Tesco in Ballybeg

Cabaal

I'm actually surprised nobody's mentioned this, I was listening to the last word on Today FM the other day and they discussed new Tesco that are opening around the country.

one of the new stores they mentioned was Tesco in Ballybeg in Waterford which is due to create about 120 jobs, very logically people txt in saying why are they building a Tesco in Ballybeg when you got three in Waterford already and one of them is only about 2km frm Ballybeg already.

If Tesco do open its sounds like they are trying to crowd out any other stores in Waterford in much the same way as Dunnes Stores have done for years in Kilkenny.

Also won't opening a new store in Ballybeg only further detract from people coming into the center of the city? imho it doesn't make sense that the council don't want the likes of TK Maxx outside of the city but its ok to open yet another Tesco which would further detract from the city center AND affect the business of Lisduggen (not just the Tesco in Lisduggen either).

Surely such a move is counterproductive to any existing stores in and around the 2km radius of ballybeg?

sorrywhat

I dont really understand how they are allowed to open up another store thats 2km away from tesco Lisduggan.

Why cant the people living in Ballybeg, templers hall etc just go there. I know the tesco up there in Lisduggan isn't the best and its small enough as well. Why doesnt tesco just invest the money into that one to, maybe expand if planning permission allowed, upgrade the interior of the shop itself.

It says they are creating 120 new jobs by building this new store but how many jobs will be lost as a result of this super chain opening up another store.

Oh and Cabaal, we have 4 already in Waterford if you count the one in Tramore. So when this one is finished there will be 5 tesco stores within a 20 mile radius of each other.

gscully

Cabaal wrote: »

I'm actually surprised nobody's mentioned this, I was listening to the last word on Today FM the other day and they discussed new Tesco that are opening around the country.

one of the new stores they mentioned was Tesco in Ballybeg in Waterford which is due to create about 120 jobs, very logically people txt in saying why are they building a Tesco in Ballybeg when you got three in Waterford already and one of them is only about 2km frm Ballybeg already.

If Tesco do open its sounds like they are trying to crowd out any other stores in Waterford in much the same way as Dunnes Stores have done for years in Kilkenny.

Also won't opening a new store in Ballybeg only further detract from people coming into the center of the city? imho it doesn't make sense that the council don't want the likes of TK Maxx outside of the city but its ok to open yet another Tesco which would further detract from the city center AND affect the business of Lisduggen (not just the Tesco in Lisduggen either).

Surely such a move is counterproductive to any existing stores in and around the 2km radius of ballybeg?

Isn't it about time that Ballybeg had something go their way? With all the negative press they get there, wouldn't it be great if this development actually looked nice, was looked after and attracted people from outside Ballybeg? You've also got the catchment areas of Templars Hall, Butlerstown, Carraig An Ard and Foxwood.

Let's face it, the Waterford Shopping Centre (Lisduggan) is a hole and is scheduled for demolition and reconstruction, should Frisby have his way, so why not Ballybeg?

I don't see how this would make people avoid town either, as you've already intimated that they go to Lisduggan.

ziedth

I agree,

The shops outside tesco lisduggan are very nice tbf but the tesco is easily the worst I have been in.

I actually think who they will do mire damage to is tesco ardkeen funnily enough.

Think about it, allot if people from the county travel out there because it is a nice spot but put the same one closer and prob easier to get to and very few will go out there.

I personally don't see a problem with it, if tesco think Templars hall ballybeg and the two other estates can make that place viable then good luck to them.

Finally, I think the shopping in centre point is moot because there is no tesco in the centre bar poleberry which iNt really centre anyway.

nkay1985

gscully wrote: »

Isn't it about time that Ballybeg had something go their way? With all the negative press they get there, wouldn't it be great if this development actually looked nice, was looked after and attracted people from outside Ballybeg? You've also got the catchment areas of Templars Hall, Butlerstown, Carraig An Ard and Foxwood.

Let's face it, the Waterford Shopping Centre (Lisduggan) is a hole and is scheduled for demolition and reconstruction, should Frisby have his way, so why not Ballybeg?

