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Fred Cryton

They'll fit in very well down in our dynamic Silicon Docks won't they...bunch of middle aged self entitled unionised won't lift a finger semi-state lifers.

Fred Cryton

Fred Cryton wrote: »

They'll fit in very well down in our dynamic Silicon Docks won't they...bunch of middle aged self entitled unionised won't lift a finger semi-state lifers.

My postman is very reliable. Lot more than fastway and the other private wasters.

Again, largest unions in the country represent private sector employees.

beauf

People weren't complaining about the postal service handling all their covid parcels and mail. Is it really relevant to this thread anyway.

tabbey

roycon111 wrote: »

An post also made a ****eload of money from selling its Macken Street site to Marlet
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Macken Street?
Didn't know they had premises in Macken Street. Do you mean Cardiff Lane?

tabbey

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

I doubt many companies would want to be in the GPO tbh.

People working in the GPO have the best commuting options with buses and trams outside the door and trains close by.
It is not many years since unions would have demanded and received substantial compensation for moving to the point.

L1011

Virgin Media have at least begun moving in to Mayor Street (from East Wall) now.

kenmm

tabbey wrote: »

Didn't know they had premises in Macken Street. Do you mean Cardiff Lane?

Even for boards, that's some level of pedantry. Obviously they meant the sorting office, and you are correct it was on Cardiff lane (*just* where it joins Macken street!)

roycon111

kenmm wrote: »

Even for boards, that's some level of pedantry. Obviously they meant the sorting office, and you are correct it was on Cardiff lane (*just* where it joins Macken street!)

hahaha yes i meant Cardiff Lane!

AMKC

Niner leprauchan wrote: »

My postman is very reliable. Lot more than fastway and the other private wasters.

Again, largest unions in the country represent private sector employees.

Actually I always find DPD very reliable. Fastway are a joke alright. The post around here can be hit and miss.

geecee

L1011 wrote: »

Virgin Media have at least begun moving in to Mayor Street (from East Wall) now.

are they in one of the Dublin Landings units?

L1011

geecee wrote: »

are they in one of the Dublin Landings units?

No, