Love/Hate [** Spoilers **]

lufties

kryogen wrote: »

This, the scenes last night showing Nidge and Warren together and the human side of Nidge and how much he really cares about his son seem to be setting that up alright.

He also said in season 1 or 2 that the kids were all he cared about, that was it. So to hurt his character as much as possible without actually killing him off this would be the most logical thing to do.

Still though, killing a kid will bring some amount of backlash on the show (and of course give it brilliant publicity) considering the response a dead furball got

going by this thread the show seemed better last night..as an emigrant I cant watch it waaaaah

ThisRegard

Oldira wrote: »

The cop that was working as a bouncer was brought on to the task-force for no good reason that I could see. My guess is that he is also bent...either working for Nidge or (more likely) Danno's crowd.

Nidges crew are now just a bunch of muppets and he has nobody left to carry out is killings. Aido, Elmo and Fran are not hitmen.

He has experience of Nidge and his crew when he was a detective, that's a pretty good reason.

Harks back to people not remembering, or watching, what happened in earlier seasons.

Neeson

P.Walnuts wrote: »

Nidge's most important piece of dialog in he entire show was in season 2 talking to Darren, something along the lines of

"I don't care about anyone else except for myself and Warren, not Trish not anyone else, I just don't care".

Was his son John Delaney not born then?

ronan45

EyeSight wrote: »

did anyone else cry when Debbie came on the screen? She is so annoying!

BTW i find the bouncer/cop to be a terrible actor. I hope they use the bent cop to stay undercover with Nidge

his acting was attrocious!

ted1

P.Walnuts wrote: »

Well when the show itself is clearly styling itself on The Wire, at least this season anyway, it's hard not to!

I enjoy all the other storylines, characters, but the cops angle is awful.

Bollock, you'll find plenty of shows before the wire had the same setup.
Your shown your naivety.

P.Walnuts

ted1 wrote: »

Bollock, you'll find plenty of shows before the wire had the same setup.
Your shown your naivety.

Even discounting the cop characters, the montages of drug dealing, "off site" cop HQ and even some of the shots are very reminiscent of The Wire, the shot where Nidge slo mo drives by and looks at Lizzie is very similar to this famous shot from The Wire

You can't honestly watchh that scene and say it didn't influence the Nidge shot.

Look I'm not about comparing the two at every level, I really enjoy Love/Hate, but now they have introduced this angle is very hard not to compare the two.

seamus

Cartel Mike wrote: »

If he remembers most people surley he remembers Dano, the Ra episode or the person marked "mad bitch" in his phone contacts.

It's convenient that he dosn't remember any of this but knows exactly who someone like Fran is .

He probably does, but the life these kinds of people live is one where you can wake up one day in hospital after being "jumped by a gang of africans" and you think nothing else except that you were in a scrap and came out worse.

When your life is this messed up series of violent events, you don't spend your time dwelling on them.

They don't specify in the show what he does and doesn't remember, presumably he's really only forgotten immediately what happened on that day.

Stiltzkin

gadgetman496 wrote: »

The TV soundtrack and the DVD soundtrack are totally different. TV one is far superior.

Yeah, I was pretty upset with that. Redemption Song by Bob Marley was used in the final scenes of Series 2, really went well with the ending, but they can't secure the rights to use these on a DVD.

Ash.J.Williams

K-9 wrote: »

Reminded me of Fr. Ted!

It's also funny that it's the skanger buying coke that is saying it. That was a brilliant scene, I was wondering why he was just walking away, thought he was out of it and then the chief detective picks him up, well done, never saw it coming.

Some of the Garda scenes are a bit ropey, the meeting one in particular but I liked him saying there was no overtime or extra budget on this, gives you an idea of the constraints they are under, and that it is all down to police work and a little bit of initiative. Loved the "they don't teach you that down in Templemore" line!

This episode really showed the pressure getting on top of Nidge, the solicitor rolling his eyes at the end of the phone call telling him to come in to get interviewed, could be a taste of things to come. People around him start losing respect for him, and make plans to look after themselves when it all goes tits up, Fran especially ready to take advantage if Nidge sides with Tommy, as it looks like from the trailer.

i thought the missing hand rail in the garda car also hinted at limited budget for repairs, it was in the news a while back.

Ash.J.Williams

P.Walnuts wrote: »

Even discounting the cop characters, the montages of drug dealing, "off site" cop HQ and even some of the shots are very reminiscent of The Wire, the shot where Nidge slo mo drives by and looks at Lizzie is very similar to this famous shot from The Wire

You can't honestly watchh that scene and say it didn't influence the Nidge shot.

Look I'm not about comparing the two at every level, I really enjoy Love/Hate, but now they have introduced this angle is very hard not to compare the two.

i've seen that shot in a million different shows and movies, standard enough!

ted1

P.Walnuts wrote: »

Even discounting the cop characters, the montages of drug dealing, "off site" cop HQ and even some of the shots are very reminiscent of The Wire, the shot where Nidge slo mo drives by and looks at Lizzie is very similar to this famous shot from The Wire

You can't honestly watchh that scene and say it didn't influence the Nidge shot.

Look I'm not about comparing the two at every level, I really enjoy Love/Hate, but now they have introduced this angle is very hard not to compare the two.

Haha that's hilarious you've obviously never watched any other TV program. Its a standard shot. I think Clint Eastwood might have even used it when riding past people in westerns

K-9

P.Walnuts wrote: »

Even discounting the cop characters, the montages of drug dealing, "off site" cop HQ and even some of the shots are very reminiscent of The Wire, the shot where Nidge slo mo drives by and looks at Lizzie is very similar to this famous shot from The Wire

You can't honestly watchh that scene and say it didn't influence the Nidge shot.

