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Looking to cool down a HD4870

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  • Registered Users Posts: 37,301 ✭✭✭✭the_syco


    Hellrazer wrote: »
    Syco-check yer pms.Have a spare card here you can borrow if youre stuck.Or even if you just want to use it to test the rest of the system.
    May do so. I think I need a PSU with more wattage... Will give you a shout later.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,874 ✭✭✭✭PogMoThoin


    Overheal wrote: »
    now i have to ask who the hell are Club3D

    They're all reference cards with stock Ati coolers, Club3d just put their sticker on it. I've had one of their cards before, when shopping I usually opt for the cheapest card and later add an aftermarket cooler if the stock one is noisy, usually works out cheaper than buying one with a Vapour X etc, then I do my own overclock


  • Registered Users Posts: 83,210 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Vapor-X for me worked out cheaper as a refurbished item ;) I reckon the previous owner chucked it back when he found out the card doesnt like to overclock beyond the default OC very much.


  • Registered Users Posts: 13,995 ✭✭✭✭Cuddlesworth


    the_syco wrote: »
    What program did you use, or did you do it through BIOS somehow, or what?

    I'd forgotten about this thread, this is the program I used

    http://event.msi.com/vga/afterburner/ (Works with all cards, not just MSI ones)

    Default cpu and memory clocks for the 1gig model should be
    Core Clock: 750MHz
    Memory Clock: 3,600MHz (effective).


  • Registered Users Posts: 37,301 ✭✭✭✭the_syco


    I'd forgotten about this thread, this is the program I used

    http://event.msi.com/vga/afterburner/ (Works with all cards, not just MSI ones)
    Aye, I've used it in the past, to ensure the fan goes at full whack. I barely hear the fan, so I don't notice it at all when gaming, or even when watching a movie.

    Cheers for the default clock speeds, etc. May readjust it if all else fails.

    =-=

    Have just got a 2TB drive. My setup is now 3 WD HDD's: 2TB, 1.5TB, and a 1TB. All "Cavier Green". Thinking that maybe 5 HDD's, a DVD drive, and an overclocked card on a 800Watt PSU may have been too much, so it'll now be only 3 HDD's, a DVD drive, and the overclocked card on the 800Watt PSU.

    Installing Windows now, and will then copy the stuff from my old drives. Added benefit is that one of the drives houses a lot of my photos, so now I have a "backup" photo drive :D

    Should have it all copied over by tomorrow, and then I'll have a go at the Crysis2 demo (was freezing & crashing all over the place on it before), and get back to ye.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 37,301 ✭✭✭✭the_syco


    Update:

    Got one mini crash, and a few slight freezes last night when playing BLOPS. Had fan on 100%. Usually it'd freeze, and then black screen, but this time, just a few freezes.


  • Registered Users Posts: 37,301 ✭✭✭✭the_syco


    Hellrazer wrote: »
    Syco-check yer pms.Have a spare card here you can borrow if youre stuck.Or even if you just want to use it to test the rest of the system.
    Stuck it in, had a game of BLOPS, had another black-out-crash. Very odd. As this doesn't need any extra power, I don't think it's a lack of power that is causing it.


  • Registered Users Posts: 83,210 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    yeah but something something voltage rail something - hell, I don't ****ing know, Solitaire does :p


  • Registered Users Posts: 37,301 ✭✭✭✭the_syco


    Overheal wrote: »
    yeah but something something voltage rail something - hell, I don't ****ing know, Solitaire does :p
    Sent Solitaire a message, so hopefully :)

    =-=

    The crashes affect the 4670 which needs no extra power, as well as the 4870, which had two 75Watt 6-pin PCI Express power cables plugged into it.

    /edit
    MW2 lagging/freezing/BSOD 14/01/2010
    Computer won't start :( 18/02/2010
    Looking to cool down a HD4870 13/07/2010

    This system is giving me no end of troubles, it would seem :'(

    I do wonder what the problem could be, though?


  • Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 18,377 Mod ✭✭✭✭Solitaire


    Did it affect the HD4670 too? Could be a bad mobo with dodgy PCIe :eek:

    Did you have an equally huge array of drives back when you were using the HD4670? And what model PSU is that anyway? Its not in your sig... :o:p


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  • Registered Users Posts: 37,301 ✭✭✭✭the_syco


    Solitaire wrote: »
    Did it affect the HD4670 too? Could be a bad mobo with dodgy PCIe :eek:

    Did you have an equally huge array of drives back when you were using the HD4670? And what model PSU is that anyway? Its not in your sig... :o:p
    Actually, I went from the 4870 to the 4670, to see if the problem occurred with a card that took less power. Had 3 HDD's when I went from the 4870 to the 4670. So far, I have had one freeze & black screen with Black Ops when running the 4670.

    The PSU is a 850Watt Coolermaster, model RS-850-ESBA.


  • Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 18,377 Mod ✭✭✭✭Solitaire


    Try the cards on a different mobo or a completely clean new install, that's all I could suggest. The HD4670 doesn't run too hot or draw much power and the smallest of the 12V rails on the M850 can supply at least 216W so if you can vouch for the CPU and RAM you have a dodgy mobo chipset (or possibly PSU) on your hands :(

    Last-ditch attempt: Try cranking the chipset voltages up a few notches and see if boosting the volts to a marginal (as opposed to outright defective) PCIe controller can keep it stable under high stress...


  • Registered Users Posts: 37,301 ✭✭✭✭the_syco


    Solitaire wrote: »
    Try the cards on a different mobo or a completely clean new install, that's all I could suggest.
    Recently just reinstalled Windows 7. Yup, gotta try the card on another machine. May see if Hellrazer (whom I got the 4670 off for a loan to test teh system) could try it.
    Solitaire wrote: »
    The HD4670 doesn't run too hot or draw much power and the smallest of the 12V rails on the M850 can supply at least 216W so if you can vouch for the CPU and RAM you have a dodgy mobo chipset (or possibly PSU) on your hands :(
    New mobo would be about €133, new PSU around €300-€500, so hope if it's anything, it's the mobo :S
    Solitaire wrote: »
    Last-ditch attempt: Try cranking the chipset voltages up a few notches and see if boosting the volts to a marginal (as opposed to outright defective) PCIe controller can keep it stable under high stress...
    I take it that that is a voltage increase on the PCI-E is "PCI-E OverVoltage Control" on page 52, which I can increase 0.05V to 0.75V at 0.05V increment. How much should I increase it?


  • Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 18,377 Mod ✭✭✭✭Solitaire


    No idea! :o:pac: Try 0.15V to start with, and if you can keep an eye on southbridge temps :o Its really a last-ditch effort :(

    And why on earth would a new PSU cost €300?! :eek::p


  • Registered Users Posts: 37,301 ✭✭✭✭the_syco


    Solitaire wrote: »
    And why on earth would a new PSU cost €300?! :eek::p
    Looking at prices. I think I was looking at the wrong site :o Oh, and I think I was looking at the 1200Watt PSUs, thinking I needed moar poweh :D


  • Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 18,377 Mod ✭✭✭✭Solitaire


    Not unless you want to replace the HD4870 with three GTX480s :p You'd probably need €90-150 worth of PSU including delivery, max :)


  • Registered Users Posts: 37,301 ✭✭✭✭the_syco


    Solitaire wrote: »
    No idea! :o:pac: Try 0.15V to start with, and if you can keep an eye on southbridge temps :o Its really a last-ditch effort :(
    Increased by 0.15V, temp went up 1 or 2 degrees, I think, and still suffered a freeze/black screen when playing BLOPS.

    Is there any way that I could rule the PSU out as the problem? Digital Voltmeter, or something?

    As the current rig cost me about €800 back December 2009, I don't want to do another cpu/mobo/ram/psu/etc upgrade anytime soon.

    As I have a full case, I may as well go for the full ATX motherboards. Will keep the socket 775. The PC2-8500 DDR2 RAM, though, may be replaced, as can't seem to find many LGS775 mobos that take PC2-8500 DDR2 RAM.

