WWE PPV buyrates, Sky Box Office buys/viewing rates?

rovert

jaykhunter wrote: »

Rovert : happiest man in the world!

Currently this pretty much the case.

starviewadams

MMA is good craic in fairness,just back from an amateur show that my mate was fighting on and it was great fun,a fella even juiced!

But I still prefer my auld sports entertainment!

rovert

http://pwtorch.com/artman2/publish/WWE_News_3/article_56192.shtml

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WWE has released a preliminary Survivor Series PPV figure of 280,000 total buys. The buy total for The Rock's big return match teaming with John Cena will likely grow by the time WWE reports fourth quarter earnings result, as the preliminary total is only through the end of November.

The estimate compares to 244,000 official buys for Survivor Series 2010 and 235,000 buys for Survivor Series 2009, which nearly got Survivor Series scrapped from the PPV line-up.

Through three events in the fourth quarter, WWE has reported an average of 194,000 buys per event. The October PPVs - Vengeance and Hell in a Cell with a combined 302,000 buys - dragged down the quarterly average. Still to be accounted for is last week's TLC PPV.

The current third quarter domestic split is 56 percent, although the actual split for Survivor Series will likely come in higher. Applying the percentage to Survivor Series, the preliminary estimate would be 156,800 domestic buys.

Caldwell's Analysis: The bar has been set so low for non-WrestleMania PPVs over the past few years that the Survivor Series buy total almost seems acceptable, but for Rock's first match in eight years, that's a poor result, even when more buys will be added to the total when the fourth quarter earnings report is released. Specific to Survivor Series, I felt WWE did a poor job promoting Rock's return match, especially having a three-hour Raw the week before the PPV. Also, WWE continues to ask a steep price for non-WrestleMania PPVs when the company has a track record of inconsistency.

GTR63

Jesus Christ 280k buys thats terrible, I was expecting 3 times that. Was the UFC on that weekend or that. The build up was terrible alrite but i'm amazed at this news.

Machismo Fan

GTR63 wrote: »

Jesus Christ 280k buys thats terrible, I was expecting 3 times that. Was the UFC on that weekend or that. The build up was terrible alrite but i'm amazed at this news.

It's entirely their own fault, they did everything within their power to detract people from buying that show. It should've hit 400,000 minimum.

GTR63

Machismo Fan wrote: »

It's entirely their own fault, they did everything within their power to detract people from buying that show. It should've hit 400,000 minimum.

I chose not to buy it after Cena and The Rock ran over Awesome Truth on the Raw before it. I remember i'd my head in my hands thinking why are they doing this 6 days before the ppv it was even harder to take Awesome Truth as a serious after that.

rovert

Machismo Fan wrote: »

It's entirely their own fault, they did everything within their power to detract people from buying that show. It should've hit 400,000 minimum.

I read this line on the F4W board and I thought it nailed it:

This is what happens when you put a guy with a faux hawk in the Main Event.

:pac:

rossie1977

GTR63 wrote: »

Jesus Christ 280k buys thats terrible, I was expecting 3 times that. Was the UFC on that weekend or that. The build up was terrible alrite but i'm amazed at this news.

ufc 139 was on night before (shogun vs henderson)

you really thought survivor series was going to do 840k buys :eek: thats more than rocks last singles match at mania did

GTR63

rossie1977 wrote: »

ufc 139 was on night before (shogun vs henderson)

you really thought survivor series was going to do 840k buys :eek: thats more than rocks last singles match at mania did

I was thinking 750-800k. Mania did 1.3m (I think)so I was expecting a drop not the arse falling out of it. The Rock's first in ring appearance too and not just him rabbiting on for aaaaages on the mic like he did at Mania. Shogun vs Hendo was great but I doubt it did a huge number

gnfnrhead

Honestly, I was expecting 600-700k myself. The Rock making his in ring return and it doesnt even break 300k? Thats pretty awful no matter what way you look at it.

It'll hopefully be a good sign though as it should show WWE that they cant just stick The Rock out there and get a huge number. They'll need to put some actual effort in to avoid Wrestlemania being a disaster. I dont mean 300k or anything, but Wrestlemania is pretty much expected to be pushing 1m most years, if they dont put the effort in to Rock/Cena I cant see them getting that high.

This number has shown that they need the effort before hand to have any chance of a good showing.

the groutch

Cena is a bit of a poisoned chalice imo, he's still over with the kids, but the prospect of him (with partner this time) vs generic heel(s) is killing the buyrate.

