Soon to need a prescription for Nurofen/Solphadine/etc?

Odysseus

Biggins wrote: »

I did. Illegal ones that are listed as class "A" or "B" etc...
Gripe water (liquid) is in a whole different ball game altogether.

Whilst cleaning my rifle, "I'm watching you":D

Biggins

Nevore wrote: »

Well, you didn't qualify your previous post with that caveat. :P

Would da thought da was obvious.

Odysseus wrote: »

Whilst cleaning my rifle, "I'm watching you"

Well I have my M40A3 cleaned already!

Coriolanus

Biggins wrote: »

Would da thought da was obvious.

Yeah, but by your criteria, cocaine and heroin wouldn't incur your wrath. They're not illegal per se. Hash, coca leaf, shrooms, oatmeal tainted with ergot poisoning, sure, all illegal. The others technically aren't. Their possession is controlled. :P

This post has been brought to you by the letter P, the number 3, and the Internet Pedants Association for the Betterment of Mankind.

Anyway, on topic. So codeine isn't going prescription only then?

mathepac

Biggins wrote: »

I did. Illegal ones that are listed as class "A" or "B" etc...

What do you mean by ' ... listed as class "A" or "B" ... '

Biggins

Nevore wrote: »

Yeah, but by your criteria, cocaine and heroin wouldn't incur your wrath. They're not illegal per se. Hash, coca leaf, shrooms, oatmeal tainted with ergot poisoning, sure, all illegal. The others technically aren't. Their possession is controlled. :P

:pac: Semantics.

mathepac wrote: »

What do you mean by ' ... listed as class "A" or "B" ... '

Was referring to them in their British terminology as the other Irish version might not have been as clear to all. My mistake in doing so.
I guess I will just have to spell things out a lot more simplistic in baby steps and not just rely on people having enough intelligence to surmise the main point of contention and direction.

Coriolanus

Biggins wrote: »

:pac: Semantics.

You say that like it's a bad thing. :(

Catari Jaguar

F*CK YOU NANNY STATE! F*CK YOU!!!!!!!!!

What about my precious Feminax?! I'm not forking out €55 to see the doctor every month.

Biggins

cherub rock wrote: »

F*CK YOU NANNY STATE! F*CK YOU!!!!!!!!!

What about my precious Feminax?! I'm not forking out €55 to see the doctor every month.

Wots Feminax?

Nevyn

FFS this will effect uniflu as well, it's the only think which gets me through a rotten head cold.

In fairness feminax has so much codeine ect in it it can make you feel loopy.
http://www.feminax.co.uk/range/feminax-capsules.htm
You may no longer feel the cramps and pain but you can't ****ing think at all.

Biggins

Nevore wrote: »

You say that like it's a bad thing. :(

Yes, it gives many an opportunity for others to play wordplay in many a discussion. :pac:

RolandIRL

sure you even see the solpadeine ads warning that you shouldn't take it unless absolutely necessary. i've heard of a few people being addicted to the stuff.
i won't miss neurofen anyway. it makes me a bit loopy and weird (even more so than usual). i've always taken Panadol, and that's done me.

phasers

The Government has pissed off a lot of hormonal women. They'll live to regret this.

Coriolanus

Biggins wrote: »

Yes, it gives many an opportunity for others to play wordplay in many a discussion. :pac:

I'd be of the opinion that the meaning of words matters, but that's just me. :pac:

I don't understand the arguement that "some people can get addicted to it so it must be more tightly controlled".
More people are addicted to gambling, the internet and alchohol yet they're not dispensed on the basis of a stranger deciding that you're not an abuser.

Biggins

phasers wrote: »

The Government has pissed off a lot of hormonal women. They'll live to regret this.

Well for the husbands in the government, they will get it in the neck as soon as they get home! :pac:

Me heart bleeds for them!

Scarydoll

I'll fookin kill someone if they make nurofen prescription only.











Only joking....

RolandIRL

Nevore wrote: »

I don't understand the arguement that "some people can get addicted to it so it must be more tightly controlled".
More people are addicted to gambling, the internet and alchohol yet they're not dispensed on the basis of a stranger deciding that you're not an abuser.

well gambling and the internet won't kill you if you OD. alcohol isn't as strong as these drugs. you might only have to take 5/6 tabs and you could die (i'm only guessing here ). how much alcohol would you have to take to OD on?

just saying.

alwaysadub

Biggins wrote: »

Wots Feminax?

