Soon to need a prescription for Nurofen/Solphadine/etc?

BogMonkey

Nevore wrote: »

They're allowed cross the road, but it is regulated where and when they can do so. Bad analogy is bad.

Yeah in a busy city full of traffic lights its regulated but in a residential area or a town where there are no traffic lights its not regulated when and where you can cross. Its just assumed that people have the common sense not to cross when theres a car speeding towards them.

Nevore wrote: »

Eh, the declining effectiveness of antibiotics generally, and the rise of antibiotic-resistant bacteria is pretty well documented.

Lets use MRSA as an example. "Methicillin" resistant staphyllococcus aureus. A random mutation occured which coded for an enzyme that breaks down beta lactams. The solution here seems fairly simple. Don't use beta lactams on MRSA. Penicillins and cephalosporins have beta lactam rings but tetracyclins don't. Targetting bacterial cell walls is just 1 of the many known attack mechanisms for killing bacteria in vivo though. For example you can interrupt bacterial chromosome replication with quinolones. There are scores of novel antibiotics present in plants. I doubt bacteria will ever evolve an enzyme that can break down silver nano particles. Lets ****in hope not anyway, there'd be microscale nuclear explosions left, right and centre.

I often wonder how the media gets away with spreading such bull****. Like this swine flu "pandemic". You were 20 times more likely to die from the regular flu and they had people going out and getting vaccinated for the H1N1 flu.

bleg

The rise of MRSA and (the many) other resistant bacteria is directly attributable to the overuse of antibiotics. Making all antibiotics OTC will worsen the situation, not improve it. It is agreed that we should be limiting the amount of antibiotics we are using.


Anyway we're going off topic. Your issues and more have been covered in the Health Sciences forum if you want to have a look at them.

Alicat

BogMonkey wrote: »

And spend 60 euros so he can prescribe you what you already know you need and could have bought in the pharmacy?

Yeah but you can't just walk into a pharmacy and buy them willy nilly anymore so...if someone 'needs' them on a regular basis, they'll have to do just that. Most people don't 'need' them and if they suffer quite a lot from whatever pain it is they might be better off getting a presciption painkiller that would suit them much better than solpadeine or nurofen plus anyway.

BluesBerry

I suffer really bad headaches on a daily basis and the doctor put it down to taking solpidine and nerophen (after further investigation it was not the case) Told me to stop taking them and try paracetamol and perscribed breuphan
Suffering for the last few months I said fcuk it and yesterday I went in to buy nerophen plus haven't bought them since the new laws came in
I kinda knew what to expect from hearing stories of people and reading this thread

I got a narky pharmacist who went all high and mighty wanting to know what I would be using it for in front of a load of customers no privacy at all I was not even taken to one side She wanted to know what I had taken had I tried alternatives and would I , I was there for a good 5 mins I know this had to be done but damn I didn't realise it would have been that intrusive I felt she was shining a light in my eye and interrogating me but the more she questioned and tried to deter me I wanted them more than ever after going through that questioning I was not leaving without them then

Anyway I had forgotten how fcuking wonderful nerophen are for the first time in months I am pain free

Kurtosis

username123 wrote: »

Can you provide a link to the legislation covering this please?

This article would suggest that it is not illegal unless they are prescription medicines.

And this publication from IMB themselves:

actually states:


It also states:


But nowhere does it state that it is illegal to buy an otc medicine online. And until I see the legislation covering it I dont have an issue ordering my otc medicines from registered UK online pharmacies.

Solpadeine, Nurofen Plus etc. are not the same as other OTC medicines as they also fall under the remit of the Misuse of Drugs legislation.

The supply of medicinal products by mail order is illegal. An exemption was introduced so that this did not apply to "a medicinal product which by virtue of these Regulations (S.I. No. 540/2003) may be supplied otherwise than in accordance with a prescription."

So in general, mail order supply of non-prescription medicines in not illegal. However for codeine-containing over the counter medicines, their non-prescription status is granted by the Misuse of Drugs Act since codeine is a controlled drug. In addition, there are parts of the Misuse of Drugs legislation covering importation of controlled drugs which may also be relevant. So I definitely would not take it as a given that these products can be ordered online legally.

