi is sh1t destroys any point you're making.

ragg

Melion wrote: »

Im sorry but did you just say Messi is shíte?

This world cup, what did he actually do??? A flick here, a head down run there...
He was pointless, He was even worse than rooney in terms of hype vs end result

ragg

ragg wrote: »

This world cup, what did he actually do??? A flick here, a head down run there...
He was pointless, He was even worse than rooney in terms of hype vs end result

Heskey>>Messi

xtal191

You havent got a clue!!

ragg

xtal191 wrote: »

You havent got a clue!!

More likely you don't havn't got a thought of your own

Melion

ragg wrote: »

This world cup, what did he actually do??? A flick here, a head down run there...
He was pointless, He was even worse than rooney in terms of hype vs end result

Watch more football please.

artanevilla

Bizzare statement saying Messi is ****e.

ragg

Melion wrote: »

Watch more football please.

Watch less sky please

3hn2givr7mx1sc

In fairness he didn't say Messi was shíte, some people just read what they want to read.:rolleyes:

He said Argentina -(minus) Messi = Shíte

Melion

ragg wrote: »

Watch less sky please

You have just called the best footballer on the planet shíte.
Matt Upson scored a goal in this world cup, Messi didnt. Judging by what you said earlier, Upson had a better world cup.

Melion

baz2009 wrote: »

In fairness he didn't say Messi was shíte, some people just read what they want to read.:rolleyes:

He said Argentina -(minus) Messi = Shíte

No he didnt, unfortunately.

ragg

Melion wrote: »

You have just called the best footballer on the planet shíte.
Matt Upson scored a goal in this world cup, Messi didnt. Judging by what you said earlier, Upson had a better world cup.

Best footballer on the planet? He's not even the best player at his club
also, i said meant he was ****e at this worldcup

Melion

ragg wrote: »

Best footballer on the planet? He's not even the best player at his club
also, i said meant he was ****e at this worldcup

I dont even have words to describe it. He is the best player on the planet, its that simple.

xtal191

Ok in your opinion who are the top 5 players in the world then??

artanevilla

ragg wrote: »

Best footballer on the planet? He's not even the best player at his club
also, i said meant he was ****e at this worldcup

He is not only one of the best in the World atm, but he is one of the best of all time. Great players do not always make great teams however.

ragg

Melion wrote: »

I dont even have words to describe it. He is the best player on the planet, its that simple.

ragg wrote:

Watch less sky please

:rolleyes:

Melion

ragg wrote: »

:rolleyes:

Just out of interest.
You say he isnt the best player at his club, how do you know that if you dont watch Sky? Thats the only channel you can see Barca regularly.

Best thread ever

ragg

xtal191 wrote: »

Ok in your opinion who are the top 5 players in the world then??

Iniesta
Villa
Messi
Ronaldo
Kevin Kilbane (had to put an irish player in there... :pac: )

Boskowski

Best player of the world undoubtedly and by a country mile. Period.



Edit: I'm actually only half joking...

noodler

I put money on Germans to the Semis before the WC started.

Nearly always a sure thing.

xtal191

I'd rate Xavi better than Iniesta personally.

Melion

ragg wrote: »

Iniesta
Villa
Messi
Ronaldo
Kevin Kilbane (had to put an irish player in there... :pac: )

How do you watch them 4 regularly without Sky?
Let me guess, online?

_Bella_

Boskowski wrote: »

Best player of the world undoubtedly and by a country mile. Period.

He won and cleared the ball while fixing his captains armband.... if thats not class I dont know what is

ragg

xtal191 wrote: »

I'd rate Xavi better than Iniesta personally.

Thats a whole other thread right there :pac:

ragg

Melion wrote: »

How do you watch them 4 regularly without Sky?
Let me guess, online?

The sky line is one i use to people who get caught up in the hype too much.
Andy gray & Jamie redneck aren't the only opinions on football that matter :rolleyes:

Messi had a bad worldcup, deal with it

5starpool

I like the cut of your jib ragg. Tell it like it is.

Boskowski

jesus_thats_gre wrote: »

Messi = ****e?

More than your spelling is ****e mate!

I know it's not quite maths but the equation is simple enough I think

Argentina - messi = shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiite

I read that as 'Argentina without Messi is sh1te'.
Not
'Messi is sh1te.'

titan18

Boskowski wrote: »

I know it's not quite maths but the equation is simple enough I think



I read that as 'Argentina without Messi is sh1te'.
Not
'Messi is sh1te.'

Considering above that he has Brazil - I reckon he was actually saying Messi was ****e

ragg

titan18 wrote: »

Considering above that he has Brazil - I reckon he was actually saying Messi was ****e

Yeah, at this world cup (where he should have showed how he can be) he has been ****e, can't see how anyone can despute this

Paparazzo

I'm with ragg here and supporting Germany. Best team in the tournament so far by a long way. If Messi did the same little flick that Podolski did all the Messi fans on here would be jizzing their pants.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s2IaFaJrmno

rossie1977

why did you leave out england op

Boskowski

titan18 wrote: »

Considering above that he has Brazil - I reckon he was actually saying Messi was ****e

I don't think he was. I think he may have been a little overburdened with expectations and responsibility.

