Stage 9 - Tuesday, July 13 2010, Morzine-Avoriaz - Saint-Jean-de-Maurienne

Dodge

what a ride by Contador and Schleck. wow!

joker77

NickDrake wrote: »

Casar has it in the bag

Cheers for that tip, stuck a tenner on it

kennyb3

Dodge wrote: »

what a ride by Contador and Schleck. wow!

Agreed amazing effort to catch them

Raedwald

GC will make for interesting reading when everyone has finally dragged their sorry arses over the line.

L'Enfer du Nord

Fantastic finish,

Fair play to Casar, would have been a killer if one of the three chasers had taken it.

Wonder what the top ten will be, apart from Contador and Schlek its very open after that.

doccy

Proved to be a killer stage in the end.

AstraMonti

Well done to Andy! He rides so well, he thoroughly deserves the yellow jersey.

SomeFool

Dodge wrote: »

what a ride by Contador and Schleck. wow!

Schleck was impressive for a guy who can't time trial

Dodge

L'Enfer du Nord wrote: »

Wonder what the top ten will be, apart from Contador and Schlek its very open after that.

1. SCHLECK Andy
2. CONTADOR Alberto + 00' 41"
3. SANCHEZ Samuel + 02' 45"
4. MENCHOV Denis + 02' 58"
5. VAN DEN BROECK Jurgen + 03' 31"
6. LEIPHEIMER Levi " + 03' 59"
7. GESINK Robert + 04' 22"
8. SANCHEZ Luis-Leon + 04' 41"
9. RODRIGUEZ OLIVER Joaquin + 05' 08"
10. BASSO Ivan + 05' 09"

IM0

Luis21 wrote: »

I had such high hopes for him, ah well.

are you english?

Dodge

Roche finished 25th on the stage 4.55 down in a group with wiggins, sastre, rogers and others

Caroline_ie

who is the youngest rider to ever have won the TDF?

L'Enfer du Nord

Casar : "[I wasn't] going to go doing a Poulidor"

Bit harsh -

Poulidor has won more stages in Le Tour than Casar has won races of any description.

http://www.letour.fr/2010/TDF/RIDERS/us/coureurs/62.html

http://www.letour.fr/HISTO/us/TDF/coureur/3699.html

IM0

Caroline_ie wrote: »

who is the youngest rider to ever have won the TDF?

Bert I think has that

SomeFool

Caroline_ie wrote: »

who is the youngest rider to ever have won the TDF?

going to guess Ulrich before I run off to google

Funkyzeit

Seeing Evans breaking down at end only adds to my huge huge respect for the man....

IM0

SomeFool wrote: »

going to guess Ulrich before I run off to google

oh yeah! forgot about him, so yesterday

SomeFool

WIKI
The youngest Tour de France winner was Henri Cornet, aged 19 in 1904. Next youngest was Romain Maes, 21 in 1935.

ROK ON

I have to take my hat off to Wiggins. Struck gold last year when a fluke placing engendered the near hysteria across the pond that secured a big money move to Sky.
From a salary point of view I respect that. A tru pro knows when to maximise his worth.

Here is the thing, I predict pretty confidently that he will not place in a road race between now and career end.

Last few days have shown Wiggo what Grand Tour racing is all about, and despite the hype he is not at the business end of things.

After today the tour has taken a more predictable look in the top10.

kennyb3

Dodge wrote: »

Roche finished 25th on the stage 4.55 down in a group with wiggins, sastre, rogers and others

not bad really. he is improving year on year

doccy

ROK ON wrote: »

I have to take my hat off to Wiggins. Struck gold last year when a fluke placing engendered the near hysteria across the pond that secured a big money move to Sky.
From a salary point of view I respect that. A tru pro knows when to maximise his worth.

Here is the thing, I predict pretty confidently that he will not place in a road race between now and career end.

Last few days have shown Wiggo what Grand Tour racing is all about, and despite the hype he is not at the business end of things.

After today the tour has taken a more predictable look in the top10.

Can you fluke a 4th place in a Grand Tour? In fairness he climbed very well last year.

NickDrake

Funkyzeit wrote: »

Seeing Evans breaking down at end only adds to my huge huge respect for the man....

