Should the referee be banned?

amacachi

Hammer Archer wrote: »

Strange I saw no other incidents of this kind. So once again, you agree that this point for Louth should not have stood.
As both Colm o Rourke and the other analyst just said on the Sunday Game, the majority of the bad decisions went against Meath today.

Thrice as meath players were running alongside Louth players they made contact with the face and twice the other way that I saw.
With ~15 minutes to go there were 3 late tackles in a row put in by Meath, all left unpunished. Plenty of decisions went against both teams, many of which should have been played on, I find it shocking that Colm O'Rourke thought that Meath had a lot of decisions went against them.

Pegasusbridge

So we should ban people for making mistakes now? Every single ref and footballer makes mistakes. If we go down the road of banning refs who make mistakes then we'll be left with no refs and no games. The ref didn't cost Louth the match. IN fact he incorrectly awarded them two very kickable frees (both of which were missed) after deciding a meath player touched the ball on the ground when tv clearly showrf the ball was bouncing and so there was no contact with the ball when it was on the ground. If Louth had scored those they would have won. When Louth went three points ahead they stopped playing the great football that got them in that position and instead began to time waste and foul so as to slow the game down. Any gaa person knows that a one point lead is very dangerous as all it takes is a slice of bad luck and you lose the match. Get over it and stop blaming the ref. Now you could make a strong argument for using video technology but until then the refs decision is final as otherwise there would be anarchy

AudreyHepburn

Of course he shouldn't be banned. He made a mistake, a big one to be sure, but a mistake nonethless. He's only human, not infalliable.

I understand Louth fans are upset but I see no reason to call for the Ref to be banned. He's probably blaming himself enough as it is.

Brendog

It was the umpires mistake....

The referee was half way down the pitch and with the amount of bodies on the goal line it was next to impossible to see it.

SantryRed

Brendog wrote: »

It was the umpires mistake....

The referee was half way down the pitch and with the amount of bodies on the goal line it was next to impossible to see it.

It wasn't the umpires mistake as the referee told them to award the goal.

oicherider

Doubt the ref will want to go back on a pitch for a long time!.. Very bad decision and id say he is sick with himself - I feel sorry for the man and tbh I dont think he shoudnt be banned..

It should be mandatory that the Ref consult with both umpires before he can award any goal!!

The Hammer

thats dead true, it was the ref that told the boys to put the flag up.
should umpires who are in a very important role should actually be referees, or at least qualified in the referee exam.

there wont be a replay as if they did do this, it would set a precedent for the future of games aloud to be replayed, and you will have division 5 B league finals going to the high court to get games replayed.

I feel sorry for Louth, but the official screwed them and sadly in sport this happens quiet a bit.

DC_Roscommon

No, just the umpires......

derealbadger

if meath county board offer a replay then there is no precedent set we have past precedent Offaly v Clare hurling, Laoise V Carlow bogball to show that there is precedent for there not being precedent and may i add i think that the number of times i have used the word precedent is totally unprecedented

teednab-el

Meath always get away with decisions like the one yesterday. If you can remember in the 1980's Cork were wronged when the referree played almost 8 mins of overtime and cost us an All Ireland. All these decisions go Meaths way.

IMO It doesnt matter anyway, Meath will be destroyed if they meet Kerry Cork or Tyrone in the championship. I said it before they are not good enough. They were pathetic yesterday and I just hope Cork meet them in the championship again so that we can hammer them off the park like 2007.

dcr22B

Brendog wrote: »

The referee was half way down the pitch and with the amount of bodies on the goal line it was next to impossible to see it.

Instead of moving in with the play like most referees do, he wouldn't have been the fittest of referees judging from his size.

He also took charge of Monaghan v Armagh and he was pretty poor that day as well.

Pegasusbridge

"Meath always get away with decisions like the one yesterday. If you can remember in the 1980's Cork were wronged when the referree played almost 8 mins of overtime and cost us an All Ireland. All these decisions go Meaths way"

You mean the All-Ireland where we played the replay for virtually the full match with just 14 men and still beat you.
You just weren't good enough
Build a bridge

teednab-el

Pegasusbridge wrote: »

"Meath always get away with decisions like the one yesterday. If you can remember in the 1980's Cork were wronged when the referree played almost 8 mins of overtime and cost us an All Ireland. All these decisions go Meaths way"

You mean the All-Ireland where we played the replay for virtually the full match with just 14 men and still beat you.
You just weren't good enough
Build a bridge

Meath wont be going any further in the championship anyway just to let you know. I hope you get to play Kerry or Cork at some stage of championship and we will then see how good you really are.

Come on Eileen

angeleyes wrote: »

Umpires should have their eyes tested at the very least! Umpires in the Munster Hurling final just gave Cork a point that was well wide!

As should the Ref who gave Waterford a free for nothing in the last minute of injury time to draw the game!!!

Dionysus

Would some people please calm down? These people, the ref and umpires, are volunteers in an amateur code.

Yes, OBVIOUSLY, the ref in particular made a massive cock-up. OBVIOUSLY. He does not need to be demonised as he currently is. If he were on €60,000 per annum for his referring then you might have some case for a limited amount of demonisation.

But he is just a GAA supporter with, presumably, an excellent knowledge of the rules who made a serious error of judgement.

