Uruguay vs Netherlands, WC Semi Final, Tuesday July 6th, RTE & ITV

Nalz

backed holland ft draw ht....with 3 to go got 375/1 on the draw so i threw 50 cent on it! lol

_Bella_

Sneijder doesn't deserve the golden boot, two at least have been deflections

transylman

I know who i'll be supporting in the final. Not Holland.

everdead.ie

Have to say Perez for Uruguay has impressed me throughout

Pro. F

Boring, scrappy game.

At least the Uruguayans have the excuse of making the most of limited resources. Holland blow so hot and cold and are awful dirty. I really hope they get hammered in the final.

namloc1980

Holland are so dirty and ugly to watch. Spain or Germany to hammer them please.

PHB

Holland look good, but actually look and are dodgy at the back, keeper especially, compared to Germany and Spain who just look dodgy but still have yet to show it.

Well done to Holland, deserve to be in the final with their amazing run of victories. Going to be an interesting one.

jaykay74

Don't get all the holland hate bar van Bommel of course. I've enjoyed watching them.

I'd say Didi's head is wrecked.

Pro. F

Dunphy is right

steelcityblues

Hard luck Uruguay.... know it is a bit of a mute point, but if Suarez was there, I think they could have gone ahead tonight!

people overeacting about this Holland team, along with the RTE heads right now.

It may not be Rinus Michels like stuff out there, but do you want Greece 2004, or even Italy 2006 back?

transylman

transylman wrote: »

I know who i'll be supporting in the final. Not Holland.

Who are they?

Anything to Nots Forest?

redout

Southgate reckons the Dutch are well dodgy at the back.

steelcityblues

redout wrote: »

Southgate reckons the Dutch are well dodgy at the back.

But can they take penalties?

Nalz

Pro. F wrote: »

Dunphy is right

He's a clown though. He argued with Ronnie Whelan that Hernandez was offside even though he was inline with Gallas' foot in the Mexico France game. Claiming the foot was nothing got to do with it and its the full body. But when Van Persie was offside today (which he was) he was all over it. "Rough decision" bla bla bla, great tv and entertainment....but he just doesnt know what he thinks half the time

dfx-

Van Bommel has spent an entire pretty successful career tackling his way through people...it's not just now.

Delighted Uruguay are out. Netherlands were there for the taking at 1-1 and all they could muster was a couple of Forlan long shots. Again always much more threatening when behind.

Mr.Nice Guy

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Ush1

Trilla wrote: »

He's a clown though. He argued with Ronnie Whelan that Hernandez was offside even though he was inline with Gallas' foot in the Mexico France game. Claiming the foot was nothing got to do with it and its the full body. But when Van Persie was offside today (which he was) he was all over it. "Rough decision" bla bla bla, great tv and entertainment....but he just doesnt know what he thinks half the time

Hernandez was offside and it was with Abidal. Any part of your body that can play the ball is an offside call.

CorkMan

Mr.Nice Guy wrote: »

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North Korea here we come!

Thank God! If you went to England you'd have to bow to every statue of Bobby Moore you see!

Pro. F

Trilla wrote: »

He's a clown though. He argued with Ronnie Whelan that Hernandez was offside even though he was inline with Gallas' foot in the Mexico France game. Claiming the foot was nothing got to do with it and its the full body. But when Van Persie was offside today (which he was) he was all over it. "Rough decision" bla bla bla, great tv and entertainment....but he just doesnt know what he thinks half the time

Dunphy does talk a lot of nonsense but he was right about this offside and, iirc, the Hernandez one too. You're offside if any part of your body that you can play the ball with is ahead of the defender.

