Brothers wreck pub,90k bill in Damages....WTF??

thebullkf

Hi folks dunno if its already been posted but...

Seven brothers were among a group of people who violently took over a pub and caused €90,000 of damage in a scene like a battle zone, a court heard yesterday.
After over an hour, the pub in Balbriggan, Co Dublin had to be recaptured by a garda riot squad. The men are to be sentenced later this month at Dublin Circuit Criminal Court.
Martin (41), David (37), Brian (31), Christopher (27), Paul (26), William (25) and Stephen (24) Lawrence all pleaded guilty to violent disorder at John D's Pub, Dublin Road, Balbriggan, on Monday, May 4, 2009.
The Lawrence brothers comprised four Balbriggan men: David, of Gardiners Hill; Paul, of Hamilton Terrace; William, of Milara Court; and Stephen, of Pinewood Green Road; along with Martin, of the Dunes, Enniscrone, Co Sligo; Brian, of Talbot Hall, Applewood, Swords, Co Dublin; and Christopher, of Mourne Park, Skerries, Co Dublin. Sergeant Liam Donahue told Garrett Baker, prosecuting, that the pub had been under the control of the group for about an hour-and-three -quarters before being reclaimed by force by the garda public order unit.
Damage
The damage to the pub cost €90,000 to be repaired. He said William Roe had taken the lease on the pub 11 months beforehand and spent about €45,000 decorating and fireproofing it.
He told gardai the scene inside the pub was "similar to a battle zone" after the incident.
Sgt Donahue said there were no physical injuries caused but William and Sinead Roe are unemployed as a result.
Televisions, furniture, beer pumps, shelves and plaster work were smashed and 103 panes of glass had to be refitted. A snooker table was pushed up against a back door to prevent gardai gaining access.
Mr Roe told gardai the Lawrence family had been in the pub since afternoon and drank around five pints each.
Sgt Donahue said Mr Roe received a phone call from a member of staff at about 6.30pm that day to say that David Lawrence, who was barred from the pub, had been refused a drink.
Mr Roe said he would come down to the pub and on his way met a garda and told him of the situation. Mr Roe waited outside while the garda went inside. He heard furniture being smashed and people calling out: "Travellers' rights."
A barman working in the pub said that, when David arrived in the pub, he was aware he had been barred. Mr Roe's niece, Rachael McDonagh, heard him say: "F**k Willie and f**k his bar, I am the barman now".
David Lawrence was observed on CCTV behind the bar helping himself to drinks.
Sinead Roe said she told David to get out from behind the bar and he threw a bottle which smashed against a wall.
Gardai retreated until the public order unit arrived at 8.20 pm and while they attempted to gain entry David sprayed a fire extinguisher out through a broken window. They successfully reclaimed the pub at 8.45pm.
Defence counsel for the seven men expressed remorse and brought to court sums of money as compensation which totalled approximately €9,000. The men had entered guilty pleas and counsel asked the court to show what leniency it could.

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/courts/euro90000-bill-for-repairs-as-brothers-wreck-local-pub-2250264.html





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wtf is wrong with people?


i assume they're travellers.....

do they deserve their bad reputation?..


..whats your view?


only 9k compo between them....*gets violently sick*

PeakOutput

the ole travellers really dont do themselves much favours do they?

ill give any individul as much chance as anyone else but is it a coincidence the same surnames keep popping up over and over?

i hope they get a few years but they wont and they know it

easyeason3

Cream Crackers + alcohol = lots of damage.

dr.bollocko

Did they finally get that Sarah Connor bitch?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LTs8YnKfSsU

thebullkf

tx for the views....



don't discriminatre myself but is it any wonder pubs close whenever
a jojo dies....

or

gets married.?

skelliser

Never fear the PC police will be along any minute to tell us straight. That these people have been oppressed all their lives and that we should in fact pay them 9,000 in compensation.