Sardonicat

BluesBerry wrote: »

I suffer really bad headaches on a daily basis and the doctor put it down to taking solpidine and nerophen (after further investigation it was not the case) Told me to stop taking them and try paracetamol and perscribed breuphan
Suffering for the last few months I said fcuk it and yesterday I went in to buy nerophen plus haven't bought them since the new laws came in
I kinda knew what to expect from hearing stories of people and reading this thread

I got a narky pharmacist who went all high and mighty wanting to know what I would be using it for in front of a load of customers no privacy at all I was not even taken to one side She wanted to know what I had taken had I tried alternatives and would I , I was there for a good 5 mins I know this had to be done but damn I didn't realise it would have been that intrusive I felt she was shining a light in my eye and interrogating me but the more she questioned and tried to deter me I wanted them more than ever after going through that questioning I was not leaving without them then

Anyway I had forgotten how fcuking wonderful nerophen are for the first time in months I am pain free

FFS! Nurofen does not contain codeine. It is ibuprofen, the same drug as Brufen; you know, the one your Dr. prescribed you!

If you can't tell the difference then it is just as well that the pharmicist takes on the reposnsibility for you.

Yet another poster beautifully demonstrating how necessary these new measures are.

Wickerman1

I think that you can buy solpedeine without codine in the North!

A friend brought home the Spanish OTC equivalent and it has more than 3 times the codeine content!

Jumpy

Sardonicat wrote: »

FFS! Nurofen does not contain codeine. It is ibuprofen, the same drug as Brufen; you know, the one your Dr. prescribed you!

If you can't tell the difference then it is just as well that the pharmicist takes on the reposnsibility for you.

Yet another poster beautifully demonstrating how necessary these new measures are.

Nurofen Plus does contain it. It was mentioned at the start of the post.

Either way, codeine causes rebound headaches. The more it is used, then the higher chance of a rebound headache when stopping, prompting more use.
This is aside from the addiction.

ebixa82

Wickerman1 wrote: »

I think that you can buy solpedeine without codine in the North!

Yes, it's called Paracetamol. You can buy it here too.

Insomniac_

Bout time .. girls are the worst.. in school they must have cleared out the chemists the amout of painkillers they walked around with ... Mates take them for any little thing either.. Ive never taken anything in my life.. Will do when I actually need a painkiller..

BogMonkey

penguin88 wrote: »

So I definitely would not take it as a given that these products can be ordered online legally.

But you're not sure that ordering them is illegal? I wonder what the laws are concerning bringing codeine containing medications into Ireland too. Thats an interesting article. There are plenty of prescription medications I'd like to order but I assumed an order like that'd be almost guaranteed to be seized by customs.

Sardonicat wrote: »

FFS! Nurofen does not contain codeine. It is ibuprofen, the same drug as Brufen; you know, the one your Dr. prescribed you!

That person you replied to didn't even say regular nurofen contained codeine.

Kurtosis

BogMonkey wrote: »

But you're not sure that ordering them is illegal? I wonder what the laws are concerning bringing codeine containing medications into Ireland too. Thats an interesting article. There are plenty of prescription medications I'd like to order but I assumed an order like that'd be almost guaranteed to be seized by customs.

Well from my reading of the relevant legislation, I would be more sure that ordering them is not legal rather than legal. As I said already, by default ordering in medicinal products is illegal, but an exemption is granted to medicines that are given non-prescription status in those Medicinal Products regulations. However, codeine-containing medicines are available off prescription due to being classified in Schedule 5 of the Misuse of Drugs legislation. I do not have a legal background so would not be able to say it with complete certainty, but for this reason, I believe ordering in such products is not legal.

BogMonkey

penguin88 wrote: »

Well from my reading of the relevant legislation, I would be more sure that ordering them is not legal rather than legal.

You're probably right but I'm gonna ask someone who works in this area to be sure.

