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SRFC

Cienciano wrote: »

Nidge still alive is a bit over the top. The IRA want him dead. But they don't have enough guns and haven't got the contacts to import guns, so they need them alive?? They've been importing guns for the last 40 years! Surely they don't need to bend over for a little scumbag (who they all detest) after he killed one of their senior members?

They're taxing him aswell,hes a source of money why lose out on the money,tony told him to hand over money from the cash in transit robbery last night.

downonthefarm

he should just tell them straight you do your strokes and we'll do ours

BuilderPlumber

Nidgeweasel wrote: »

So with the ugliest woman in the country locked up for 'road rage', Dano bleeding to death in Ballygobackwards, and the hobbit working for Nidge it seems that Ra line is firmly on the back burner for the last two episodes while it focuses on the dental gear.

'Tiocfaidh ar lá' as Tony said at the end. That's pertinent. They'll have him clipped and the guards wont prevent it ala Martin Cahill.

I feel that with Dano certainly dead, this is closure for the IRA issue for now but it could come back again in the future. Nidge still does work for Tony and he needs to keep him happy. As for Lizzie: could she go to jail and return then in series 5 akin to how Fran re-emerged for series 3 out of prison?

The dentist could go in numerous ways: he could become a background necessity who is desperate for money and will sort out supply chain and financial issues for Nidge and/or Fran (depending on this pair's future relationship), he could get greedy and enjoy his new career and emerge as a threat, or he could fail miserably and end up in custody.

Episode 5 will bring the dentist up to speed and also the Tommy storyline as well as the pipebomb/suicide incident from series 2 will raise its head again. Potentially, Nidge could be chased down by a vengeful Fran, an angry and betrayed Tommy and a determined detective Moynihan all at once for the finale and could well see custody as his temporary stay alive strategy. Series 5 could see Nidge in custody, get off on a technicality and then see a return to a very tense Nidge v Fran storyline.

From the last two episodes, however, we still see Nidge as the gang boss with Fran loyal to him for now. Fran obeyed orders not to kill Tommy and also helped Nidge capture Wayne. At present, both need each other and the arrangement works. But my guess is they will fall out over Tommy and Tommy will become a close ally of Fran (imagine if Tommy told Fran about Linda - I'm sure Tommy knows this? Then, Fran tells Tommy who really attacked him and then they join forces against their common enemy, Nidge) leaving Nidge with no option but to become more deeply involved with Tony and the IRA.

For now, Nidge has good relations with Fran, Tommy, Tony and the dentist. However, the latter two may be his only allies in the very near future and he will need to become more republican and share more of the proceeds both with Tony and the dentist!

Cienciano

SRFC wrote: »

They're taxing him aswell,hes a source of money why lose out on the money,tony told him to hand over money from the cash in transit robbery last night.

He killed a senior member though. Surely that's instant death? Charlos mate.

BuilderPlumber

Cienciano wrote: »

Nidge still alive is a bit over the top. The IRA want him dead. But they don't have enough guns and haven't got the contacts to import guns, so they need them alive?? They've been importing guns for the last 40 years! Surely they don't need to bend over for a little scumbag (who they all detest) after he killed one of their senior members?

Tony sees far more of use in Nidge than he saw in Dano. Tony never was interested in revenge to the same extent as Dano was and he saw in Nidge a useful service.

IRA splinter groups do need new guns and need criminals like Nidge to survive. They also have no qualms about dealing with disobedient members like Dano and Lizzie too. Tony warned and advised Dano several times earlier not to clip Nidge.

Tony probably also knows that Nidge didn't actually kill Git (it was Tommy and Darren who actually did it). Potential for other stories here: if Tommy found out Nidge hit him on the head, Nidge could threaten Tommy by saying he'll tell Tony about his role in Git's death.

Initially, Tony was sympathetic with Dano but afterwards, no. Dano was seen as a drunkard and a liability who was wrapped up with his focus on personal revenge rather than getting the IRA jobs done. His disobedience was tolerated the first time around but Tony warned him he should be court marshalled by right. That's what happened last night. So, Tony saw a lot more use in Nidge far more than he saw in Dano as times moved on. IRA types protect their own but they are the first to ruthlessly deal with those who repeatedly stray from the leader's orders. Hiring Lizzie and Wayne and trying to conceal it and fool Tony was something that Tony could not tolerate and it left him with no option but to clip Dano (his leadership would be in question otherwise).

BuilderPlumber

kryogen wrote: »

I think it may have been a way out for her in a way, she seems to be a bit conflicted about the whole thing and maybe this is a way of taking the problem away for her, maybe she didn't fully want to go through with it, there have been signs of her unease about it, but maybe she didn't want to walk away from it either. She could have felt trapped into doing it.

Lizzie probably knew she had no other option. She was heading down the same road as Dano otherwise!

LionelNashe

Cienciano wrote: »

He killed a senior member though. Surely that's instant death? Charlos mate.

Not instant, but inevitable anyway. His day will come.

loveBBhate

LionelNashe wrote: »

Not instant, but inevitable anyway. His day will come.

Tiocfaidh Nidge's Lá

BuilderPlumber

LionelNashe wrote: »

Not instant, but inevitable anyway. His day will come.

As long as he keeps bringing in the guns and shares the money, he will be fine. Clearly, Tony and the others don't give a damn about Dano and his revenge mission. It was their decision to spare Nidge and kill Dano.

Jkonthehill

Are ye all blind !! Well its going to be nidge v Fran if the opening scene in the last episode was the Checkovs gun so to speak.

Nidge sticks the pipe into linda then sticks a pipe bomb into her house.

Fran is upset...yes very upset. Sure nobody knows only maybe darran but he is dead.

Ah wait sure didnt the traveller fella sell Nidge the pipe bomb and spoke to him for a bit.

Traveller sells bomb to nidge. Next day bomb goes off. He know's 100% it was nidge.


Flash forward Ep 4 and he comes to get a pup off fran.. and says he be back in 2 weeks to get him. Makes eye contact with nidge, director even opts for slow motion to emphasize it.

Check it out.

SniperSight

BuilderPlumber wrote: »

I'm sure Tommy knows this? Then, Fran tells Tommy who really attacked him and then they join forces against their common enemy, Nidge) leaving Nidge with no option but to become more deeply involved with Tony and the IRA.

Tommy barely knows himself, easy to imagine he can remember f-all.
Also Nidge could just inform Fran that it was Tommy who had a pop at him after Linda's funeral.

BuilderPlumber

Jkonthehill wrote: »

Are ye all blind !! Well its going to be nidge v Fran if the opening scene in the last episode was the Checkovs gun so to speak.

Nidge sticks the pipe into linda then sticks a pipe bomb into her house.

Fran is upset...yes very upset. Sure nobody knows only maybe darran but he is dead.

Ah wait sure didnt the traveller fella sell Nidge the pipe bomb and spoke to him for a bit.

Traveller sells bomb to nidge. Next day bomb goes off. He know's 100% it was nidge.


Flash forward Ep 4 and he comes to get a pup off fran.. and says he be back in 2 weeks to get him. Makes eye contact with nidge, director even opts for slow motion to emphasize it.

Check it out.

This will clearly be what episode 5 is going to be all about. Nidge will let his guard down as he senses he has not too much to worry about with Dano dead and Lizzie locked up.

This traveller could well tell Fran about Nidge or Nidge could organise a hit on the traveller to pre-empt this from happening. Neither would go down well with Fran somehow! Nidge could pin the blame on the traveller for selling the pipe bomb and Darren perhaps for throwing it thus avoiding a war with Fran for now! Or maybe the traveller will be brave enough to tell Fran first!

I read in the summer that Nidge would be tackling travellers as well as IRA, the cops and regular gangsters. So, we will be seeing a lot more of these guys and their links to Fran (2 years back, Fran was heavily involved in arranging/facilitating dog fights for travellers and series 4 has returned to this theme here).

Nidgeweasel

Jkonthehill wrote: »

Are ye all blind !! Well its going to be nidge v Fran if the opening scene in the last episode was the Checkovs gun so to speak.

Nidge sticks the pipe into linda then sticks a pipe bomb into her house.

Fran is upset...yes very upset. Sure nobody knows only maybe darran but he is dead.

Ah wait sure didnt the traveller fella sell Nidge the pipe bomb and spoke to him for a bit.

