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  • 20-07-2010 1:13pm
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    Registered Users Posts: 250 ✭✭


    Hi, I am new to this section of Boards.ie, so, Mods, if my post is in the wrong place, please move it

    We are looking at getting a family pet ( a dog)

    We have looked at a few adds on websites. A few of them mention UKC Registered. ( United Kennel Club)
    Is there an Irish site that I can check out if they are registered.

    We have answerred a couple of adds and found that the pups were not where they said there were in the adds. They were suggesting that the pups would be delivered by their agent ??

    One was advertised to be in Portlaoise and turned out to be located in Derry.

    Any help would be appreciated.

    Aidan


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  • Registered Users Posts: 849 ✭✭✭adser53


    whoah careful aidan, sounds like you found a lot of scams very quickly! What site were you looking at? Also, I've never heard of thed UKC, sounds dodgy again and NEVER get a dog that will be delivered or if the breeder says they'll meet you somewhere. The delivery ones are almost always scams and breeders wanting to meet you somewhere generally means theyre a puppy farmer and don't want you seeing their house. Have you a breed in mind? If you post up what exactly youre looking for people can offer more help


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,413 ✭✭✭Toulouse


    Some good guidelines here http://www.veterinary.ie/go/pet_care_notes/dogs/notes-on-dogs

    And if you'd like to save a life instead http://www.irishanimals.ie/homes.html


  • Registered Users Posts: 849 ✭✭✭adser53


    Here's another great bit of info about what you need to know before you buy your dog. Taken from http://www.irishdogs.ie/forum/getting-a-pet-what-you-need-to-know-first_topic9539.html

    I thought I'd post it up here to share the knowledge ;)
    Socket wrote:
    What to look for when choosing a puppy.

    Choose the breed wisely. You have to take into consideration your lifestyle and where you live. Great Danes don't do very well in one-bedroom 6th floor flats! Nor does any breed when their owner is out at work all day. Dogs don't need space, they need time. Your puppy needs to be taught how to live with the humans in their life. He will grow into an adult dog and may be with you for up to 17yrs, so you need to make sure your dog is the one for you!

    MAKE SURE YOU SEE THE PARENTS IF YOU ARE BUYING A PUPPY!

    It is so important that you see both the parents and where the puppies are living, and the breeders set up. This will give you an idea of the adult dog you are inviting to live with you and your family. Be aware of the breeder that meets you half way if you have to travel a distance to choose your puppy, no matter how nice they sound. Are they trying to hide something? This is especially important if you are to trust your dog with children.

    Things to look for

    * Make sure the puppies are all clean and happy, a home environment is best, as the puppies will be used to all the noise and smells that may also be in your own home.

    * Is the breeder selling lots of puppies and breeds? Do they have the parent dogs on site? If so this may be the sign of a puppy farm if so WALK AWAY. Puppy farms are illegal in the UK and for good reason. Breeders churn out litter after litter from their brood bitches without a thought about the dogs, puppies, environment, health and behaviour. These puppies and their Mothers are usually kept in barns or sheds without social human contact so they are usually fearful and shy around people. Some puppies remain nervous all their life and many become aggressive and will bite. DON'T FEEL SORRY FOR THE PUPPY AND TAKE IT HOME you are putting your children at risk. This is also how these places can exist. The people who sell puppies this way rely on your emotions and they survive to supply pet shops and other retail outlets.

    * Think about how you will treat your new puppy and does the breeder treat them as you would? Take your puppy home between 8 to 9 weeks old. Dogs are open to learning about their surroundings and positive exposure to their environment at this age. After 12 weeks your puppy is less open to learning about the environment.

    * Make sure you have a vaccination certificate signed by a Vet. This shows that your puppy has been Vet checked and has been passed healthy enough to be vaccinated. The letters MRCVS and/or MVB and also the practice stamp should follow the Vets signature.

    * Take your puppy to your Vet as soon as you can after taking the puppy home for health check.

    * Make sure that you ask the breeder lots of questions about your puppy such as;

    * What is he fed? How often and how much? How often should the puppy be professionally groomed etc? is he housetrained? Wormed? Been Vet checked? Socialised with people?

    * It would be a good idea to ask for the phone number of someone who has already bought a puppy then you can talk to them to find out how their puppy is.

    * Talk to your Vet practice. These are the people who deal with breeders and they should be able to give you good advice as to what to look for in your chosen breed in your area

    * Check with the Irish Kennel club for a list of pure breeds, but be aware that the Kennel Club DO NOT visit breeders to check on the standard of care and socialisation of the dogs and puppies.

    Check all paperwork and if in doubt do not sign anything.

    Be aware of a breeder that won't let you neuter or spay your dog and that wants the first litter.
    Puppy farmers are in the business to make money, as much money as possible; they rarely spend it on Vets fees, flea and worming treatment and think very little of any physical or genetic problems they will be passing onto the puppies. Make sure you see the parents and if not find out exactly why you cannot.