Insomniac_ wrote: »

Bout time .. girls are the worst.. in school they must have cleared out the chemists the amout of painkillers they walked around with ... Mates take them for any little thing either.. Ive never taken anything in my life.. Will do when I actually need a painkiller..

What business is it of yours what other people like to take. Does other people taking painkillers affect you in any way?

Jimmy Bottlehead

It is true though, females swallow painkillers at a ridiculous rate.

Jumpy

BogMonkey wrote: »

What business is it of yours what other people like to take. Does other people taking painkillers affect you in any way?

Yes. I have seen a healthy person get to 6 stone and go slowly insane from addiction to codeine. Plus liver and brain damage.

Sardonicat

BogMonkey wrote: »

That person you replied to didn't even say regular nurofen contained codeine.

The person I replied to didn't seem to be able to tell the difference between Nurofen & Nurofen+. S/he was using the names
interchangeably, hence my response.

BluesBerry wrote: »

I suffer really bad headaches on a daily basis and the doctor put it down to taking solpidine and nerophen (after further investigation it was not the case) Told me to stop taking them and try paracetamol and perscribed breuphan

BluesBerry wrote: »

Suffering for the last few months I said fcuk it and yesterday I went in to buy nerophen plus haven't bought them since the new laws came in

BluesBerry wrote: »

Anyway I had forgotten how fcuking wonderful nerophen are for the first time in months I am pain free

If you have been following this thread then you will know that this seems to be a trend amongst many of the posters. It's not just ignorance about codeine containing products but all OTC medicines.

This depth of ignorance is shocking and inexcusable.

BluesBerry

Sardonicat wrote: »

The person I replied to didn't seem to be able to tell the difference between Nurofen & Nurofen+. S/he was using the names
interchangeably, hence my response.










If you have been following this thread then you will know that this seems to be a trend amongst many of the posters. It's not just ignorance about codeine containing products but all OTC medicines.

This depth of ignorance is shocking and inexcusable.

So I forgot to put plus beside nurofen well done you for showing my ignorance

Sardonicat

BluesBerry wrote: »

So I forgot to put plus beside nurofen well done you for showing my ignorance

Thank you. Anytime.;)


You see, when you "forget the plus" you are naming a different drug to the one with the plus. As I cannot read your mind, when you forget the plus I can only presume that you mean the drug without codeine.


When having a consultation with a Dr./pharmacist would you also not bother to get the name of a medicine you are taking exactly right under the assumption that they are mind readers? If there were consequences, who would you be blaming?


What do you think would happen if a healthcare professional similarly "forgot" to specify which drug in particular they were referring to?

policeman

Remember the reason why there are so many codeine nazi's on this thread is because of the risk of litigation when it comes to these otc drugs, in fact it's the main reason why these guideines exist. Loss of money through massive law suits scare the bejeezus out of them. Don't be duped into thinking any of these gestapo officers actually give a fiddlers about what, why, and how much you ingest. It's pure folly.

Kurtosis

policeman wrote: »

Remember the reason why there are so many codeine nazi's on this thread is because of the risk of litigation when it comes to these otc drugs, in fact it's the main reason why these guideines exist. Loss of money through massive law suits scare the bejeezus out of them. Don't be duped into thinking any of these gestapo officers actually give a fiddlers about what, why, and how much you ingest. It's pure folly.

Also bear in mind that soluble Solpadeine come in tin foil, so when you've finished with them, you can use the packaging to fashion a stylish hat.

policeman

Yeah, I'll wear my solpadeine hat in court.

Of course, suddenly deciding 'to care about us' since August doesn't currently preclude said smug pharmacists from legal action for selling this addictive substance for years and years, the drug they're all of a sudden so concerned about. Imagine it, mass legal action by hundreds if not thousands of people who are now 'codeine addicts', as a direct result of them knowingly selling it. Or perhaps maybe a continuous stream of lawsuits. Now that would be fun.

Kurtosis

policeman wrote: »

Yeah, I'll wear my solpadeine hat in court.