My name is URL

skelliser wrote: »

Never fear the PC police will be along any minute to tell us straight. That these people have been oppressed all their lives and that we should in fact pay them 9,000 in compensation.

Even if they were oppressed they're still criminals. I don't think anyone would argue otherwise. As for them being shown leniency, that's the court's problem

super_furry

And yet they scream and cry foul when publicans don't want to serve them in bars.

daveyboy_1ie

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6_WNvNQUYAU


Coincidentally I had seen this clip on YouTube a few weeks ago, when I heard about it on the news driving home last night I thought it MUST be the same incident. Poor bar owner, place was destroyed by all accounts. there are always three sides to every story but no one has the right to do this to someone elses property

Noffles

Let them all batter the ****e out of each other....

the keen edge

90k worth of damage? Whimps.

When the Nolan sisters were touring England in the mid seventies, 90k worth of damage would of been considered a 'quite' night.

thebullkf

daveyboy_1ie wrote: »

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6_WNvNQUYAU&feature=fvw
Coincidentally I had seen this clip on YouTube a few weeks ago, when I heard about it on the news driving home last night I thought it MUST be the same incident. Poor bar owner, place was destroyed by all accounts.

fcukin animals.

Sir Gallagher

skelliser wrote: »

Never fear the PC police will be along any minute to tell us straight. That these people have been oppressed all their lives and that we should in fact pay them 9,000 in compensation.

Skelliser's rebel... with a devil may care attitude.

My name is URL

daveyboy_1ie wrote: »

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6_WNvNQUYAU


Coincidentally I had seen this clip on YouTube a few weeks ago, when I heard about it on the news driving home last night I thought it MUST be the same incident. Poor bar owner, place was destroyed by all accounts. there are always three sides to every story but no one has the right to do this to someone elses property

Feckin scobes screaming in the background should have been jumped on by the Gardai next

dr.bollocko

skelliser wrote: »

Never fear the PC police will be along any minute to tell us straight. That these people have been oppressed all their lives and that we should in fact pay them 9,000 in compensation.

I DEMANDSZ THE RITE TO DISKRIMINATEZ!
I PAYZ MEIN TAXES!

thebullkf

one of the few occasions i feel sorry for a publican.


and because of these inbred,smokey-bellied pi$$ ant fúcks

both he and his wife are unemployed now...:mad:



{i'm not a publican/related in ayway btw.}

Biggins

I think they are all lovely little lads and and were misunderstood!

daveyboy_1ie

My name is URL wrote: »

Feckin scobes screaming in the background should have been jumped on by the Gardai next

Thats what got me most about the clip, it was like a favourite episode of some comedy to them and they were cheering and laughing at the Gardai. It's amazing what makes sense to some people.

professorpete

two thirds of the way down the article before it mentions 'Travellers'... ooohhhh I geddit now!!
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bonerm

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CrazyRabbit

10 year ban on alcohol consumption.
10 year ban from any venue that sells alcohol.
And then send them to some strict islamic country.

Now that's justice.

Frank Spencer

daveyboy_1ie wrote: »

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6_WNvNQUYAU


Coincidentally I had seen this clip on YouTube a few weeks ago, when I heard about it on the news driving home last night I thought it MUST be the same incident. Poor bar owner, place was destroyed by all accounts. there are always three sides to every story but no one has the right to do this to someone elses property

That's the incident alright. I witnessed what happened that evening and the scobies screaming and shouting were to say the least.

LarrytheLantern

daveyboy_1ie wrote: »

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6_WNvNQUYAU


Coincidentally I had seen this clip on YouTube a few weeks ago, when I heard about it on the news driving home last night I thought it MUST be the same incident. Poor bar owner, place was destroyed by all accounts. there are always three sides to every story but no one has the right to do this to someone elses property

"no one has the right to do this to someone elses property"
How can you say such a thing? It's their CULTURE, so they have every right!:(

StupidLikeAFox

haha, nutcases! Say that was some hangover

rovert

I hope they get a suspended sentence. THERE I SAID IT

LarrytheLantern

which ones are the knackas?
the ones in the pub, or the ones on the street with the phone-cams?