Oh totally agree. Just shows how tough it is to do it clean. He looked destroyed

Casar as I said

Dodge

doccy wrote: »

Can you fluke a 4th place in a Grand Tour? In fairness he climbed very well last year.

While by no means am I trying to discredit his excellent 4th place, the race last year was set up for him. Far less climbing than usual.

I don't think you can fluke as high a placing as that, but I didn't expect him to repeat it this year

Caroline_ie

Caroline_ie wrote: »

who is the youngest rider to ever have won the TDF?

The youngest Tour de France winner was Henri Cornet, aged 19 in 1904. Next youngest was Romain Maes, 21 in 1935.

thereturn

NickDrake wrote: »

Oh totally agree. Just shows how tough it is to do it clean. He looked destroyed

Casar as I said

Evans has worked with Ferrari so wouldn't be confident that he is clean myself.

NickDrake

thereturn wrote: »

Evans has worked with Ferrari so wouldn't be confident that he is clean myself.

Did he? Didnt know that.

niceonetom

I've never been a fan of the Schlecks, but Andy was hugely impressive today. He looked like he could have attacked Contador more today, and I'm not at all convinced that Alberto could have responded. If the finishline had been at the top of the hill I think he could have taken more time, with a long descent he seemed to know it was better to keep company and wait for another day.

His descending was ugly and awkward looking, but he definitely going faster than he used to - at times it looked like Contador was having to dig to close up coming out of the corners. The fact that Sanchez didn't cruise up to them and pass them proves they were going well.

Feel very sorry for Evans. I'll be very interested to hear what he has to say about what happened today - he's usually very honest about himself.

NickDrake wrote: »

Just shows how tough it is to do it clean.

Do you actually enjoy watching cycling? or are you just really fond of being angry?

IM0

Caroline_ie wrote: »

The youngest Tour de France winner was Henri Cornet, aged 19 in 1904. Next youngest was Romain Maes, 21 in 1935.

when people say this sort of stuff they usually say it separating the pre war (II) years and the rest, cyclig was 'different' post war..apparently.

NickDrake

niceonetom wrote: »

Do you actually enjoy watching cycling? or are you just really fond of being angry?

Where is the anger? I love cycling. I hate the doping in it. Pretty much the view of most people.

I just do a lot of research into doping and I know the ins and outs and who does what and when.

thereturn

NickDrake wrote: »

Did he? Didnt know that.

Yeah link to discussion about it here.http://www.cyclingforums.com/archive/index.php/t-415862.html
Would be confident most of guys and French teams and Garmin are clean.Not so sure about others and then there are obvious dopers.

CheGuedara

NickDrake wrote: »

I just do a lot of research into doping and I know the ins and outs and who does what and when.

In that case there's no time to waste! - quickly, off to WADA and the UCI with you - flush out the cheats and clean up our sport once and for all!

Are you Floyd Landis? You can tell us, really...

niceonetom

Isn't Rob Hayles unintentionally hilarious? He's a Ricky Gervais character.

NickDrake wrote: »

Where is the anger? I love cycling. I hate the doping in it. Pretty much the view of most people.

I just do a lot of research into doping and I know the ins and outs and who does what and when.

NickDrake wrote: »

thereturn wrote: »

Evans has worked with Ferrari so wouldn't be confident that he is clean myself.

Did he? Didnt know that.

Consistency is clearly not your strong point. Fair enough.

ROK ON

@Nick. Please contact the UCI forthwith, they really need a person with you skills.

NickDrake

CheGuedara wrote: »

In that case there's no time to waste! - quickly, off to WADA and the UCI with you - flush out the cheats and clean up our sport once and for all!

Are you Floyd Landis? You can tell us, really...

Ha ha no need to be a dick. The sport will never be cleaned up

NickDrake

niceonetom wrote: »

Isn't Rob Hayles unintentionally hilarious? He's a Ricky Gervais character.





Consistency is clearly not your strong point. Fair enough.

Smart boy. That story makes no sense and is pure rubbish. Cadel is not implicated with Ferrari from what I have read.

I see a few regular posters geeting annoyed someone is posting on their thread. Get over it and leave off the insults

dave2pvd

niceonetom wrote: »

Consistency is clearly not your strong point.

Consistency, pah!