The solution: Meath County Board should tonight offer a replay. As a Meathman, this is the decent thing to do - even if the fairest thing to do might be to give the Leinster cup to Louth. There is a precedent for such a replay: in 1995 Laois beat Carlow by a point which they shouldn't have got (it was wide) and offered Carlow a replay.

The Meath County Board knows what is the right thing to do.

Pegasusbridge

teednab-el wrote: »

Meath wont be going any further in the championship anyway just to let you know. I hope you get to play Kerry or Cork at some stage of championship and we will then see how good you really are.

Based on this years football I would probably agree with you. Cork and Kerry would have to be favourites to beat Meath. HOWEVER if they do we won't be still moaning about it in 22 years time.

quad_red

Dionysus wrote: »

Would some people please calm down? These people, the ref and umpires, are volunteers in an amateur code.

Yes, OBVIOUSLY, the ref in particular made a massive cock-up. OBVIOUSLY. He does not need to be demonised as he currently is. If he were on €60,000 per annum for his referring then you might have some case for a limited amount of demonisation.

But he is just a GAA supporter with, presumably, an excellent knowledge of the rules who made a serious error of judgement.

+1

Cuddlytroll

Dionysus wrote: »

Would some people please calm down? These people, the ref and umpires, are volunteers in an amateur code.


But he is just a GAA supporter with, presumably, an excellent knowledge of the rules who made a serious error of judgement.

That's all well and good, but the reality of the matter is that he is doing a professional's job. Millions of euros change hands on GAA transactions and the sports are quite literally life-altering for those involved. It's clear that the GAA, an organisation which has approved drug-testing for its athletes, needs to stop being so greedy and have a more professional approach to the elements such as officiating and stewarding.

teednab-el

Pegasusbridge wrote: »

Based on this years football I would probably agree with you. Cork and Kerry would have to be favourites to beat Meath. HOWEVER if they do we won't be still moaning about it in 22 years time.

Thats because you will have nothing to moan about!

lucernarian

I don't know what match were watching when it's claimed that the ref had a good game except for the last decision. As I said in the other thread, he made poor decisions which cost both teams throughout the match.

In particular Louth were not awarded frees after being pushed by Meath players and Meath were penalised for apparently handling the ball on the ground on more than one occasion which I strongly questioned, in fairness to the Royals.

As for the ludicrous comment about Louth players "diving", I was 20 metres away from either Colm Judge or Shane Lennon being pushed in the back by a Meath back. Indeed he followed through with the push and clearly had his arms fully extended. What the ref did was to give a free out against the man pushed to the ground?! The ref was as close to the incident as I was. He then gave another bad decision in favour of Louth a minute later, which was converted by Brian White. It's almost as if he was happy to award 2 bad decisions to cancel each other out.

As for the other infamous decision, he told an umpire who initially didn't recognise a valid goal to wave the green flag, having previously marked it in his notebook so I hear from radio programmes. I could see for myself that the umpire only waved the flag after half a minute of chaos. The referee should be ashamed of himself for not consulting in awarding such a crucial decision.

Hammer Archer

teednab-el wrote: »

Meath always get away with decisions like the one yesterday. If you can remember in the 1980's Cork were wronged when the referree played almost 8 mins of overtime and cost us an All Ireland. All these decisions go Meaths way.

IMO It doesnt matter anyway, Meath will be destroyed if they meet Kerry Cork or Tyrone in the championship. I said it before they are not good enough. They were pathetic yesterday and I just hope Cork meet them in the championship again so that we can hammer them off the park like 2007.

Wow you're complaining about a game that occurred over 20 years ago? Thats even worse than Mayo fans complaining about 1996.
And Meath always get the decisions do they? Please don't make me go into all the times I remember Meath being given absolutely nothing by certain referees and officials. I don't want to appear bitter as, unlike you, I've built a bridge over all of them.

teednab-el

Hammer Archer wrote: »

Wow you're complaining about a game that occurred over 20 years ago? Thats even worse than Mayo fans complaining about 1996.
And Meath always get the decisions do they? Please don't make me go into all the times I remember Meath being given absolutely nothing by certain referees and officials. I don't want to appear bitter as, unlike you, I've built a bridge over all of them.

Good, nice post keep it up.

Hammer Archer

teednab-el wrote: »

Good, nice post keep it up.

Aaaand thats pretty much the type of reply I expected.

rebel girl 15

Cuddlytroll wrote: »

That's all well and good, but the reality of the matter is that he is doing a professional's job. Millions of euros change hands on GAA transactions and the sports are quite literally life-altering for those involved. It's clear that the GAA, an organisation which has approved drug-testing for its athletes, needs to stop being so greedy and have a more professional approach to the elements such as officiating and stewarding.

The GAA came under the Irish Sports Council for the drug testing in 2002, iirc it meant it could get access to other funding by doing so

thats what I am saying the whole time, train the officials to the highest standard, fix the rules in place (which would take votes at congress :rolleyes:) so that there is no ambiguity

Coogee

For championship matches there needs to be a serious look at umpiring. Too many bad umpiring decisions in hurling & football now

wavinpipe

Coogee wrote: »

For championship matches there needs to be a serious look at umpiring. Too many bad umpiring decisions in hurling & football now

It's my understanding that the referee pick their umpires ?? Maybe the GAA should pick the umpires themselves based on performance?? Anyway those umpires cant be blamed for that goal decision on sunday the ref had his mind made up and never consulted them just told him to raise the green Flag !!!!