From what I gather it seems Maradona didn't have much of a gameplan other than allow Messi to do whatever he wants so that he can win Argentina the World Cup like he did himself 24 years ago.

I may be wrong with this, nobody knows whats really going on in the Argentina camp and I may be only parroting all the other pundits, but whatever way it was supposed to work out there was an awful lot of of work to be done by the young man. All of Argentinas opponents knew about this and either man-marked him or had him doubled when around the box or whatnot.

Look at today's game for example. Mascherano hardly ever played anything forward or anything with any creativity. Maxi neither. (I don't understand why Liverpool bought him by the way, he seems the best paid 5 meter passer in the world to me.) I can't remember even the name of whatever other midfielder Argentina had on the pitch today. So all was left to Messi.

Even if you're the best player in the world - and I believe he is - that's a tall order in today's game.

Boskowski

rossie1977 wrote: »

why did you leave out england op

lack of legacy?

flahavaj

I thought Messi was excellent throughout the tournament. He played three passes today that were absolutely sublime and split the German defence wide open, passes that most players wouldnt even see, nevermind pull off. And that's before you go into his tencity on the ball, the way he seemed to beat players at ease.

If anything Messi has gone up in my opinion at this world cup: he was played out of position by and inept manager and still managed to light up the tournament.

steelcityblues

Infuriating how a large section of the world football media have dubbed Cristiano Ronaldo 'selfish' for taking too many long range efforts throughout the World Cup. Yet, Messi has been doing the same thing, and will (probably) escape from widespread criticism

ragg

flahavaj wrote: »

I thought Messi was excellent throughout the tournament. He played three passes today that were absolutely sublime and split the German defence wide open, passes that most players wouldnt even see, nevermind pull off. And that's before you go into his tencity on the ball, the way he seemed to beat players at ease.

If anything Messi has gone up in my opinion at this world cup: he was played out of position by and inept manager and still managed to light up the tournament.

Is it possible that you watched him too closely- passing accurately is something all pro footballers do pretty well, tbf
He showed nothing special this WC

A Primal Nut

ragg wrote: »

The hype around Argentina and brazil this world cup was pretty pathetic..

Brazil - The most over rated team this world cup. They were basically like bolton under Sam allardyce. Long ball, 1 donkey + 1 one skillful player up front, if you havn't got the ball Dive in on the man & hope you get the ball.

Argentina - messi = shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiite, Most shots in the entire competition, 0 goals. No defence, no striker who will guarantee you a goal. A manager who is basically a mental..

Delighted for Germany, no one even menioned them before the world cup. Despite having a self sufficient domestic league, a great youth team & an amazing team spirit. I really hope this world cup is the nail in the coffin of the South American hype machine

Yeah well done on predicting the outcome of Brazil and Argentina's tournament after their elimination. :rolleyes:

Germany have a bigger legacy than Argentina (3 world cup wins to Argentinas 2) and nobody said they would win it before the tournament. Therefore, nothing to do with legacy.

Oh and Brazil are not a long ball team. And none of their goals came from long balls. They are a counter attacking team. Learn the difference.

Daemos

ragg wrote: »

Iniesta
Villa
Messi
Ronaldo
Kevin Kilbane (had to put an irish player in there... :pac: )

So Messi is one of the best in the world, but sh1te?

You have no argument, you're just trying to pick a fight for the sake of it

MisterAnarchy

ragg wrote: »

The hype around Argentina and brazil this world cup was pretty pathetic..

Indeed it was but if anyone had cared to watch the Conmebol World Cup qualifiers they would have seen how limited both Brazil and Argentina were .
Argentina qualified by the skin of their teeth and were appalling in alot of matches ,most notably a 6-1 drubbing in Bolivia .
Brazil were largely unconvincing in alot of their matches too doing just enough to win alot of them and getting a fair slice of luck.
The truth is that the standard of international football in general has probably never been at a lower level,there are no outstanding teams and alot of mediocrity .

joe123

Messi is far from ****e! Probably the best player ive seen play along with Ronaldinho,Zidane and Ronaldo(brazilian one).

Germany have suprised everyone, they are a brilliant team and look like world beaters for years to come with the age of their squad.

Brazil were still a good side. Most people expected them to be less about the samba and more solid, which they were!

But Luis Fabiano is so over rated its ridiculous.

A Primal Nut

ragg wrote: »

Yeah, at this world cup (where he should have showed how he can be) he has been ****e, can't see how anyone can despute this

He was amazing in the first two group games.

The third game didn't matter - Argentina were through.

The game against Mexico he got an assist when the chips were down and they needed a goal.

Tonight he was playing out of position in central midfield (he was forced to drop deep because there was no other central midfielder playing when Argentina had the ball, Mascherano stayed in line with the centre back). Even so he was the best Argentinian player and created a few chances.

Just because he didn't score doesn't make him bad.

noodler

Perspective please.

Torres had a sh1te world cup.

What Messi had was much better.