Of course, suddenly deciding 'to care about us' since August doesn't currently preclude said smug pharmacists from legal action for selling this addictive substance for years and years, the drug they're all of a sudden so concerned about. Imagine it, mass legal action by hundreds if not thousands of people who are now 'codeine addicts', as a direct result of them knowingly selling it. Or perhaps maybe a continuous stream of lawsuits. Now that would be fun.

Oh I see your point, so it will be just like all those alcoholics who brought law suits against the pubs and off-licences and the smokers suing the newsagents...or not. How many years have codeine containing OTC medicines been on the market in this country and how many law suits have resulted from this?

To be honest judging by responses both in pharmacies and on this thread, the most likely cause for legal action would be a pharmacist refusing to supply a codeine addict with their fix.

policeman

Now now don't compare it with alcohol, or cigarettes.tut tut. They're not relevant remember? Everyone knows the risks with booze and tobacco.

These on the otherhand are products explicitly sold for medicinal use only, the risks of which known for a century but conveniently ignored until, eh, last month.

Addiction to opiates is much more serious as you and your compadres would agree, and for some opportunistic lawyers and their poor addicted clients this might just prove to be a bit of a bonanza.
People now without their fix, as a result of the guidelines are only now realising they are addicted so that's why there haven't been any lawsuits before.This could all change.

Now this is all wild speculation I admit, but who knows, anything can happen:cool:

Sardonicat

policeman wrote: »

These on the otherhand are products explicitly sold for medicinal use only, the risks of which known for a century but conveniently ignored until, eh, last month.

Who has been witholding that codeine is addictive? I'm not a medical professional and I have known this for a long time. I think I may have discovered this top secret information by reading the info that comes with the packaging. Oh, and paying attention to the advice my Dr./dentist gave me any time they advised me to take a codeine containing otc product.

bleg

policeman wrote: »

Yeah, I'll wear my solpadeine hat in court.

Of course, suddenly deciding 'to care about us' since August doesn't currently preclude said smug pharmacists from legal action for selling this addictive substance for years and years, the drug they're all of a sudden so concerned about. Imagine it, mass legal action by hundreds if not thousands of people who are now 'codeine addicts', as a direct result of them knowingly selling it. Or perhaps maybe a continuous stream of lawsuits. Now that would be fun.

How many of the sales were conducted directly by the pharmacist before the new guidelines? The vast majority were by the OTC assistant. This has changed and it is now necessary for pharmacists to see the patient.

bronte

Jimmy Bottlehead wrote: »

It is true though, females swallow painkillers at a ridiculous rate.

Oh Gee, I wonder why?

Insomniac_

BogMonkey wrote: »

What business is it of yours what other people like to take. Does other people taking painkillers affect you in any way?

Its not healthy... you see girls of the age of 13(1st year) begging the older girls for painkillers (Headache) what everyday? go too a doctor

ebixa82

policeman wrote: »

Remember the reason why there are so many codeine nazi's on this thread is because of the risk of litigation when it comes to these otc drugs, in fact it's the main reason why these guideines exist. Loss of money through massive law suits scare the bejeezus out of them. Don't be duped into thinking any of these gestapo officers actually give a fiddlers about what, why, and how much you ingest. It's pure folly.

There is absolutely no risk of litigation with these products.

To put it quite simply, you are talking absolute bollix.

BTW can you explain why you are comparing highly trained health care professionals to a political party, involved in biological racism and antisemitism, responsible for the death of millions of Jews during WWII?

policeman

Well now Mr Smugerino of Smugdom, just for the sake of argument there is in fact one way I can make such a comparison involving health care professionals:
I suppose you could say they gave the unsuspecting victims poison in the form of zyklon b, and the multi billion euro drugs industry, propped up by the health care profession, has been unscrupulously feeding humanity all sort of poisons, some of which have killed and maimed over the decades [yet another example: http://www.nigeriavillagesquare.com/articles/paul-adujie/kano-nigeria-versus-pfizer-pharmaceuticals.html - there are loads more cases like this], or, as in the case of addictive substances, caused massive dependance

ebixa82

policeman wrote: »