    If there is a problem with your puppy any good breeder will be prepared to help.

    A puppy bought from a good breeder will come from a friendly, caring, healthy background and make a much better pet.

    Take along a qualified professional dog trainer or behaviourist if you have any reservations.

    Puppy farmed puppies have mental health and behavioural issues, as well as physical health problems. You should be prepared for heartbreak and large Vets bills.

    All of these basic rules apply to any species kittens, rabbits, reptiles and birds. Pet shops may be supplied with animals from rabbit and guinea pig farms and may have health problems that you will end up paying for. It is better to get a pet from a welfare group or private owner.

    You are inviting a different species into your home to live with your family. Think carefully about the behaviour and size of the breed you have chosen ESPECIALLY if there are children around.

    When you do find your pet there is nothing like the unconditional companionship a pet gives. It is well documented in medical papers that stroking a well-socialised friendly pet lowers blood pressure and reduces stress. Walking your dog keeps you fit, and attending training classes is a great way to meet like-minded people. A good pet can also teach children life lessons. Pets teach them to cope with the responsibilities of care, bereavement and of course love. Many children benefit from having a pet to care for.

    Should you need any advice on buying a pet contact us or many of the
    welfare groups around the country. They all have pets needing loving
    homes and will be supportive as long as you have your rescued pet.
    Rescuing a pet instead of buying one bred to be sold can be much more
    rewarding for both you and your rescue.

    A pet is a friend for life!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,057 ✭✭✭MissFlitworth


    Really does sound like you're after coming across a heap of scams there!

    UKC & AKC are in the states, if you see them mentioned in ads they are scams. It's just that the person who has put up the scam ad is using them all over the world and doesn't always realise some details have to be changed to make them look legit (thank God for that, if they were in any way clever about it they'd be a lot harder to spot!)

    Anyone mentioning shipping/puppy couriers/shipping agents is a scammer (there may be some people in Ireland who will deliver to your door but they won't be asking for a payment via Western Union first)

    Anyone asking for a payment via Western Union (or any Money Transfer type company) is a scammer.

    Anyone selling a puppy that would normally be very very expensive for very little money is to be kept a very close eye on. Sometimes there's a genuine reason for it but often it can be a sign of a scam

    It also helps to watch out for americanisms in ads ('potty trained' 'super cute' etc), again because scam ads are often not updated to fit in with the english used in the country they're being place in


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,949 ✭✭✭Cherry Blossom


    Hi, I am new to this section of Boards.ie, so, Mods, if my post is in the wrong place, please move it

    We are looking at getting a family pet ( a dog)

    We have looked at a few adds on websites. A few of them mention UKC Registered. ( United Kennel Club)
    Is there an Irish site that I can check out if they are registered.

    We have answerred a couple of adds and found that the pups were not where they said there were in the adds. They were suggesting that the pups would be delivered by their agent ??

    One was advertised to be in Portlaoise and turned out to be located in Derry.

    Any help would be appreciated.

    Aidan

    Hi Aidan,

    Many good breeders registered with the Irish Kennel Club don't advertise their pups for sale. If you are looking for a puppy and have a specific breed in mind contacy the IKC directly, they will have contact details for breeders who currently have pups or have litters due. If you want an older purebred dog there are breed specific rescues out there or again try the IKC. If it's a crossbreed you want, then there are rescue centres and shelters all over the country bursting with them. 17,000 dogs are put to sleep every year as they don't have a home to call their own, there is absolutely no need to get one from a 'dodgy' source ;)

    <Edit> http://ikc.ie/index.php?option=com_contact&catid=12&Itemid=63


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  • Registered Users Posts: 250 ✭✭aidan.connolly


    Hi

    Thanks for all you replies. My wifre has done a lot of research into this.

    We are currently also looking at rehoming centres ( eg Dogs Trust in Finglasetc )

    The whole process has been a real eye opener for us. As I type this, another Email has come in , which I will share with you, if for no other reason but to share it with other people who may be also looking for a family pet.