I don't see how this would make people avoid town either, as you've already intimated that they go to Lisduggan.

I think you've hit the nail on the head with two points there. The Lisduggan shopping centre is a hole and will always be until it's knocked and rebuilt. Tesco aren't going to spend the money knocking, clearing and building. It also makes more sense to position it where the new one is going with the new housing developments out that way and the bad associations people have with the one in Lisduggan.

I don't think it'll make a difference in people going to the city centre. It will affect other shopping centres like Tesco Lidsuggan and Superquinn but that's the nature of competition.

One thing I do hope though is that they don't leave it become a hang-out for little scumbags. This might be easier said than done.

fricatus

There are about 100,000 people within a 20 km radius of Waterford, so why not have five stores? One per 20,000? Sounds reasonable.

As regards the argument of people going into town, TK Maxx, etc., the theory is that different types of goods lend themselves best to different retail areas, so fridges, sofas and washing machines are best sold in big, out-of-town retail parks, and groceries are best sold in a number of local supermarkets.

The likes of clothes, jewellery, cosmetics, and the more specialised electronics, books, games and CDs, etc., should be sold in the city centre, because of their high value, small size, and a need for a concentration of options.

So while somewhere like Waterford would have more than one Tesco, it would only be likely to have one TK Maxx, one A-Wear, one River Island, etc., and shops like these should be in the centre. Of course we would only have one Harvey Norman, one Homebase, etc., but the nature of their businesses doesn't lend itself to city-centre retailing.

Cabaal

fricatus wrote: »

The likes of clothes, jewellery, cosmetics, and the more specialised electronics, books, games and CDs, etc., should be sold in the city centre, because of their high value, small size, and a need for a concentration of options.

Tesco can and do sell all of the above, so by selling these items its affecting business in the city as people would likely go into town to get these items

gscully

Cabaal wrote: »

Tesco can and do sell all of the above, so by selling these items its affecting business in the city as people would likely go into town to get these items

Yes, but not in a specialised way like Fricatus referred to. They sell cosmetics, but have no experts like Debenhams have. They don't sell jewellery, just accessories. The electronics are bargain-basement stuff and again, no experts to tell you anything about them.

Book shops and Record / CD shops have always been a part of local shopping in Waterford. Lisduggan had Books 'n' Things and BPM (Five-O before that?).

tonyagrey

Does anybody think that the Tesco Lisduggan could be closed once the new one opens?

Either way i think they are playing with words a little when they say 120 new jobs. How many will be lost in Lisduggan whether it closes or not? My guess you will have a net of 60/70 new jobs. Not to be sneezed at.

Either way i think its good for the city.
How many construction workers will be employed during the build? Each earning at least €500 a week, which will pour back into the local economy.
Staff once the shop opens
Security personnel at night

On top of this, mgt in the likes of Tesco dont make too many mistakes. They have done their market research, and obviously believe their is a market in Waterford. Thats GREAT news for Waterford. In a time when we have multinational companies talking about cutting back etc, Tesco obviously see the brighter side/glass half full and are expanding.

Its a good location and will help to bring employment to the Ballybeg area. The positives far outweight the negatives in my opinion.

rayc

As far as I knew the plan was always to close the tesco in lisduggan and move it to the new Ballybeg one. That was what I had heard almost 2 years ago now. So no change really, there'd still be 3 tescos.

Cabaal

gscully wrote: »

Yes, but not in a specialised way like Fricatus referred to. They sell cosmetics, but have no experts like Debenhams have. They don't sell jewellery, just accessories. The electronics are bargain-basement stuff and again, no experts to tell you anything about them.

Book shops and Record / CD shops have always been a part of local shopping in Waterford. Lisduggan had Books 'n' Things and BPM (Five-O before that?).

Its still going to take business from the city center either way you look at it though

mike65

What is the story with Lisduggan? I remember the plans which involved with bank site next door and all sorts of goodness being promised.

ziedth

I'm not so sure Cabaal,

Anyone who is going to buy their CD's, Cosmetics or DVD players from Tesco more then likely wouldn't have gone into town anyway.