Tiny Explosions

LarrytheLantern wrote: »

which ones are the knackas?
the ones in the pub, or the ones on the street with the phone-cams?

The guys with the camera phones weren't breaking any laws or destroying anybody's property.

aDeener

rovert wrote: »

I hope they get a suspended sentence. THERE I SAID IT

you have taken quite well to trolling

LarrytheLantern

i know, can you imagine if the other lot got in!;)

rovert

aDeener wrote: »

you have taken quite well to trolling

Im not trolling just making fun at people's outrage over a type of sentence that is more serious than they think.

I bet they're granddad died 15 years ago and now these lads will get a suspended sentence because of the trauma and loss in their lives.
It's sad that the judge would rather go home, forget about it and take their chances that a different judge can deal with it when they go ruin someone elses livelihood again.

K-9

Waits for the PC Brigade.

And waits.....................

And waits....................

rovert

K-9 wrote: »

Waits for the PC Brigade.

And waits.....................

And waits....................

Nee naw nee naw

PeakOutput

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TheZohanS

PeakOutput wrote: »

so we have pikeys who think they can do what they want

Lot's of people think they can do what they want.

gardai who cant overwhelm a couple of drunk lads in a confined space

Gardai retreated until the public order unit arrived at 8.20 pm and while they attempted to gain entry David sprayed a fire extinguisher out through a broken window. They successfully reclaimed the pub at 8.45pm.

and a load of eejits standing around with nothing better to do then record it and stick it up on youtube and face****

sometimes......i despair for ireland

No law against what they(the eejits on the street) did, and if the Gardai had done anything you'd have people on here complaining about Po-lice brutality.

col.in.Cr

24,25,26,27
Gypsies,gotta love em


(take 2)

Auldloon

Scum:mad: Years ago I was walking through town late at night heading for "the" nightclub along with my friends 2 sisters. Walked around a corner and straight into a punch in the face. Wore specs at the time so they were broken and I was bruised and shocked. It was 3 travellers who had been doing this to guys walking alone or with girls.
What they didn't realise was just behind me were 4 of my mates, all 6 ft plus, handy and 2 of them boxers he he he
Man we wiped the streets with those scumbags. 20 years later that memory still makes me smile and I doubt they have forgotten it either.

Wagon

I have bought a campsite in balbriggan. I plan to surround it with high fences and some walls, where i shall hunt the deadliest game of all...

Man.

xoxyx

daveyboy_1ie wrote: »

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6_WNvNQUYAU

Jesus - that clip. Scumbags doesn't cover it!

col.in.Cr

Wagon wrote: »

I have bought a campsite in balbriggan. I plan to surround it with high fences and some walls, where i shall hunt the deadliest game of all...

Man.

See thats where your wrong

billy the squid

thebullkf wrote: »

Hi folks dunno if its already been posted but...









http://www.independent.ie/national-news/courts/euro90000-bill-for-repairs-as-brothers-wreck-local-pub-2250264.html





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wtf is wrong with people?[/qts" quote]

Some people are asshats. just happens to be a fact of life

i assume they're travellers.....[.quote]

They screamed "Travellers Rights " so that is a safe assumption.

do they deserve their bad reputation?..

No doubt the reputations of the men involved will be damaged by the events.

..whats your view?

the actions of these men should be condemned.

only 9k compo between them....*gets violently sick*

justice system is a failure in this country.