Will be interesting to see the TLC buyrates, but I expect to see my suspicions confirmed when the first Cena-less PPV in yonks pulls in solid numbers.

rovert

the groutch wrote: »

Will be interesting to see the TLC buyrates, but I expect to see my suspicions confirmed when the first Cena-less PPV in yonks pulls in solid numbers.

Id put money that the opposite is true. Weak build, coming after a 7 hours of first run programming with Raw, Smackdown and Tribute to the Troop and this close to Christmas.

Rjd2

Dread to think what thy would have done without Rock though!

Its worse than the dire Summerfest buyrate and while Survivor Series has lest prestige over the years with The Rock's first match in years as MF said it should have done close to the 400 000 mark.

rossie1977

wwe are claiming 632k total buys for october/november ppvs which would actually put survivor series doing around 330k if vengeance and hiac did a combined 302,000 buys http://ir.corporate.wwe.com/interactive/LookAndFeel/4121687/WWE-keyperformance.pdf

the groutch

rossie1977 wrote: »

wwe are claiming 632k total buys for october/november ppvs which would actually put survivor series doing around 330k if vengeance and hiac did a combined 302,000 buys http://ir.corporate.wwe.com/interactive/LookAndFeel/4121687/WWE-keyperformance.pdf

still woefully bad for one of the Big Four

rovert

From the latest Observer covering 2011

ESTIMATED NORTH AMERICAN BUYS
1,410,000 - Manny Pacquiao vs. Juan Manuel Marquez
1,250,000 - Floyd Mayweather Jr. vs. Victor Ortiz
1,100,000 - Manny Pacquiao vs. Shane Mosley
800,000 - UFC 129 (St. Pierre vs. Shields)
785,000 - UFC 124 (St. Pierre vs. Koscheck)
725,000 - UFC 126 (Anderson Silva vs. Belfort)
679,000 - WWE WrestleMania (Cena vs. Miz/Rock ref)
600,000 - Miguel Cotto vs. Antonio Margarito
520,000 - UFC 133 (Jon Jones vs. Jackson)
490,000 - UFC 128 (Rua vs. Jon Jones)
480,000 - UFC 140 (Jon Jones vs. Machida)
335,000 - UFC 134 (Anderson Silva vs. Okami)
330,000 - UFC 131 (Dos Santos vs. Carwin)
325,000 - UFC 130 (Jackson vs. Hamill)
320,000 - UFC 132 (Faber vs. Cruz)
310,000 - UFC 133 (Ortiz vs. Evans)
290,000 - UFC 139 (Henderson vs. Rua)
281,000 - WWE Royal Rumble
280,000 - UFC 137 (Penn vs. Diaz)
260,000 - UFC 125 (Edgar vs. Maynard)
260,000 - UFC 127 (Penn vs. Fitch)
225,000 - UFC 136 (Edgar vs. Maynard)
200,000 - Miguel Cotto vs. Ricardo Mayorga
177,000 - WWE SummerSlam (Cena vs. Punk; HHH referee)
160,000 - WWE Survivor Series (Cena & Rock vs. Miz & R-Truth)
145,000 - WWE Elimination Chamber (Cena vs. Punk vs. Morrison vs. Sheamus vs. Orton vs. R-Truth)
144,000 - WWE Money in the Bank (Cena vs. Punk)
108,000 - WWE Extreme Rules (Cena vs. Miz vs. Morrison cage)
108,000 - WWE Night of Champions (HHH vs. Punk)
101,000 - WWE TLC 2010 (Cena vs. Barrett)
93,000 - WWE Hell in a Cell (Cena vs. Del Rio vs. Punk)
85,000 - WWE Capital Punishment (Cena vs. R-Truth)
72,000 - WWE Over the Limit (Cena vs. Miz I Quit)
70,000 - WWE Vengeance (HHH & Punk vs. Miz & Truth; Del Rio vs. Cena)

Pay Per View is a dying business lads :P

gnfnrhead

Knock off one or two zeros and you'll roughly have TNA's buy rates too

the groutch

gnfnrhead wrote: »