Aside from the offside, I more meant that he's right on his bigger point about FIFA harming football with their ineptitude.

parker kent

Trilla wrote: »

He's a clown though. He argued with Ronnie Whelan that Hernandez was offside even though he was inline with Gallas' foot in the Mexico France game. Claiming the foot was nothing got to do with it and its the full body. But when Van Persie was offside today (which he was) he was all over it. "Rough decision" bla bla bla, great tv and entertainment....but he just doesnt know what he thinks half the time

But the full body is how you judge...any part of the body that you can score a goal with.

irishh_bob

CorkMan wrote: »

Thank God! If you went to England you'd have to bow to every statue of Bobby Moore you see!

as opposed to bowing to statues of the GREAT LEADER all over pyongang

Nalz

Ush1 wrote: »

Hernandez was offside and it was with Abidal. Any part of your body that can play the ball is an offside call.

Incorrect... on both counts. He was onside. He was inline with the players foot. I'm not going to dwell on this cas its got very little to do with tonight

GALLAS' foot BOOOM

http://www.101greatgoals.com/videodisplay/6007123/

http://www.101greatgoals.com/rtes-pundits-dunphy-whelan-fail-to-understand-the-offside-rule-javier-hernandez-goal-vs-france/57498/

Manchester United fans will have been jumping for joy on Thursday night after watching Javier Hernandez come off the bench for Mexico and turn the match for El Tri with a superb goal in the 64th minutes.

Playing on the shoulder of William Gallas, Chicharito timed his run to perfection to latched onto Cuauhtemoc Blanco’s superb ball-over-the-top before rounding keeper Hugo Lloris to open the scoring. (Watch the goal here.)

Despite video evidence showing that Hernandez was bang-smack level with Gallas when the pass was played, Irish pundits Eamonn Dunphy and Ronnie Whelan struggled to decide whether the goal was offside or not during their post-match analysis on RTE. It was a sad turn of events for the usually lazer-sharp talking-heads, as they showed themselves to have trouble with understanding the offside rule.

steelcityblues

Who cares? Nearly everyone knew France were not gonna win on that night, offside goal or not!

Neil3030

Could someone please clear this up -

Schneider's shot was deflected by a Uruguayan into Van Persie's path - does this not play him on?

inforfun

Neil3030 wrote: »

Could someone please clear this up -

Schneider's shot was deflected by a Uruguayan into Van Persie's path - does this not play him on?

Nope. Sneiders shot first goes direction Van Persie and only then gets the touch from the defender. Moment of Sneider hitting the ball is what counts. whatever happens after that doesnt matter.
Only a pass from a defender wouldnt make it off side

Pro. F

Trilla wrote: »

Incorrect... on both counts. He was onside. He was inline with the players foot. I'm not going to dwell on this cas its got very little to do with tonight

GALLAS' foot BOOOM

http://www.101greatgoals.com/videodisplay/6007123/

http://www.101greatgoals.com/rtes-pundits-dunphy-whelan-fail-to-understand-the-offside-rule-javier-hernandez-goal-vs-france/57498/

To me, looking at that picture his head is ahead of Gales' foot. Although it is hard to tell.

From what I remember (I can't watch the video now)it was Eamo who knew how the rule worked while Whelan, as usual, was completely clueless.

SlickRic

firstly, well done Holland.

now, i'm about to watch the highlights, but it doesn't surprise me to read that Holland have been dirty bastards.

van Bommel in particular. i cannot stand him.

Barr

Well played Holland, they deserved the win.

fryup

SlickRic wrote: »

firstly, well done Holland.

now, i'm about to watch the highlights, but it doesn't surprise me to read that Holland have been dirty bastards.

van Bommel in particular. i cannot stand him.

the thing about van bommel is he doesn't look particularly hard, but my word he certainly plays hard

he's a liability to holland he could get red carded in the final

carlop

fryup wrote: »

the thing about van bommel is he doesn't look particularly hard, but my word he certainly plays hard

he's a liability to holland he could get red carded in the final

As much as I hate him, he is certainly not a liability, he performs a very important role for his team, and seems to have a Richie McCaw-like ability to get away with breaking the rules.

Pro. F

carlop wrote: »

As much as I hate him, he is certainly not a liability, he performs a very important role for his team, and seems to have a Richie McCaw-like ability to get away with breaking the rules.

Anybody who throws around so many reckless challenges is a liability.