For period pain.

RolandIRL

Biggins wrote: »

Well for the husbands in the government, they will get it in the neck as soon as they get home! :pac:

Me heart bleeds for them!

i can see all the married TDs getting divorced over this :pac:

hollypink

it's not going to require a prescription:

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2010/0610/1224272193225.html

CODEINE-CONTAINING drugs such as Solpadeine and Nurofen Plus will have to be stored out of view in pharmacies under new guidelines which come into effect in August.

Pharmacists will also have to ensure customers know how to use such medicines properly, according to the guidelines published yesterday by the Pharmaceutical Society of Ireland (PSI), which regulates the profession.

Codeine medicines such as painkillers and cough bottles must only be supplied under the personal supervision of a pharmacist, who must advise customers that they only be used when considered necessary and for the shortest time possible, the new rules for the profession state.

Patients should be advised of the importance of sticking to the recommended dose and duration of use, and of risks of developing tolerance and dependence. They will also be warned about the potential dangers of combination products – painkillers containing codeine and another drug such as paracetamol or ibuprofen – and advised about potential side-effects such as drowsiness.

Where patients are misusing codeine, pharmacists will have to help them seek medical help, the guidelines state. All advertising of codeine products, including window displays and leaflets, is prohibited.

Figures from the Health Research Board show the numbers seeking treatment for codeine as a main problem drug increased in the past 10 years from 18 in 1998 to 84 in 2008.

PSI registrar and chief executive Dr Ambrose McLoughlin said it was important that the public sought the professional advice of their pharmacist on the most appropriate medicine for their particular symptoms, as well as advice on how to use those medicines safely.

Pharmacists who fail to adhere to the guidelines could be prosecuted in court and also find themselves before a fitness-to-practise committee hearing.

The Pharmaceutical Society says it will have inspectors and “mystery customers” checking to ensure compliance.

Odysseus

whiteman19 wrote: »

well gambling and the internet won't kill you if you OD. alcohol isn't as strong as these drugs. you might only have to take 5/6 tabs and you could die (i'm only guessing here ). how much alcohol would you have to take to OD on?

just saying.

No dose wise your incorrect, the danger with these has very little to do with the codeine rather the other ingredients, but as a one off I doubt 5 or 6paracetamol with cause an issue, doing it regular will cause liver damage. People can develope hugh tolerances to codeine but not to the other active ingredients.

Biggins

whiteman19 wrote: »

i can see all the married TDs getting divorced over this :pac:

Well their wives will be able to complain a lot more about having headaches at inappropriate times and the hubbies won't have leg to stand on! :pac:

They will be playing solo!

Coriolanus

whiteman19 wrote: »

well gambling and the internet won't kill you if you OD. alcohol isn't as strong as these drugs. you might only have to take 5/6 tabs and you could die (i'm only guessing here ). how much alcohol would you have to take to OD on?

just saying.

You could argue that someone OD'ing on codeine is relatively less harmful to society than someone destroying their family over a period of decades because they're an alchoholic and should thus be less restricted.

Odysseus

Thaedydal wrote: »

FFS this will effect uniflu as well, it's the only think which gets me through a rotten head cold.

In fairness feminax has so much codeine ect in it it can make you feel loopy.
http://www.feminax.co.uk/range/feminax-capsules.htm
You may no longer feel the cramps and pain but you can't ****ing think at all.

That's really not a lot of codeine Thaedydal, 1,000 to 2,000mg a day would be a lot from a drug addiction viewpoint and you would not get that form OTC pain killers.

RolandIRL

well alcohol has been around for a long time and the industry has a lot of sway with governments. not to mention the tax that the government gets from alcohol. restrict alcohol, a sizeable income goes.
it's easier to restrict a "new" (relatively speaking) substance rather than alcohol which has been around for centuries.

i figured i was wrong about the dose, but i'm no chemist :P

steddyeddy

laugh wrote: »

Maybe I've been living under a rock in regard to this.

The chemist mentioned this morning that from the 1st of August you will need a prescription to buy painkillers containing codeine.