Knock off one or two three zeros and you'll roughly have TNA's buy rates too

FYP

GTR63

Source: Pwtorch.com
The Pro Wrestling Torch reports that
the WWE Royal Rumble PPV did approximately 438,000 buys. WWE released the number as part of their
monthly business figures that they
release on the last day of the month. 438,000 buys is down from the
446,000 buys that the Royal Rumble did in 2011 and the 462,000 buys the show did in 2010. 272,000 of the 438,000 buys were in the United States, while 166,000 buys were international. Here are the buys for the last six Royal Rumble PPVs. The Rumble is usually the second-most bought PPV of the
year for WWE behind WrestleMania. 2007 - 491,000 buys
2008 - 533,000 buys
2009 - 450,000 buys
2010 - 462,000 buys (price increased $5 starting this year)
2011 - 446,000 buys
2012 - 438,000 buys (preliminary estimate)

jaykhunter

Do we have official figures for the last few PPVs of 2011?

Machismo Fan

jaykhunter wrote: »

Do we have official figures for the last few PPVs of 2011?

Hell in a Cell did 182,000 (vs. 210,000 last year), Vengeance did 121,000 (137,00 last year for Bragging Rights), Survivor Series did 281,000 (244,000) and TLC did 179,000 (195,000).
http://pwinsider.com/article/66105/wwe-ppv-buyrates-update.html?p=1

Charisteas

GTR63 wrote: »

WWE Royal Rumble PPV did approximately 438,000 buys. 438,000 buys is down from the
446,000 buys that the Royal Rumble did in 2011

I'd say they took a hit from the Hispanic market by not having Mysterio, Del Rio, or Sin Cara on the card.

Charisteas

Machismo Fan wrote: »

Survivor Series did 281,000 (244,000)

So Dwayne only added 37,000 buys, I was expecting closer to 100,000 more than last year.

Mr. Guappa

Charisteas wrote: »

So Dwayne only added 37,000 buys, I was expecting closer to 100,000 more than last year.

The three PPVs either side of Survivor Series drew 28,000, 16,000 and 16,000 less buys than last year respectively, so using that trend you could argue that Rock added 55-60,000 buys to the Survivor Series number, which is a minor miracle given the shambolic state of the build for Rock/Cena v Miz/Truth.

rossie1977

Rumble 476k (+11k)
E Chamber 212k (-75k)
Wrestlemania 1124k (+239k)
Extreme rules 216k (+15k)
Over the limit 145k (-73k)
Cap Pun 176k (+16k)
MITB 205k (+41k)
SSlam 311k (-38k)
NOC 169k (+4k)
HIAC 182k (-28k)
Vengence 121k (-16k)
SSeries 281k (+37k)
TLC 179k (-16k)

Total 3797k (+119k)

source: wrestling observer

jaykhunter

Great success rossie! So Rock (Mania/Series) and Punk (MITB) should be commended for PPVs going the right way

I am glad that WWE haven't hit the panic button with Punk. Still hasn't had a decent feud since he won the belt

D.Q

jaykhunter wrote: »

Great success rossie! So Rock (Mania/Series) and Punk (MITB) should be commended for PPVs going the right way

I am glad that WWE haven't hit the panic button with Punk. Still hasn't had a decent feud since he won the belt

I'd hope he's starting it now!

Mr.Nice Guy

Wrestlemania's name value seems to be immense.

I'm just wondering seeing as Summerslam has in the past been termed 'the Wrestlemania of the summer', suppose hypothetically they were to change its name to 'Wrestlemania: Summertime' or something along those lines, would this add significant buys?

gnfnrhead

Mr.Nice Guy wrote: »

Wrestlemania's name value seems to be immense.

I'm just wondering seeing as Summerslam has in the past been termed 'the Wrestlemania of the summer', suppose hypothetically they were to change its name to 'Wrestlemania: Summertime' or something along those lines, would this add significant buys?

Summerslam would get better numbers if they treated it like the Summer Wrestlemania. They dont. It's treated like every other PPV but with some nicer wording for the previews.

CMpunked

Mr.Nice Guy wrote: »

Wrestlemania's name value seems to be immense.

I'm just wondering seeing as Summerslam has in the past been termed 'the Wrestlemania of the summer', suppose hypothetically they were to change its name to 'Wrestlemania: Summertime' or something along those lines, would this add significant buys?

Summer-Mania?

GTR63

CMpunked wrote: »

Summer-Mania?

Nah Summer-Fest=$$$$$

GTR63

WWE's latest business figures include a preliminary estimate buyrate for the Elimination Chamber PPV. The figures estimate the buys at 180,000, down from 199,000 in 2011 and 285,000 in 2010. Ouch. The number is based on WWE reporting 309,000 average buys in
the first quarter and the Royal Rumble estimate being 438,000 buys.