    extract from email.....
    "
    Hello

    We are very happy to read from you so soon and also we are very sorry for the late reply, we are sure you are going to love and spoil her with love and cuddle attention and provide her with all her needs. We need them to go into a lovely and caring and a forever home. Firstly let me tell you about them .they are called jenny romeo.they are veterinary checked and vaccinated and have all health records till date and all papers. So we are giving them to go into a good home and for ever home they are very sensitive and possesses the following qualities:
    they are house Trained and Potty.
    they don't bark a lot.
    they eat 2 times daily.
    they are socialized with kids and other house hold pets
    they love to be carried a lot and be spoiled with love.
    they love to be kissed.
    they get angry when you shout at them , so please do not do that ok.
    they are 11 Weeks 3days old
    they bark when they see strangers.
    they will come with all details of vaccination, DE-wormed and microchip. Since we have made up our mine to let the puppies into your home Can you promise us that jenny and romeo will be well look after and you guys will keep us updated with monthly pictures so we can know how jenny and romeo are doing over there with you . we just relocated to the isles of man due to the dead of our mum couple of weeks ago she was the owner of these cute babies since she is now of late we cannot keep them in such conditions that is why we are giving them to a lovely and caring homes our address is Mount Havelock, Douglas, Isle of Man IM1 2QF if yopu people can come view them then good and fine but if you guys cannot come we shall use the Pet Delivery Carrier and they will get jenny and romeo
    delivered at your home address that you will provide to us . Also we
    shall require all your details to do the change of ownership papers
    and the details is as
    Full names.............................
    House address..............................
    City/State............................................
    postcode....................................................
    Land line number.............................................
    Mobile number......................................................
    E-mail address..........................................................
    Nationality......................................................................
    Occupation.........................................................................
    As soon as we have the details, we shall prepare the change of ownership papers before we do the delivery registration with the Courier. Do get back to us with the details so we can prepare the change of ownership papers and do the delivery registration with the Courier. Thanks and we shall be waiting to read from you soon. You will have to pay just 120euros and that is directly to the Courier Company. And also send all the relevant papers work via the Courier service. So i will be waiting to read from you soon with all the details so that i can take the puppy tomorrow to the delivery agency and get her registered for the delivery okay

    what i want you to assure me is that you should promise you will be at home all through tomorrow for the delivery of this puppy to your home.
    thanks waiting to hear from yopu soon"
    ________________________________________


    How this make my skin crawl.


    Regards

    Aidan


  • Registered Users Posts: 849 ✭✭✭adser53


    They must have a "standard form" that they sound out for these scams. Every one I've ever seen has been at least 99% identical to this one! :mad::mad: Sadly some people obviously fall for them.


  • Registered Users Posts: 294 ✭✭cjf


    http://www.dogsindistressforum.org/viewforum.php?f=7&sid=4f72c6e478df814788074b23b55c0702

    Got my dog from them last year! Really great all dogs live with foster families in thier homes so gives good idea of how the dog is living in a family environment! All ages, shapes, sizes and breeds!


  • Registered Users Posts: 250 ✭✭aidan.connolly


    Hi

    Thanks for all the advice and suggestions.

    We are looking for a Bichon Frise pup.

    My daugther suffers from mild Asthma so we have been advised to get this type of dog.

    Along with that we understand that the are an excellent pet.

    Regards

    Aidan


  • Registered Users Posts: 250 ✭✭aidan.connolly


    Hi, we contacted the Irish Kenel Club, and asked about registered breeders for Bichon Frise. Below is the response we got.

    From: "gaye" <ikenclub@indigo.ie>

    Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2010 11:27 AM
    Subject: RE: The Irish Kennel Club: Breeders


    > We only have a breed club for the Bichon Frise Club of Ireland, Mrs L
    > Watton
    > NI 0044-7831444330
    > Try the English Kennel Club 0044-8444633980 for Havanese.
    >

    Does anyone know any breeders for this type of dogs in Dublin ?

    Regards

    Aidan


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  • Registered Users Posts: 8,000 ✭✭✭andreac


    Hi, we contacted the Irish Kenel Club, and asked about registered breeders for Bichon Frise. Below is the response we got.

    From: "gaye" <ikenclub@indigo.ie>

    Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2010 11:27 AM
    Subject: RE: The Irish Kennel Club: Breeders


    > We only have a breed club for the Bichon Frise Club of Ireland, Mrs L
    > Watton
    > NI 0044-7831444330
    > Try the English Kennel Club 0044-8444633980 for Havanese.
    >

    Does anyone know any breeders for this type of dogs in Dublin ?

    Regards

    Aidan

    What exactly did you ask them? Just for Bichon breeders was it? Dont know why they gave you Havanese if you didnt ask for those:confused:

    Heres the full information for the Bichon Club of Ireland.

    Bichon Frise Club of Ireland

    Mrs. L. Watton
    66A Ballybogey Road, Ballymoney, Northern Ireland BT53 6NY
    (048-79644069)


    Try these people too, i highly recommend them for Bichons, she has amazing dogs.
    http://www.ashmairbichonfrise.com/


  • Registered Users Posts: 250 ✭✭aidan.connolly


    Hi andreac,

    We asked for a list of breeders of Bichon Frise and also for a list of breeders of Havanese.

    Unfortunately we were quoted between 800.00 to 1000.00 for a Havanese, so we are focusing on a Bichon Frise.

    I was hoping to find a breeder in Dublin or the surrounding counties.

    I will look at the link you sent me

    Regards

    Aidan


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