Well now Mr Smugerino of Smugdom, just for the sake of argument there is in fact one way I can make such a comparison involving health care professionals:
I suppose you could say they gave the unsuspecting victims poison in the form of zyklon b, and the multi billion euro drugs industry, propped up by the health care profession, has been unscrupulously feeding humanity all sort of poisons, some of which have killed and maimed over the decades [yet another example: http://www.nigeriavillagesquare.com/articles/paul-adujie/kano-nigeria-versus-pfizer-pharmaceuticals.html - there are loads more cases like this], or, as in the case of addictive substances, caused massive dependance

Is that you Jim Corr??

ch750536

nurofen's for pussies.;)

ebixa82

ch750536 wrote: »

nurofen's for pussies.;)

Pussies and inflammation. At least that's what it says on the packaging!

policeman

Making light of me in general is one thing, but making light of me because I referenced something where people died is another.

Are you a lowlife hiding underneath that smug blanket, as one might expect?

It's scary to think that people like you deal with other human beings, and part of your job is pretending to care, and I've no doubt that you pretend very well my friend.

In fact your next post will be protesting this accusation, all part of the pretense.

http://theglobalrealm.com/2010/07/11/pfizer-the-drug-giant-that-makes-bank-from-drugs-that-can-kill-you/

:cool:

Kurtosis

policeman wrote: »

Making light of me in general is one thing, but making light of me because I referenced something where people died is another.

Are you a lowlife hiding underneath that smug blanket, as one might expect?

It's scary to think that people like you deal with other human beings, and part of your job is pretending to care, and I've no doubt that you pretend very well my friend.

In fact your next post will be protesting this accusation, all part of the pretense.

http://theglobalrealm.com/2010/07/11/pfizer-the-drug-giant-that-makes-bank-from-drugs-that-can-kill-you/

:cool:

Pfizer don't have any codeine-containing medicines on the market, what's the relevance of the link?

D'Agger

Ahhhh Shít Neurofens the only thing that properly gets rid of my migrane - why will there need to be a prescription for it? I get solpadine as it contains codine which is fairly addictive but Neurofens grand like

bleg

Nurofen and nurofen plus are available without prescription.

D'Agger

bleg wrote: »

Nurofen and nurofen plus are available without prescription.

Isn't the thread title "Soon to need a prescription for..."

SeaFields

PaulieC wrote: »

Isn't the thread title "Soon to need a prescription for..."

Yeah, that was a mistake

mathepac

PaulieC wrote: »

Isn't the thread title "Soon to need a prescription for..."

Unfortunately the thread title and a lot of the thread content is inaccurate, misleading and just generally doodoo.

FishWhiskers

Do these regulations apply to pholcodine cough medicines too? I don't think pholcodine is addictive like codeine but it is an opiate. I hope they don't regulate that too because thats by far the best remedy I've found for those dry, tickly coughs. Benylin and other dextromethorphan ones make me feel weird so I don't take them.

Kasabian

I was in Boots on Sunday and went to the counter to ask for some Nurofen Plus, was told by the girl at the counter that I would have to speak with the Pharmacist. Ok no big deal there. Stood back and waited my turn. Next two people in the queue are then promptly served with packs of Nurofen. I notice this and mention it to my brother who has just come into the shop, he says "you look stoned".

I go to the counter and ask the girl why she has me waiting for the Pharmacist when she has just given two customers Nurofen.

Turns out Nurofen and Nurofen Plus are very different animals. Thank God I wasn't stoned I would have been very upset by the victimisation.:pac:

bleg

Kasabian wrote: »

I was in Boots on Sunday and went to the counter to ask for some Nurofen Plus, was told by the girl at the counter that I would have to speak with the Pharmacist. Ok no big deal there. Stood back and waited my turn. Next two people in the queue are then promptly served with packs of Nurofen. I notice this and mention it to my brother who has just come into the shop, he says "you look stoned".

I go to the counter and ask the girl why she has me waiting for the Pharmacist when she has just given two customers Nurofen.

Turns out Nurofen and Nurofen Plus are very different animals. Thank God I wasn't stoned I would have been very upset by the victimisation.:pac:

Is there a point to this story other than your brother thought you looked stoned?