Lando Griffin

I am sick of waiting for the PC police so i will attempt it and by the way i am not trolling sir. You should not think that all people are the same, I blame the pub, its the against the law for the pub to serve drink to a person who is drunk which if they had the fifth pint they clearly were and in protest which got a little out of hand a bit of cosmetic damage was done to the pub nothing a lick of paint wouldnt fix

rovert

Lando Griffin wrote: »

PC police

The PC Bridge are holding them up

col.in.Cr

Lando Griffin wrote: »

I am sick of waiting for the PC police so i will attempt it and by the way i am not trolling sir. You should not think that all people are the same, I blame the pub, its the against the law for the pub to serve drink to a person who is drunk which if they had the fifth pint they clearly were and in protest which got a little out of hand a bit of cosmetic damage was done to the pub nothing a lick of paint wouldnt fix

Any chance you could put that in English?

Paparazzo

The people who did this are pure scumbags.
I read this article a few days ago:
http://www.independent.ie/opinion/columnists/ian-odoherty/ian-odoherty-travellers-must-solve-their-own-problems-2243184.html
If you can't be arsed reading the whole bit, here's a good line that sums it up: "What sort of bar owner wants to lose money? Have you ever met a publican who would happily lose a day's takings simply because his loathing of Travellers is so intense that he is prepared to cut off his economic nose to spite his racist face? It. Doesn't. Make. Sense."

You know what? You probably think that you're a good, kind, liberal soul who is kind to children and small animals, but there is a very good chance that you are, in fact, nothing but a racist bigot and you should be ashamed of yourself.

How do you test this?

Well, here's a simple way -- when police raided the Dunsink halting site a few years back, they found thousands of euros worth of stolen power tools; counterfeiting equipment; illegal diesel; stolen cars and a large cache of illegal fireworks (in fairness, we've all used fireworks at some stage, so there's no point in getting on our high horses over that one).

Six people were arrested in the operation.

Now, do you think that was a good day's work from the gardai? Well, then you're a racist, because that operation directly targeted a particular group in society.

Or how about the practice of setting up shop on football pitches?

It's a bloody infuriating scam involving Travellers demanding money from parents to move on so their kids can simply play a game of ball. Now, do you think that's a scam or simply a desperate attempt by a noble, nomadic tribe to find somewhere to live?

I remember talking to Vincent Browne about this a few years ago and he exploded with his tiresome, manufactured outrage that anyone who objected to Travellers setting on pitches was racist.

But what about all the other fields that were adjacent to the pitches in the incident I referred to? That wasn't the point, he harrumphed; I, as a kid who just wanted to play football and any of the parents who objected to being blackmailed were, you guessed it, racist.

This kind of mind-boggling stupidity was at the heart of a rather farcical and unsuccessful RTE TV debate earlier week.

According to Travellers' spokespeople, any objection to their way of life was simply an exercise in bigotry, prejudice and racism.

Using the 'R' word is the first resort of the intellectually feeble.

After all, we're all part of one society and the constant beating of the same drum about racism and bigotry detracts from the argument.

Indeed, their constant arguing for recognition of separate ethnic status is little more than a cynical ruse to pave the way for more compo claims on the basis of racial discrimination.

But while they are utterly wrong on the race card, they are equally as correct when they complain about facing prejudice.

The problem there, however, is that the prejudice they encounter is often of their own making.

One of the most common complaints is how they're not allowed into pubs and hotels, and one particular source of annoyance is the fact that when there's a Traveller wedding or funeral, pubs in the locality will close.

This, we are informed, is another example of marginalising their community.

But let's try something new and exciting for a moment, shall we? Let's try to use a bit of logic.

What sort of bar owner wants to lose money? Have you ever met a publican who would happily lose a day's takings simply because his loathing of Travellers is so intense that he is prepared to cut off his economic nose to spite his racist face?

It. Doesn't. Make. Sense.

The problems within the Traveller community can only be solved by one group -- Travellers themselves. Not the State; not the countless quangos set up to protect them; not the half-wit sociologists who reckon they can make a name for themselves by conducting spurious research in the name of ethnology; and certainly not the settled community, who just want to be left in peace.

And the answer to the problem lies in education.

The only way they can escape the cycle of ignorance and poverty is to take a large sandblaster to that chip on their shoulder and realise that whingeing about people being mean to them is not going to solve anything.