    Can't seem to find any X48 boards, but I'm finding G31, G41 and P965 boards on hardwareversand.de and G41 boards on elara.ie Would probably prefer elara.ie or some Irish site, as HWV charges €30 for delivery. And no, I'm not going to touch Pixmania with a f**king bargepole.

    I think I'll replace the mobo first, and then the PSU, as the mobo is the "cheap" part of the required parts replacement.


  • Registered Users Posts: 15,443 ✭✭✭✭bonkey


    Have you tried running something like Prime95 in Torture Mode to make sure that its not something else failing under load?

    It'd be a real bummer to go through all of this and discovered that the problem was in yoru CPU or memory, but only showing up when games put it under sufficient load....


  • Registered Users Posts: 37,301 ✭✭✭✭the_syco


    bonkey wrote: »
    Have you tried running something like Prime95 in Torture Mode to make sure that its not something else failing under load?

    It'd be a real bummer to go through all of this and discovered that the problem was in yoru CPU or memory, but only showing up when games put it under sufficient load....
    Garbbed the 64bit version. Gonna leave it run whilst I go drinking :D

    /edit
    [Fri Apr 01 20:02:41 2011]
    FATAL ERROR: Rounding was 0.5, expected less than 0.4
    Hardware failure detected, consult stress.txt file.
    FATAL ERROR: Rounding was 0.5, expected less than 0.4
    Hardware failure detected, consult stress.txt file.
    [Apr 1 20:02] Worker starting
    [Apr 1 20:02] Setting affinity to run worker on logical CPU #0
    [Apr 1 20:02] Beginning a continuous self-test to check your computer.
    [Apr 1 20:02] Please read stress.txt. Choose Test/Stop to end this test.
    [Apr 1 20:02] Test 1, 4000 Lucas-Lehmer iterations of M19922945 using FFT length 1024K.
    [Apr 1 20:03] FATAL ERROR: Rounding was 0.5, expected less than 0.4
    [Apr 1 20:03] Hardware failure detected, consult stress.txt file.
    [Apr 1 20:03] Torture Test completed 0 tests in 0 minutes - 1 errors, 0 warnings.
    [Apr 1 20:03] Worker stopped.
    [Apr 1 20:02] Worker starting
    [Apr 1 20:02] Setting affinity to run worker on logical CPU #1
    [Apr 1 20:02] Beginning a continuous self-test to check your computer.
    [Apr 1 20:02] Please read stress.txt. Choose Test/Stop to end this test.
    [Apr 1 20:02] Test 1, 4000 Lucas-Lehmer iterations of M19922945 using FFT length 1024K.
    [Apr 1 20:02] FATAL ERROR: Rounding was 0.5, expected less than 0.4
    [Apr 1 20:02] Hardware failure detected, consult stress.txt file.
    [Apr 1 20:02] Torture Test completed 0 tests in 0 minutes - 1 errors, 0 warnings.
    [Apr 1 20:02] Worker stopped.