I'm thinking it will drive people who wouldn't have previously considered buying medicines online to do so.

Apologies if this has been discussed before.

i will definatly buy it online, laws are one thing but if i disagree with it and it doesnt work for me and doesnt hurt anyone else then thats another

yogy

Fcuk me, people should read more and type less ****e...

1) NO CODEINE CONTAINING PRODUCTS currently available OTC will be made prescription only..

2) The control of codeine containing OTC products will be more strictly controlled and regulated but still available to buy without prescription.

What more can be argued on the matter?

vodafoneproblem

What a pharmacist said to me recently was that you could only get a 3 day supply of codeine-based products from August and THEN you'd need a prescription.

Biggins

vodafoneproblem wrote: »

What a pharmacist said to me recently was that you could only get a 3 day supply of codeine-based products from August and THEN you'd need a prescription.

Yea, thats what a friend of the wife from mumstown.ie said to her.
Maybe they were just using that as an excuse not to provide a person with more in case they had their suspicions though.

I dunno.

steddyeddy

yogy wrote: »

Fcuk me, people should read more and type less ****e...

1) NO CODEINE CONTAINING PRODUCTS currently available OTC will be made prescription only..

2) The control of codeine containing OTC products will be more strictly controlled and regulated but still available to buy without prescription.

What more can be argued on the matter?

ah well if thats the case theres no problem for me anyway

yogy

whiteman19 wrote: »

well alcohol has been around for a long time and the industry has a lot of sway with governments. not to mention the tax that the government gets from alcohol. restrict alcohol, a sizeable income goes.
it's easier to restrict a "new" (relatively speaking) substance rather than alcohol which has been around for centuries.

i figured i was wrong about the dose, but i'm no chemist :P

Based on the amount of employment, tax, revenue etc. and the % the industry accounts for the GDP of our failed state then I would say the Pharma industry is probably more influential now than the drinks industry.

I would think the Government are obliged to accommodated the drug companies now more than ever, i.e. not bring in stupid regulations that might affect their profits!

Can you imagine how fcuked we be if the drug companies started to pull out of here!

Odysseus

whiteman19 wrote: »

well alcohol has been around for a long time and the industry has a lot of sway with governments. not to mention the tax that the government gets from alcohol. restrict alcohol, a sizeable income goes.
it's easier to restrict a "new" (relatively speaking) substance rather than alcohol which has been around for centuries.

i figured i was wrong about the dose, but i'm no chemist :P

Codeine is an opiate, opiates have been around just as long as alcohol.

Biggins

yogy wrote: »

Can you imagine how fcuked we be if the drug companies started to pull out of here!

Well if Viagra pull out I wish I could say I would be screwed - but I wouldn't be! :pac:

RolandIRL

Biggins wrote: »

Well if Viagra pull out I wish I could say I would be screwed - but I wouldn't be! :pac:

why? have you got 3 lifetime's supplies? :pac::P

yogy

vodafoneproblem wrote: »

What a pharmacist said to me recently was that you could only get a 3 day supply of codeine-based products from August and THEN you'd need a prescription.

The max. quantity you can get of Solpadeine at any one time is currently 24 tabs/capsules. i.e. a 3 day supply at the max. dose 0f 8 per day...hence absolutely no change there!

Kurtosis

vodafoneproblem wrote: »

What a pharmacist said to me recently was that you could only get a 3 day supply of codeine-based products from August and THEN you'd need a prescription.

Codeine-containing analgesics are indicated for short-term use, i.e. 3 days. If the problem still persists after three days of taking the medicine then it's recommended to consult a doctor. Perhaps this was what they were trying to say.

All the relevant information is here. in particular the "Guidance" section.

Biggins

Originally Posted by Biggins View Post
Well if Viagra pull out I wish I could say I would be screwed - but I wouldn't be! :pac:

whiteman19 wrote: »

why? have you got 3 lifetime's supplies? :pac::P

LOL Wrong way around.

If I have no Viagra - I no getting screwed (due to unable to rise to the occasion!). :pac:

RolandIRL

i'm a bit slow Biggins

Biggins

whiteman19 wrote: »

i'm a bit slow Biggins

I'm sure there's a pill for that too!