I don't see how this one is going to draw MORE from the centre just more from the other areas around the city.

gscully

mike65 wrote: »

What is the story with Lisduggan? I remember the plans which involved with bank site next door and all sorts of goodness being promised.

Frisby felt his time was better served objecting to TK Maxx :rolleyes:

gscully

Cabaal wrote: »

Its still going to take business from the city center either way you look at it though

In terms of CDs, DVDs and games, the city centre also has to compete with the internet (online shopping & legal / not-so-legal downloading). What Tesco has in comparison to that is not worth worrying about.

jonnyfingers

Cabaal wrote: »

Its still going to take business from the city center either way you look at it though

I don't think it will have a huge impact really. I live next to Tesco Lisduggan but shop in Tesco Ardkeen as Lisduggan is pretty crap. I will probably go to the new one when it's built instead of Ardkeen as Ballybeg is closer. There's nothing that I buy in town that I will be going to the new tesco to get instead. If anything if I was buying things in Tesco instead of town already I'd just be buying it at a different tesco. So they'd mostly be taking business from their own stores.

nkay1985

jonnyfingers wrote: »

I don't think it will have a huge impact really. I live next to Tesco Lisduggan but shop in Tesco Ardkeen as Lisduggan is pretty crap. I will probably go to the new one when it's built instead of Ardkeen as Ballybeg is closer. There's nothing that I buy in town that I will be going to the new tesco to get instead. If anything if I was buying things in Tesco instead of town already I'd just be buying it at a different tesco. So they'd mostly be taking business from their own stores.

Yep I'm with you there. I think that's how most people are seeing it in fairness.

dayshah

I'm not so worried about taking business from the city centre. How many people travel to the city centre to do their grocery shopping? Perhaps some people go to Dunnes in City Square and take the bus back.

With the new houses that were built I think Ballybeg can sustain a supermaket (where exactly should it go?). Given that its not in the centre (and sorry to anyone from there, but an ugly part of the city) I willing to say that if a company wants to take the risk of building a place, let them.

I think the more serious issue is that Tescos are trying to put a ring of supermarkets around Waterford to stifle competition like Dunnes do in other places. But we can't really force Supervalue or someone to open one in Ballybeg.

nkay1985

dayshah wrote: »

I'm not so worried about taking business from the city centre. How many people travel to the city centre to do their grocery shopping? Perhaps some people go to Dunnes in City Square and take the bus back.

With the new houses that were built I think Ballybeg can sustain a supermaket (where exactly should it go?). Given that its not in the centre (and sorry to anyone from there, but an ugly part of the city) I willing to say that if a company wants to take the risk of building a place, let them.

I think the more serious issue is that Tescos are trying to put a ring of supermarkets around Waterford to stifle competition like Dunnes do in other places. But we can't really force Supervalue or someone to open one in Ballybeg.

Well competition is always a good thing but would Tesco not have national pricing rather than local? I suppose I'm asking how would Tesco having a monopoly in the city affect the consumer. Or are you worried that it causes small businesses to close down in the way that Walmart does in America?

longshanks

the only supermarket i can see them troubling is the centra in ballybeg, and maybe superquinn. other than that they would mostly be drawing customers from their lisduggan store. also, the folks who travel to the ardkeen store will have a closer option.

dayshah

nkay1985 wrote: »

Well competition is always a good thing but would Tesco not have national pricing rather than local? I suppose I'm asking how would Tesco having a monopoly in the city affect the consumer. Or are you worried that it causes small businesses to close down in the way that Walmart does in America?

I'm not saying its a bad thing, just that it would be better for competition if Supervalue or someone else opened up. If Tesco open up then it will be hard for another supermarket to get planning permission in the area. But hey, they have the same chances to open up in Ballybeg as Tesco but decided not to.