Rjd2

gnfnrhead wrote: »

Summerslam would get better numbers if they treated it like the Summer Wrestlemania. They dont. It's treated like every other PPV but with some nicer wording for the previews.

But its the party of the summer:P

Rjd2

WWE has released monthly business figures for May (reflecting business through April 30) that includes the following preliminary PPV buys information:

-- The preliminary buy total for Extreme Rules is 251,000 PPV buys. This is reflected in WWE's chart showing 147,000 domestic buys and 104,000 international buys. The official total for Brock Lesnar's PPV return match will be reported in the second quarter 2012 earnings later this year.

-- WWE's revised WrestleMania 28 PPV buy total is 1.21 million buys, down from a reported 1.30 million buys. WWE CEO Vince McMahon noted in a quarterly conference call earlier this month that buys were "slightly lower" than the 1.30 million figure WWE announced after WM28.

The math to get to 1.21 million buys is reflected in WWE's chart for the current period (April). The average buys for the two events in April was 732,000, which is a product of Extreme Rules's 251,000 buys and the WM28 figure.

WWE did not release a preliminary break down of domestic vs. international buys for WrestleMania.


http://pwtorch.com/artman2/publish/WWE_News_3/article_61731.shtml

Rjd2

http://pwtorch.com/artman2/publish/WWE_News_3/article_64607.shtml


The preliminary PPV buys estimate for WWE's Money in the Bank PPV is 196,000 buys, which is nearly dead-even with 195,000 buys for last year's MITB PPV featuring C.M. Punk vs. John Cena in Punk's hometown.

An official MITB PPV buys figure will be reported in WWE's third quarter 2012 earnings later this year. WWE released Friday night their monthly business figures, which included a split of domestic and international MITB PPV buys.

The break down is 108,000 domestic buys (55 percent) and 88,000 international buys (45 percent). Over the course of a year, the PPV split typically averages out to 60/40. The preliminary estimate shows MITB leaned more toward the international side this year.

The PPV was headlined by John Cena's first-ever Money in the Bank match appearance, plus C.M. Punk vs. Daniel Bryan for the WWE Title with A.J. as special referee before WWE cooled her off in the Raw GM role.

Both the 2011 and 2012 editions mark a step up for the MITB-branded PPV. In 2010, the PPV drew 165,000 buys, but it was the first year of WWE's $5 price increase. In July 2009, the Night of Champions PPV drew 267,000 buys at the lower price point.

rossie1977

Rumble 483k (+7k)
E Chamber 194k (-18k)
Wrestlemania 28 1217k (+93k)
Extreme rules 263k (+47k)
Over the limit 167k (+22k)
NWO 194k (+18k)

Total 2518k (+169k)

source: observer

just to point out mania 28 is ahead of mania 23 at this same stage, late buys added in 3rd quarter may put it over the 1.25 million buys all-time record mania 23 did back in 2007

the updated figure for survivor series 2011 is now 312,000 buys, up from the reported 281,000

jaykhunter

rossie1977 wrote: »

Wrestlemania 28 1217k (+93,000)

I hear it was closer to 78,000 :pac:

Charisteas

jaykhunter wrote: »

I hear it was closer to 78,000 :pac:

Rjd2

http://pwtorch.com/artman2/publish/WWE_News_3/article_65546.shtml

WWE released Tuesday their monthly business figures, which includes a preliminary estimate of 350,000 PPV buys for Summerslam headlined by Brock Lesnar vs. Triple H.

The preliminary figure for WWE's August PPV is up 18 percent compared to the 2011 event, which was headlined by John Cena vs. C.M. Punk in a rushed WWE Title unification match. The 2012 PPV is dead-even with the 2010 event, which was headlined by Team WWE vs. Team Nexus.

This year's Summerslam buy total will change after adjustments are made prior to reporting Third Quarter 2012 results later this year.

The preliminary Summerslam figure is the product of WWE reporting an average of 273,000 buys for the first two events in Q3-2012. The first PPV of the quarter, Money in the Bank, drew a preliminary total of 196,000 buys. Summerslam's prelim figure of 350,000 buys averaged with MITB results in the 273,000 average.

jaykhunter

Just take the SummerSlam estimate as more of a guess. Remember WrestleMania 28's estimates went from 1.9m, 1.4m, 1.2m before settling at 1.1m.