    The other two "workers" were error free.
    [Apr 1 20:02] Worker starting
    [Apr 1 20:02] Setting affinity to run worker on logical CPU #2
    [Apr 1 20:02] Beginning a continuous self-test to check your computer.
    [Apr 1 20:02] Please read stress.txt. Choose Test/Stop to end this test.
    [Apr 1 20:02] Test 1, 4000 Lucas-Lehmer iterations of M19922945 using FFT length 1024K.
    [Apr 1 20:04] Test 2, 4000 Lucas-Lehmer iterations of M19922943 using FFT length 1024K.
    [Apr 1 20:05] Test 3, 4000 Lucas-Lehmer iterations of M19374367 using FFT length 1024K.
    [Apr 1 20:07] Test 4, 4000 Lucas-Lehmer iterations of M19174369 using FFT length 1024K.
    [Apr 1 20:08] Test 5, 4000 Lucas-Lehmer iterations of M18874369 using FFT length 1024K.
    [Apr 1 20:10] Test 6, 4000 Lucas-Lehmer iterations of M18874367 using FFT length 1024K.
    [Apr 1 20:11] Test 7, 4000 Lucas-Lehmer iterations of M18474367 using FFT length 1024K.
    [Apr 1 20:13] Test 8, 4000 Lucas-Lehmer iterations of M18274367 using FFT length 1024K.
    [Apr 1 20:14] Test 9, 4000 Lucas-Lehmer iterations of M18274369 using FFT length 1024K.
    [Apr 1 20:14] Torture Test completed 8 tests in 11 minutes - 0 errors, 0 warnings.
    [Apr 1 20:14] Worker stopped.
    [Apr 1 20:02] Worker starting
    [Apr 1 20:02] Setting affinity to run worker on logical CPU #3
    [Apr 1 20:02] Beginning a continuous self-test to check your computer.
    [Apr 1 20:02] Please read stress.txt. Choose Test/Stop to end this test.
    [Apr 1 20:02] Test 1, 4000 Lucas-Lehmer iterations of M19922945 using FFT length 1024K.
    [Apr 1 20:04] Test 2, 4000 Lucas-Lehmer iterations of M19922943 using FFT length 1024K.
    [Apr 1 20:05] Test 3, 4000 Lucas-Lehmer iterations of M19374367 using FFT length 1024K.
    [Apr 1 20:07] Test 4, 4000 Lucas-Lehmer iterations of M19174369 using FFT length 1024K.
    [Apr 1 20:08] Test 5, 4000 Lucas-Lehmer iterations of M18874369 using FFT length 1024K.
    [Apr 1 20:10] Test 6, 4000 Lucas-Lehmer iterations of M18874367 using FFT length 1024K.
    [Apr 1 20:11] Test 7, 4000 Lucas-Lehmer iterations of M18474367 using FFT length 1024K.
    [Apr 1 20:13] Test 8, 4000 Lucas-Lehmer iterations of M18274367 using FFT length 1024K.
    [Apr 1 20:14] Torture Test completed 7 tests in 11 minutes - 0 errors, 0 warnings.
    [Apr 1 20:14] Worker stopped.


  • Registered Users Posts: 37,301 ✭✭✭✭the_syco


    Going to pop the 4870 back into it, and test it with 3DMARK Vantage, which seems to be designed for DX10 cards.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 13,995 ✭✭✭✭Cuddlesworth


    Get memtest and run it. Rounding errors in Prime95 that quick indicate a massive problem with your ram. You can use this program to quickly get it on a small usb key.


  • Registered Users Posts: 37,301 ✭✭✭✭the_syco


    Get memtest and run it. Rounding errors in Prime95 that quick indicate a massive problem with your ram. You can use this program to quickly get it on a small usb key.
    Ran it for a while, no errors. Remember leaving it for a few hours before, getting no errors for that also.
    C5EDD599AEA14B09BF26240BBB0A1A54-0000324027-0002249242-00500L-1F18E551AE644E7B9B41A8FCD627EB7E.jpg

    =-=

    In the "MB Intelligent Tweaker(M.I.T.)" section on page 54 I set the "Performance Enhance" to "Basic", to see if it does any good :S

    =-=

    Probably asking for too much, but is there any tool to test all the system?


  • Registered Users Posts: 37,301 ✭✭✭✭the_syco


    Gonna try http://www.ozone3d.net/benchmarks/fur/ on the advice of one of the lads here.


  • Registered Users Posts: 13,995 ✭✭✭✭Cuddlesworth


    If prime is failing that quickly and your ram is perfect then I'm afraid your chipset or cpu is on its way out. Its rare but not impossible. If you could get a hold of another mainboard or cpu and run a stress test it would stand you in good stead.


  • Registered Users Posts: 37,301 ✭✭✭✭the_syco


    02B9122113C1410882624BD91739E1AC-0000324027-0002250893-00500L-079A1D298E2E4CC9AFD3FC4EE9D6F7E5.jpg
    Ran it for over 14 hours, and it's all good, so I hope that clears ithe RAM.
    If prime is failing that quickly and your ram is perfect then I'm afraid your chipset or cpu is on its way out. Its rare but not impossible. If you could get a hold of another mainboard or cpu and run a stress test it would stand you in good stead.
    Aye. Will look for a LGA775 loan off someone.