Traveller sells bomb to nidge. Next day bomb goes off. He know's 100% it was nidge.


Flash forward Ep 4 and he comes to get a pup off fran.. and says he be back in 2 weeks to get him. Makes eye contact with nidge, director even opts for slow motion to emphasize it.

Check it out.

I was wondering who that fella was, didn't place him.Makes sense now. That's the only link to the pipebomb too as John Boy and Darren are dead.

BuilderPlumber

SniperSight wrote: »

Tommy barely knows himself, easy to imagine he can remember f-all.
Also Nidge could just inform Fran that it was Tommy who had a pop at him after Linda's funeral.

For now, Tommy barely remembers himself and it is easy to imagine he remembers very little about the truth about what happens him. However, that situation will change very soon for any number of reasons (Tommy is improving slowly and too many people (well one Fran to be precise!) know):

-Tommy is very seriously hurt but he has made a great recovery and while he admits he is slow at times and definitely not his former self, he is far from being a vegetable and he does know who everyone is and what they are in his life. He will one day make an almost full recovery and while he may never get rid of the headaches and depression, he will bit by bit remember the truth (with help from others jogging his memory!).
-The cops will overhear everything and there probably will be talk about Tommy's assault between Fran and Nidge.
-Fran could well end up telling Tommy if his relations with Nidge sour.
-Tommy of course could also half remember things and blame poor old Fran in the wrong! Fran would then have to set him straight.

Of course, Nidge may well have to sacrifice Tommy to Fran and tell Fran that it was Tommy who did the pipe bomb attack on Linda. Nidge would only do this if Tommy realises it was Nidge who hit him (otherwise, he would blame Darren for the incident which would be 100% believable to Fran as Darren pipe bombed Dano's/Git's car outside the pub and Darren was always the hitman for John Boy most of the time). The big question of course is does Tommy also know Nidge did the attack? Darren was told but (while we did not as far as I recall see Darren or Nidge mention it to Tommy, it could be implied he knew as they were all very close and with Nidge hiding out that Christmas, this could make it common knowledge that more than likely it was Nidge who did it).

rubberdiddies

The last scene of the last episode will see Nidges boy Warren get clipped IMO

BuilderPlumber

rubberdiddies wrote: »

The last scene of the last episode will see Nidges boy Warren get clipped IMO

I too would not be a bit surprised if this was to happen. But by who is the question? Dano is dead (by all accounts at least), Lizzie is seemingly in custody (for either murder, manslaughter or at the very least serious assault), Tommy would not have it in him. That leaves Fran: a perfect revenge to avenge Linda? Definitely.

BuilderPlumber

Nidgeweasel wrote: »

I was wondering who that fella was, didn't place him.Makes sense now. That's the only link to the pipebomb too as John Boy and Darren are dead.

It will go 1 of two ways: the traveller could tell Fran he sold the bomb to Nidge to kill Linda (unlikely, as Fran would blame him as well as Nidge) or Nidge could tell Fran that the traveller was the one who did the mission for John Boy (possibly all by himself or with Darren or even Tommy should Tommy remember Nidge hit him!). Indeed, the travellers will probably end up as more enemies or potential enemies for Nidge.

Choochtown

That dentist has the look of a grass about him

wawaman

Choochtown wrote: »

That dentist has the look of a grass about him

In the preview of next weeks show, the guards speak to the dentist so you may be right about that one

michael999999

Id say the traveller will get clipped by that young Fellow Nidge gave a job to!

BuilderPlumber

michael999999 wrote: »

Id say the traveller will get clipped by that young Fellow Nidge gave a job to!

Yes, I could see this happening.

ibarelycare

BuilderPlumber wrote: »

I feel that with Dano certainly dead, this is closure for the IRA issue for now but it could come back again in the future. Nidge still does work for Tony and he needs to keep him happy. As for Lizzie: could she go to jail and return then in series 5 akin to how Fran re-emerged for series 3 out of prison?

The dentist could go in numerous ways: he could become a background necessity who is desperate for money and will sort out supply chain and financial issues for Nidge and/or Fran (depending on this pair's future relationship), he could get greedy and enjoy his new career and emerge as a threat, or he could fail miserably and end up in custody.