The estimate's also showing that it's good news for domestic (Brock draws in the US) but not at all internationally (266k US vs 84k international) credit

GTR63

I'm more likely to order a ppv if Lesnar is on the card but i'd be wary of ordering another match of his unless i'm promised it won't be a straight up match cause the SummerSlam main event wasn't great and he hasn't bothered trying to improve his in ring work.

rossie1977

jaykhunter wrote: »

Just take the SummerSlam estimate as more of a guess. Remember WrestleMania 28's estimates went from 1.9m, 1.4m, 1.2m before settling at 1.1m.

wwe never estimated mania 28 to be 1.9m (that was some journalist), never heard a 1.4m estimation, the first number wwe estimated was 1.3m about 2 weeks after mania http://www.wwe.com/shows/wrestlemania/28/wrestlemania-ppv-record

key performance indicators 6-8 weeks after a show are much more accurate than early estimations, early estimations are based on trends and its why you see alot of ufc numbers off, the first KPI for mania (late may) was 1.21 million, which ended up being the number they reported to wall street in august

gnfnrhead

GTR63 wrote: »

I'm more likely to order a ppv if Lesnar is on the card but i'd be wary of ordering another match of his unless i'm promised it won't be a straight up match cause the SummerSlam main event wasn't great and he hasn't bothered trying to improve his in ring work.

Why would he? He's getting paid several million for probably less than five matches. I wouldn't be too fussed either if I knew I was going back to my farm with a lot of money when the dates run out.

GTR63

gnfnrhead wrote: »

Why would he? He's getting paid several million for probably less than five matches. I wouldn't be too fussed either if I knew I was going back to my farm with a lot of money when the dates run out.

Best part time job on earth. Throw a few forearms, put in a kimura and a bit of a F-5. I just expected that wwe would of had him work off his ring rust(like The Rock did even though he has a career outside wwe) especially with the money involved.

Rjd2

The 2012 Night Of Champion garnered 189,000 worldwide pay-per-view buys. The event did 100,000 buys in North America and 89,000 internationally.
This year's card was headlined by WWE Champion CM Punk and John Cena fighting to a draw.

For the third quarter of 2012, WWE averaged 245K pay-per-buys (158K in North America, 87K international), up 13% from the same quarter last year which averaged 217K buys (140K from North America, 77K international).

J. Marston

Ratings are down but PPV buys are up. Weird.

jaykhunter

J. Marston wrote: »

Ratings are down but PPV buys are up. Weird.

Maybe people are like myself, where 3 hours is just too much (so I find myself skipping it these days) and just tune in for the PPV. 3 hour RAWs are hurting my enjoyment of PPVs i find; and I'd rather just tune in for the big shows but not The Big Show :pac:

D2D

As released by WWE earlier today in the company's third quarter earnings for 2012, the following is the official Pay Per View buyrates for events in July, August & September.

WWE Money in the Bank (7/15/12): 188,000 buys (down from 195,000 in 2011)

WWE Summerslam (8/19/12): 358,000 buys (up from 296,000 in 2011)

WWE Night of Champions (9/16/12): 189,000 buys (up from 161,000 in 2011)

DM_7

I agree that 3 hours is the real reason tv ratings are down.

In a twisted way I think PPVs may stay on the up thanks to the 3 hours.

the 3 hour shows have helped guys like Sandow, who in the past would be stuck with a few minutes and forgotten about, become important. That makes things look fresher and makes me more interested in PPVs. Without the tag team battles he could easily be left with nothing to do.

Also in the past people like Daniel Bryan, coming down from WHC run and a WWE title chase would have struggled to get wothwhile tv time to keep him looking important. See Miz as an example, he is only recovering now from moving out of the title picture.

jaykhunter

Someone do me a favour - i couldn't find it looking for it - which PPVs in UK/Ire and on Sky Box Office and which are free w/ Sky Sports? I know Rumble, Mania are on S.B.O.

January - Royal Rumble - SBO
February - Elimination Chamber - FREE
Early April - WrestleMania - SBO
Late April - Extreme Rules -
May - Over the Limit -
June - No Way Out -
July - Money in the Bank -
August - SummerSlam -
September - Night of Champions -
October - Hell in a Cell -
November - Survivor Series -
December - TLC: Tables, Ladders & Chairs -