It used to be the law that chains have to charge the same price in all their stores in Ireland. Is this still the case?

coolperson05

I think its a great idea. The land it's being built on was no use to anyone. Its near enough to the Cork Road, a huge population area including WIT and it's off the Six Cross Roads roundabout on the ORR which will attract more people travelling along that. Lisduggan shopping centre needs to be closed and something done about it.
And as for city centre issue, I'm sure if there was a unit or, heaven forbid, shopping centre built in the city centre, Tesco of all people would happily give Dunnes a run for their money. Tesco and big chains like that never do their own building in city centres, thats for developers to do.

wmpdd3

I doubt the new Tesco will have a clothing or non food section because of the same issues that effect Ardkeen and TK Max.

All Tesco stores have the same prices except the Express stores.

Who said Lisduggan shopping center is due for demolition? Have they applied for planning permission?

What do you think they will call the store.....Tesco Ballybeg or Lacken Rd or what?

rasper

Why is there an army of people all out to promote the city centre no matter what the cost, why not just let the markets dictate where the outlet (subject to reasonable planning), ya cant force people into the cc with its crap transport and poor parking, so why not let the city centre and its high rent outlets attract the conumers themselves rather than try to deprive everyone of anywhere else.
It just seems like madness

THall04

wmpdd3 wrote: »

Who said Lisduggan shopping center is due for demolition? Have they applied for planning permission?

The Waterford Shopping Centre.....which happens to be in Lisduggan ..... was due to be demolished about 5 years ago , with a new shopping mall to be built over the entire site , doing away with all the open green areas around it (up by the bank...behind Larchiville etc..).....but it was held up by lengthy planning appeals (the only good thing B.McCann ever did). Probably put on the long finger now due to the recession.

Saddens me to see Tesco Lisduggan turn into such a kip (used to work there) but I go out of my way to shop in Ardkeen............will be shopping in Ballybeg now as soon as it opens.

nkay1985

THall04 wrote: »

Saddens me to see Tesco Lisduggan turn into such a kip (used to work there) but I go out of my way to shop in Ardkeen............will be shopping in Ballybeg now as soon as it opens.

I'm 25 and remember pretty much always thinking it was a kip.

suirfire

Tesco's are opening the new store in Ballybeg and closing down other one.........cant say yet which store that is but i think we all know

Yet again something good comes to Waterford and people try to knock it as it not bang in the center of town :rolleyes:

gscully

We'd be better served getting rid of some of the crap shops in the city centre. I was in John Roberts Sq this morning, and one of the more noticeable shops there was a bright yellow 'Cash For Gold' shop. There's a place for shops like that, and smack bang in the middle of the centre is not it!

:mad:

ex_infantry man

used do security on the mall in the waterford shopping centre and yes its one major dive and will prob fall down instead of knocked.

Finnbar01

Planning permission for the new Waterford shopping Centre was given in 2006. I'll doubt if it will go ahead now though.

The existing ‘Waterford Shopping Centre’ which has been in situ since the 70s, will be demolished in stages and a bigger and better version will be built stretching from the site of the neighbouring Bank of Ireland off Paddy Browne’s Road, which will be knocked.

There’ll be 32 shopping units including larger stores for anchor tenants Tesco and Heatons, three restaurants, two banks (a new BOI and TSB), a new library space, two retail warehouses and a total of 907 car parking spaces.“The design remains essentially the same as approved by Waterford City Council with some minor changes to traffic circulation which are acceptable,” said Noel Frisby. “In limiting the scale of the centre to that appropriate to a district centre as defined in the retail guidelines, the Board would seem to have laid down a firm marker for any future proposals for retail developments outside of Waterford city centre.”

http://archives.tcm.ie/waterfordnews/2006/11/10/story23829.asp

Finnbar01

gscully wrote: »

We'd be better served getting rid of some of the crap shops in the city centre. I was in John Roberts Sq this morning, and one of the more noticeable shops there was a bright yellow 'Cash For Gold' shop. There's a place for shops like that, and smack bang in the middle of the centre is not it!

:mad:

And you want to be some idiot to exchange your gold in one of these rip off shops.