Episode 5 will bring the dentist up to speed and also the Tommy storyline as well as the pipebomb/suicide incident from series 2 will raise its head again. Potentially, Nidge could be chased down by a vengeful Fran, an angry and betrayed Tommy and a determined detective Moynihan all at once for the finale and could well see custody as his temporary stay alive strategy. Series 5 could see Nidge in custody, get off on a technicality and then see a return to a very tense Nidge v Fran storyline.

From the last two episodes, however, we still see Nidge as the gang boss with Fran loyal to him for now. Fran obeyed orders not to kill Tommy and also helped Nidge capture Wayne. At present, both need each other and the arrangement works. But my guess is they will fall out over Tommy and Tommy will become a close ally of Fran (imagine if Tommy told Fran about Linda - I'm sure Tommy knows this? Then, Fran tells Tommy who really attacked him and then they join forces against their common enemy, Nidge) leaving Nidge with no option but to become more deeply involved with Tony and the IRA.

For now, Nidge has good relations with Fran, Tommy, Tony and the dentist. However, the latter two may be his only allies in the very near future and he will need to become more republican and share more of the proceeds both with Tony and the dentist!

Nidge getting off with a technicality would be ridiculous, it would defeat the purpose of the whole cops storyline in this series. They're spending way too much time and being way too careful for him to get off and walk free when they do arrest him.

Nidgeweasel

rubberdiddies wrote: »

The last scene of the last episode will see Nidges boy Warren get clipped IMO

Bit harsh!!?

BuilderPlumber

ibarelycare wrote: »

Nidge getting off with a technicality would be ridiculous, it would defeat the purpose of the whole cops storyline in this series. They're spending way too much time and being way too careful for him to get off and walk free when they do arrest him.

I cannot see Nidge been taken down too easily by anyone. True, with Martin gone, Nidge has no insider in the cops yet but there could be some surprises.

The dentist and others will be carrying the can a lot of the time for what Nidge is doing. While I think Nidge will come close to being clipped, jailed longterm and all other kinds of misfortune, he will survive in one way or another.

irelandrover

BuilderPlumber wrote: »

I cannot see Nidge been taken down too easily by anyone. True, with Martin gone, Nidge has no insider in the cops yet but there could be some surprises.

The dentist and others will be carrying the can a lot of the time for what Nidge is doing. While I think Nidge will come close to being clipped, jailed longterm and all other kinds of misfortune, he will survive in one way or another.

Surely Nidge must be suspicious that his insider in the cops has been arrested. He must suspect that the cops are watching him closely and that is how they caught Martin.

BuilderPlumber

irelandrover wrote: »

Surely Nidge must be suspicious that his insider in the cops has been arrested. He must suspect that the cops are watching him closely and that is how they caught Martin.

Yes, and Nidge could well find out he has been bugged and then lead the cops on a wild goose chase. With the IRA threat gone, Nidge will be more tuned into the cops now.

Nidgeweasel

Frans really starting to unravel abit too isn't he. We've seen Hughie (S1) John Boy (S2) and Darren (S3) all meet their maker when they start to act irrationally. Or more irrationally then they otherwise would have. Darren possibly less so but worth noting maybe!

Ash.J.Williams

Cienciano wrote: »

He killed a senior member though. Surely that's instant death? Charlos mate.

He gave them Darren for that one

Ash.J.Williams

ibarelycare wrote: »

Nidge getting off with a technicality would be ridiculous, it would defeat the purpose of the whole cops storyline in this series. They're spending way too much time and being way too careful for him to get off and walk free when they do arrest him.

the cops have put everything into the sting operation to catch them in the act of shipping a container of narcotics...if that goes wrong then nidge is off.

BuilderPlumber

Nidgeweasel wrote: »

Frans really starting to unravel abit too isn't he. We've seen Hughie (S1) John Boy (S2) and Darren (S3) all meet their maker when they start to act irrationally. Or more irrationally then they otherwise would have. Darren possibly less so but worth noting maybe!

Fran's obsession with Noelie may cloud his judgement and perhaps could get him in very serious trouble. In the past, Fran did not tend to let personal emotions control him but revenge on Noelie seems to be his main job at present. Nidge or others could take advantage of this too. I hope Fran makes it out of series 4 alive as he is a great character.