Let's put it this way -- some Traveller leaders like to appropriate the language of the American civil rights movement in their use of laughably ridiculous phrases such as "the white, settled community".

Well, while we're at it -- take a look at Bill Cosby.

Cosby tore his own black community a new one a few years ago when he slammed parents for not ensuring their kids went to school -- as he famously said, "We have millionaire black basketball players who can't write a full paragraph" -- and he utterly castigated the speed with which blacks and their leaders blamed Whitey for all their problems.

What the Travellers need right now is their own Bill Cosby; someone from the inside who will stand up, say enough of the bull****, it's time to start talking some uncomfortable home truths.

But I won't be holding my breath.

And, obviously, I'm being racist . . .

- Ian O'Doherty

Irish Independent

Rhyme

I was around there when that was going on and it was mayhem. I don't hold it against the Gardai that they waited for the public order unit, running into a pub without a riot shield while a gang of these sorts of people hurl glass bottles and bits of furniture at you wouldn't have been the smartest of ideas.

They got off way too lightly, remorse my arse.

If anyone was curious, the pub is re-opened now, don't know who owns it but it's not a bad place. Before the 'lock-in' it was pretty dingy.

But yeah, PC brigade or not, the specific people in question are scum. They weren't being served drinks for a reason.

thebullkf

Lando Griffin wrote: »

I am sick of waiting for the PC police so i will attempt it and by the way i am not trolling sir. You should not think that all people are the same, I blame the pub, its the against the law for the pub to serve drink to a person who is drunk which if they had the fifth pint they clearly were and in protest which got a little out of hand a bit of cosmetic damage was done to the pub nothing a lick of paint wouldnt fix

90k worth of damage....


some tin of paint...think ill stick to whitewash:rolleyes:

PeakOutput

TheZohan wrote: »

Lot's of people think they can do what they want.

edit; it still makes me despair

Gardai retreated until the public order unit arrived at 8.20 pm and while they attempted to gain entry David sprayed a fire extinguisher out through a broken window. They successfully reclaimed the pub at 8.45pm.

it took a full riot squad 25 mins to take back what looks like a small pub. i wonder how much damage could have been prevented if the first couple of gardai on the scene went in strong and did the job they are meant to do(they would have probably been up in front of the ombudsman alright but thats not right either)

No law against what they(the eejits on the street) did, and if the Gardai had done anything you'd have people on here complaining about Po-lice brutality.

i didnt say the cops should have done anything about it or that it was illegal im saying those eejits have nothing better to be doing then shouting at gardai trying to do their job and thinking they are hilarious shouting ' take them from behind' 25 times. people are ****ing stupid

The_Thing

Padraig Nally would know what to do.

Minstrel27

The_Thing wrote: »

Padraig Nally would know what to do.

The man is a hero.

P_1

Wagon wrote: »

I have bought a campsite in balbriggan. I plan to surround it with high fences and some walls, where i shall hunt the deadliest game of all...

Man.

Sure there's already one just outside of Balbriggan

Rhyme wrote: »

I was around there when that was going on and it was mayhem. I don't hold it against the Gardai that they waited for the public order unit, running into a pub without a riot shield while a gang of these sorts of people hurl glass bottles and bits of furniture at you wouldn't have been the smartest of ideas.

They got off way too lightly, remorse my arse.

If anyone was curious, the pub is re-opened now, don't know who owns it but it's not a bad place. Before the 'lock-in' it was pretty dingy.

But yeah, PC brigade or not, the specific people in question are scum. They weren't being served drinks for a reason.

Sadly that pub (John D's) served a useful purpose before the 'lock-in', it kept the folk of Balbriggan who you would not like to socialise with corralled into the one pub, now they've infested the other decent boozers in the town.

Agree with you the new pub (The Millrace) is indeed now a quality boozer, new owners I believe. Actually feel quite sorry for the owners of John D's as they were making great strides towards making it a decent pub in the months before the 'lock-in'.