RolandIRL

Biggins wrote: »

I'm sure there's a pill for that too!

:eek: they're making it prescription only though :P

mathepac

Biggins wrote: »

... Was referring to them in their British terminology as the other Irish version might not have been as clear to all. My mistake in doing so.
I guess I will just have to spell things out a lot more simplistic in baby steps and not just rely on people having enough intelligence to surmise the main point of contention and direction.

What utter rubbish and extreme arrogance. You might happen to understand the legal drugs classification(s) in a foreign jurisdiction and you might have the opinion that "the other Irish version might not have been as clear to all" but to extrapolate from this that posters who don't share your knowledge and stupid ill-informed opinion lack intelligence is beyond belief.

It is clear that many posters lack an appreciation of the imminent changes to the rules in relation to the purchase of certain pain-control medicines, (even the thread title is inaccurate and misleading) and that many don't understand the formulation of certain medicines they believe they need from time to time nor may they have a full appreciation for the potential of certain medicines that do not contain codeine to cause harm, but none of them deserve the condescending tone in your patronising post.

Nevore wrote: »

...
Schedule 1 is the section for non-medicinal use "illegal" drugs. ...
Funnily enough hash and other relatively harmless drugs are schedule 1. ...

I think reflects the general lack of knowledge about the harm-potential of drugs classified under Schedule 1

Nevore wrote: »

... Schedule 2 are legal but controlled.
... Cocaine and heroin on the other hand are all schedule 2.

Once upon a time it was possible to have medicinal / pharmaceutical grades of these drugs dispensed; rightly or wrongly heroin and cocaine are still listed under Schedule 2.

Biggins

mathepac wrote: »

What utter rubbish...

Meh!
Moving on... Who'd suspect! :pac:

Biggins

whiteman19 wrote: »

:eek: they're making it prescription only though :P

Shush, they might hear you!
I need all the help I can get!

slimjimmc

Biggins wrote: »

cherub rock wrote: »

F*CK YOU NANNY STATE! F*CK YOU!!!!!!!!!

What about my precious Feminax?! I'm not forking out €55 to see the doctor every month.

Wots Feminax?

http://www.feminax.co.uk/

Might explain cherub's irrational outburst.:p

gizmo

yogy wrote: »

Fcuk me, people should read more and type less ****e...

1) NO CODEINE CONTAINING PRODUCTS currently available OTC will be made prescription only..

2) The control of codeine containing OTC products will be more strictly controlled and regulated but still available to buy without prescription.

What more can be argued on the matter?

Welcome to AH...:)

Coriolanus

mathepac wrote: »

I think reflects the general lack of knowledge about the harm-potential of drugs classified under Schedule 1

Relatively is the key word. I don't think anyone could argue that coca leaf has the same or greater harm-potential than refined cocaine.

My name is URL

slimjimmc wrote: »

http://www.feminax.co.uk/

Might explain cherub's irrational outburst.:p

Those ladies look so happy.. obviously off their faces

January

Odysseus wrote: »

Stronger ones are though and often handed out like smarties, like tylex which cotain 30mg of codeine rather than the 8mg in Solpadeine. My mams GP gives her 180 of them a month, even though she has asked form them to be removed on a few occassions.

Magical stuff that tylex... Was given 60 tablets back in February after I gave birth (wohoo for episiotomies! ) have four left over. Unbelievable period pains this morning, took two, was flat out on the sofa for two hours after... couldn't move...

Chuchoter

Wait wait wait, feminax is gone? Nurofen is gone? Is that both kinds of nurophen, normal and plus? Next month is going to be a bad month :mad:

Fittle

Biggins wrote: »

You might be too late already.
A lot of supermarkets already have taken it off the shelves.

Supermarkets never had solpadine or nurofen on the shelf, so you're wrong there.

And my pharmacist told me today that there's a rumour they are going to be prescription only...but it's just a rumour and not based on fact.

And that was when I was buying my 24 nurofen plus for tomorrows hangover:D

January

crayolastereo wrote: »

Wait wait wait, feminax is gone? Nurofen is gone? Is that both kinds of nurophen, normal and plus? Next month is going to be a bad month :mad:

Not gone! You're just going to have to ask for it in a pharmacy as opposed to picking it up and bringing it to the counter.