One should never feel inhibited in frequently throwing out absolutes by such a minor detail

kennyb3

niceonetom wrote: »

I've never been a fan of the Schlecks, but Andy was hugely impressive today. He looked like he could have attacked Contador more today, and I'm not at all convinced that Alberto could have responded. If the finishline had been at the top of the hill I think he could have taken more time, with a long descent he seemed to know it was better to keep company and wait for another day.?

Agreed he looks a miles better rider in this tour, I think a big part of it is confidence. I think he actually believes he can take Contador this year.

I hate to pose the question but do you think he is clean? Just he looked awful fresh the last day and there is the whole frank making payments for training plans thing in the past.

niceonetom wrote: »

His descending was ugly and awkward looking, but he definitely going faster than he used to - at times it looked like Contador was having to dig to close up coming out of the corners. The fact that Sanchez didn't cruise up to them and pass them proves they were going well..?

It was definitely markedly faster than ever before, he had contador sprinting out of corners. it is ugly but more effective

niceonetom wrote: »

Feel very sorry for Evans. I'll be very interested to hear what he has to say about what happened today - he's usually very honest about himself.

Would be interested to hear myself, might just be a hard season taking its toll.

dastardly00

Roche up to 17th, 7 min 44 sec behind Schleck, not too bad!!
Evans is 18th, just shows how much time he lost!

SomeFool

thereturn wrote: »

Would be confident most of guys and French teams and Garmin are clean.Not so sure about others and then there are obvious dopers.

Stab in the dark maybe but i'm going to guess that Footon-Servetto are clean too

kennyb3

NickDrake wrote: »

I just do a lot of research into doping and I know the ins and outs and who does what and when.

Maybe drop the UCI a line cause they dont even know.

Wow you do some reading, arent you great. so do most people on here. You know no more than most.

doccy

kennyb3 wrote: »

It was definitely markedly faster than ever before, he had contador sprinting out of corners. it is ugly but more effective

He was powerful but still awkward. I still think Contador suffered big time today.

thereturn

NickDrake wrote: »

Smart boy. That story makes no sense and is pure rubbish. Cadel is not implicated with Ferrari from what I have read

From what I have read he said he was working with him for 'training purposes'.Link to article on it doesn't seem to work other than discussions about it.To be honest though fact that himself and Armstrong seem to be mates would make me less confident that he is clean.

joker77

twitter saying that Cadel raced with a fractured elbow today

joker77

http://twitter.com/BMCProTeam/status/18446596490

CheGuedara

NickDrake wrote: »

Ha ha no need to be a dick. The sport will never be cleaned up

Not if you keep quite!

But you know all the who's, what's, when's and presumably also the where's. For you the jumbled jigsaw of the doping underworld is a vista you can survey with absolute clarity, it would quite frankly be unethical to keep schtum on all this when you could change so much

NickDrake

CheGuedara wrote: »

Not if you keep quite!

But you know all the who's, what's, when's and presumably also the where's. For you the jumbled jigsaw of the doping underworld is a vista you can survey with absolute clarity, it would quite frankly be unethical to keep schtum on all this when you could change so much

Oh you are hilarious!! How long did it take you to think up that response?

See you on the road someday and you will feel the burn when I destroy you

CheGuedara

joker77 wrote: »

twitter saying that Cadel raced with a fractured elbow today

I was wondering what that blue stuff on his arm was for, that's tough going!!

Cheers for that little nugget!

kennyb3

NickDrake wrote: »

Oh you are hilarious!! How long did it take you to think up that response?

See you on the road someday and you will feel the burn when I destroy you

Maybe just stop being so self righteous and condescending and make some valid arguements and people might take you a little more serious

joker77

CheGuedara wrote: »

I was wondering what that blue stuff on his arm was for, that's tough going!!

Cheers for that little nugget!

Do I detect a hint of sarcasm?

I didn't hear the eurosport commentary mention it at all, unless I missed it there?

CheGuedara

NickDrake wrote: »

Oh you are hilarious!! How long did it take you to think up that response?

See you on the road someday and you will feel the burn when I destroy you

[Shakes head]

Nicky, Nick, Nick, Nick....

How will the UCI take you seriously when you come out with stuff like this?

Hang on, I know what's going on here.

This is a re-reg of TimAllen/Fencer isn't it? You're not Floyd Landis at all!