Look I'm not about comparing the two at every level, I really enjoy Love/Hate, but now they have introduced this angle is very hard not to compare the two.

I've never watched The Wire and I've seen the "gritty" montage scenes plenty of times in shows, the slo mo is very common these days.

kfallon

Omackeral wrote: »

Omg how you didn't get this the first time is beyond me. The Garda was undercover and taking off your common ignorant scumbag so as to, you know, remain undercover. He played the part so well that the dealer never suspected him as a copper. It suited the scene perfectly.

Nobody is agreeing with racism or finds racism funny.. Not one person. It's making a show of idiot bigots that cant distinguish nationalities from each other.

I need to watch it back but wasn't the Asian guy part of the plain clothes police team who arrested the dealer? Sure I saw him get him up against the wall.

Lapin

JonathanAnon wrote: »

My god, the actors that play Gardaí on Irish TV, from Fair City to Leave It To Mrs O'Brien, have to be the worst actors EVER..

Now we know why !

They're not real actors at all but real Gardaí.

http://www.independent.ie/entertainment/tv-radio/lovehates-newest-star-an-undercover-cop-playing-an-undercover-cop-29657220.html

Ash.J.Williams

ted1 wrote: »

Haha that's hilarious you've obviously never watched any other TV program. Its a standard shot. I think Clint Eastwood might have even used it when riding past people in westerns

Boys in the hood!!

Collie D

AnonoBoy wrote: »

I thought they could use pretty much whatever music they like for the broadcast version but have to secure rights for the DVD release.

Anyone know if there are significant music changes on the DVDs? I've only watched it on TV so don't know.

I've only seen seasons 1-3 on DVD and not on TV and I don't remember any soundtrack..or at least nothing memorable. I actually thought it was a new thing for season 4

mightyreds

In the drug dealing montage, when it gave the angle from the cctv I was half expecting someone to fire a stone up and crack it.

Ash.J.Williams

EyeSight wrote: »

did anyone else cry when Debbie came on the screen? She is so annoying!

BTW i find the bouncer/cop to be a terrible actor. I hope they use the bent cop to stay undercover with Nidge

i think he looks the real deal!

hardCopy

Ash.J.Williams wrote: »

i thought the missing hand rail in the garda car also hinted at limited budget for repairs, it was in the news a while back.

I think they just wanted to squeeze in the phrase "Oh Jaysus Handle".

raven136

Anyone who loves good tv like the wire please check out this.Boomtown

A fantastic show and this pilot is one of the greatest pilot episodes

Shows like the wire and love/hate take a lot from this show

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pPWpJX_n_HA

cabb8ge

gadgetman496 wrote: »

Did it not show a scene where he was on the phone at work talking to his wife about his son who it appears has an addiction to drugs? That might give him every reason to take down Nidge and crew?

guy oustide the house is workng for Nidge, not son of Garda, he attempt to intimidate the Garda and wife

Ash.J.Williams

raven136 wrote: »

Anyone who loves good tv like the wire please check out this.Boomtown

A fantastic show and this pilot is one of the greatest pilot episodes

Shows like the wire and love/hate take a lot from this show

no they don't the Wire is the most original show ever written and all other shows steal from it, even shows from the 70's.

P.Walnuts

ted1 wrote: »

Haha that's hilarious you've obviously never watched any other TV program. Its a standard shot. I think Clint Eastwood might have even used it when riding past people in westerns

Two very similar shots is all i'm saying, where did I say it had never been done before?

I ment more the "you're not gonna get me this time" angle, sure Nidge didn't wag his finger but that was the gist of it the look.

hardCopy

P.Walnuts wrote: »

Two very similar shots is all i'm saying, where did I say it had never been done before?

I ment more the "you're not gonna get me this time" angle, sure Nidge didn't wag his finger but that was the gist of it the look.

I didn't think so to be honest. It wasn't really clear that Nidge saw them let alone recognised them. If Nidge spotted and IRA killer following him he'd floor it.

P.Walnuts

hardCopy wrote: »

I didn't think so to be honest. It wasn't really clear that Nidge saw them let alone recognised them. If Nidge spotted and IRA killer following him he'd floor it.

I dunno, he kept looking in his mirrors, was really nervous, wouldn't get out to visit his very sick mother and then looked directly at them driving out....my guess is he saw them.

sirgockster

Its a known fact Stuart Carolan takes things from other shows, He has even said it himself because he is a fan of other shows, I don't see nothing wrong with it, Even the best shows ever made took things from other shows before them

You just to watch the soaps they repeat the same story lines over and over again,They say The Wire is the best TV show ever made, Did you know a lot of the scenes were not even shot in Baltimore, We can all nit pick about the smallest of things but I'm to busy sitting back enjoying the show to give a damn about them

Shout Dust

I thought it was a bit stupid the way the undercover cops were parading through the main station where all the criminals are questioned, and then even went in to question Elmo.

AnonoBoy

raven136 wrote: »

Anyone who loves good tv like the wire please check out this.Boomtown

A fantastic show and this pilot is one of the greatest pilot episodes

Shows like the wire and love/hate take a lot from this show

Did The Wire and Boomtown not start at pretty much the same time?

Not sure how much was taken from it for The Wire - could just be certain elements were en vogue at the time.

Ash.J.Williams

Shout Dust wrote: »

I thought it was a bit stupid the way the undercover cops were parading through the main station where all the criminals are questioned, and then even went in to question Elmo.

they're not under cover

P.Walnuts

Ash.J.Williams wrote: »

they're not under cover

Apart from the grey haired guy that went undercover at the start to make the drug deal?

The dealer called him Heggo, he was definitely undercover.