  • Registered Users Posts: 37,301 ✭✭✭✭the_syco


    the_syco wrote: »
    Gonna try http://www.ozone3d.net/benchmarks/fur/ on the advice of one of the lads here.
    Top is before, bottom is during the stress test...
    Date | GPU Core Clock [MHz] | GPU Memory Clock [MHz] | GPU Temperature [°C] | Fan Speed [%] | GPU Load [%] | Fan Speed [RPM] | GPU Temp.(DISPIO) [°C] | GPU Temp.(MEMIO) [°C] | GPU Temp.(SHADERCORE) [°C] | VDDC [V] |
    2011-04-04 18:12:22 | 500.0 | 925.0 | 47.0 | 63 | 0 | - | 47.5 | 51.5 | 50.0 | 1.203 |

    2011-04-04 18:50:57 | 800.0 | 925.0 | 69.0 | 75 | 100 | - | 69.0 | 74.5 | 74.0 | 1.263 |
    ...ran it for 46 minutes, and no problems. Fan speed was @ 100% with MSI AfterBurner.

    If it says "no code to be inserted here", please refresh the page. It's a known vBulletin bug.


  • Registered Users Posts: 37,301 ✭✭✭✭the_syco


    Running OCCT to stress test the CPU. So far, at 30 minutes, no faults.

    The annoying thing is, it's hard to replicate the fault. I may only get the black screen thing once in a night, but sometimes several times. This makes troubleshooting the problem harder. Thought it only happened when the GPU hit 100%, but the GPU hit 100% in the last GFX test, and it didn't black out :/

    /edit
    OCCT test complete, no errors.

    RAM, CPU, GFX card looking okay. No to find a stress test for the motherboard, and see what results I get with it?


  • Registered Users Posts: 13,995 ✭✭✭✭Cuddlesworth


    Interesting. So now your cpu is passing a stress test, your graphics card is passing a stress test and your ram is fine. If there was a issue with the mainboard it would have manifested itself in one of the other tests.

    Can you clearly and accurately describe what actually happens when the machine crashes, frequency and length of time playing when it crashes and time of day too?


  • Registered Users Posts: 37,301 ✭✭✭✭the_syco


    Running OCCT (CPU), MurMark (GFX), and Prime95.

    Prime 95 threw up error:
    [Apr 5 21:15] FATAL ERROR: Rounding was 0.5, expected less than 0.4
    After about a minute after I started it.
    Can you clearly and accurately describe what actually happens when the machine crashes, frequency and length of time playing when it crashes and time of day too?
    Well, I only play CoD in the evenings (work during the day), so usually the crashes happen between 9 and 12 when I'm gaming. I'd be playing BLOPS, and the picture would freeze for 8 seconds, and then the screen would go black for 17 seconds. If I alt-tab, the message saying my display driver stopped working. During the "black screen" period, my the LED on the power button of my (Dell) screen would go from green to amber, then back to green, and the picture would come on. In BLOPS, I can usually continue playing. Heck, sometimes I'm still alive :D The game accepts commands when the picture freezes - when the screen freezes, I press "Z", or "go prone", and when the picture comes back, I'm in the prone position. Have taken a screenshot when the picture froze, but I only get a black screen.

    =-=

    This crap used to happen in BF:BC2. Here's a picture of the "display driver stopped responding" message that I'd get in BF:BC2: http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=69545779&postcount=99

    Vaguely remember getting kicked due to Punkbuster error in Battlefield, see here: http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055872351

    I think all these issues are interconnect, f**k knows how, though.


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  • Moderators, Arts Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 10,679 Mod ✭✭✭✭Hellrazer


    the_syco wrote: »
    =-=

    This crap used to happen in BF:BC2. Here's a picture of the "display driver stopped responding" message that I'd get in BF:BC2: http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=69545779&postcount=99

    .

    Syco I used to get that error aswell.From memory its an atikmdag error.

    Theres a few fixes around and one of them was disabling ati error reporting I think.

    Or something to do with extending the time delay of the error reporting.

    I tried **** loads of so called fixes and one of them worked but I cant tell you which one.


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