He performs in an important role but he does a poor job of it and he's been massively riding his luck this tournament. Himself and de Jong, the pair of them are the same. They also both give the ball away cheaply.

Degag

PHB wrote: »

Holland look good, but actually look and are dodgy at the back, keeper especially, compared to Germany and Spain who just look dodgy but still have yet to show it.

Well done to Holland, deserve to be in the final with their amazing run of victories. Going to be an interesting one.

I agree, i've enjoyed Holland. The move tonight where Robben tried to chip the keeper late on was breathtaking.

Pepe LeFrits

Happy to see Holland win but it's hard to foresee them putting up much resistance against either Germany or Spain. Defensively they're shaky and going forward they are extremely disjointed. They played better once they had van der Vaart on linking things together nicely but he'll probably return to the bench to accommodate De Jong. Sneijder's goals have masked some very unimpressive performances and Robben is just so greedy.

pickarooney

_Bella_ wrote: »

Sneijder doesn't deserve the golden boot, two at least have been deflections

I don't reckon defelcted shots are any less worthy of a golden boot than tap-ins from half a yard. Considering the number of passes and the rest of his contributions he would be a worthy winner IMO.

I wonder if Holland's tendency to tune out in the final minutes will come back to haunt them in the final. Injury time goals against Slovakia and Uruguay seem harmless now but this and their complete inability to finish off moves against Brazil and now Urugauy late on could be fatal.

Ush1

Trilla wrote: »

Incorrect... on both counts. He was onside. He was inline with the players foot. I'm not going to dwell on this cas its got very little to do with tonight

GALLAS' foot BOOOM

http://www.101greatgoals.com/videodisplay/6007123/

http://www.101greatgoals.com/rtes-pundits-dunphy-whelan-fail-to-understand-the-offside-rule-javier-hernandez-goal-vs-france/57498/

No I'm not wrong.
You can see quite clearly the number 3 on the back of the players shirt, it's Eric Abidal.

Here's a HD clip if you still can't make him out:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iDyQ-3CyMU8

Second, he is offside. His head is in an offside position. That camera angle is also misleading.

NabyLadistheman

Felt sorry for Forlan last night. He's has some tournament, Proved he truly is world class, all this after a great season with Athleti. I think the injuries & suspensions cost Uruguay. Id worry for Holland as there defense & goalkeeper can be got at

JP Liz V1

Holland in a WC final who would have expected this from the start :eek:

CR 7

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

Holland in a WC final who would have expected this from the start :eek:

Someone's feeling rather smug now, I'd say.

Prufrock

I feel for Uruguay. Hollands first goal came right after a "red card" challenge from Van Bommel. Cracking strike though. There is an arguement for offside about the second dutch goal aswell.

Van Bommel should have been sent off against Brazil and should have been sent off against Uruguay. His habbit of going over the top of the ball in the WC, CL and the german league is dangerous, nasty and theres no place for it in football. Also Boulahrouz had a mad 5 minutes where he dove into tackles. Already on a yellow he decided to go to ground which could have lead to another yellow. Very lucky boy.

The manager for Uruguay did what most managers couldn't do this year. He developed a formation that got the most out of his best player, Forlan. Hes had a great WC.

I think its a shame that a great player like Forlan will never play in a WC final now and a player like Van Bommel will. Thats not to take anything away from the dutch. They've done what they had to do and made it to the final. Well done and good luck to them.

Nalz

Ush1 wrote: »

No I'm not wrong.
You can see quite clearly the number 3 on the back of the players shirt, it's Eric Abidal.

Here's a HD clip if you still can't make him out:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iDyQ-3CyMU8

Second, he is offside. His head is in an offside position. That camera angle is also misleading.

Good catch on the Abidal. I and the website wrong. It strengthens my point about how clueless Dunphy can be!

I still think he's onside as that line is parralel with the midfield line, and his foot is ahead of his head and in line with Gallas I mean Abidals foot . Thats my last input on the matter...dont want to clog this thread with it!