Kasabian

bleg wrote: »

Is there a point to this story other than your brother thought you looked stoned?

No, maybe, yes thanks for asking.

Now have you a reason for your query or are you just trying to be smart.

FishWhiskers

Kasabian wrote: »

Turns out Nurofen and Nurofen Plus are very different animals. Thank God I wasn't stoned I would have been very upset by the victimisation.:pac:

No ****. Do you even look at the active ingredients of the pharmaceutical products you use?

Kasabian

FishWhiskers wrote: »

No ****. Do you even look at the active ingredients of the pharmaceutical products you use?

Yes in great detail. I like to mix them correctly.

My post was suppose to be anecdotal as in the other people only asked for Nurofen and didn't need to talk to the Pharmacist, I not realising this and having asked for Nurofen Plus was a little put out.

That is all , no great world changing accurance, just a misunderstanding on my side that I thought I would share.

Sorry if I have upset anyone.

Are you a chemist?

:pac:

bleg

Kasabian wrote: »

No, maybe, yes thanks for asking.

Now have you a reason for your query or are you just trying to be smart.

Just genuinely didn't know if there was a point.

ebixa82

Kasabian wrote: »

I was in Boots on Sunday and went to the counter to ask for some Nurofen Plus, was told by the girl at the counter that I would have to speak with the Pharmacist. Ok no big deal there. Stood back and waited my turn. Next two people in the queue are then promptly served with packs of Nurofen. I notice this and mention it to my brother who has just come into the shop, he says "you look stoned".

I go to the counter and ask the girl why she has me waiting for the Pharmacist when she has just given two customers Nurofen.

Turns out Nurofen and Nurofen Plus are very different animals. Thank God I wasn't stoned I would have been very upset by the victimisation.:pac:

The reason for this is that there are new guidelines in practice in relation to the sale of codeine containing products. Nurofen does not contain codeine and so can be sold by non-pharmacist members of staff..

There used to be a big long thread on it in AH before, 80% of which consisted of misinformation, and anecdotal evidence of addiction and abuse..if I find it I'll pass you on the link!

michael2121

I went to the boots in the wilton today to buy some solpadeine and my god where to begin. First interrogated about why i was buying it then after i said it was for my Girlfriend who is at home suffering from a massive headache i was told she had to come in or else i cannot buy it. so i left.

then went to o' sullivans in the wilton and after a lecture about codine and saying it was for me and that i had tried paracetamol and nurofen they sold me a 12 pack when i had asked for a 24 pack. not that i need to state but a 24 box would last me months.

This is a Joke to say the least and how many people realistically are hooked on solpadeine ? So now i have to lie to get medicine. next we will have to get it from a drug dealer.

So now here is the tutorial to buy medicine :
1. Listen to the lecture about the new legislation about codeine containing products.
2. State one of the following symptoms :
Headache Neuralgia
Rheumatic Pain Backache
Cold/influenza Sore throat
Toothache Period Pain
Migraine Feverishness

Pick one of the ones that is harder to cure with paracetamol and nurofen

3. Say you have taken paracetamol and nurofen and that they did not work.
4. Then cross your fingers and you might get a 12 box WAHOO !!!!!

This is what it has come to. so there is my advice and best of luck. Freedom Ya right !!!!!!

Logical Fallacy

michael2121 wrote: »

So now here is the tutorial to buy medicine :
1. Listen to the lecture about the new legislation about codeine containing products.
2. State one of the following symptoms :
Headache Neuralgia
Rheumatic Pain Backache
Cold/influenza Sore throat
Toothache Period Pain
Migraine Feverishness

Pick one of the ones that is harder to cure with paracetamol and nurofen

I tried the period pain thing but they didn't believe me. Damn my beard to hell!

gcgirl

I suffer from back pain, Trap nerve down my left side, Mingraine since i was 7/8,
Sinus problems in which some cases i am trying to get silicon like **** out of my nose and a freaking prolasped womb, I suppose i could stay in bed but i've 3 kids to raise and i need my pain killers before i end up killing some one!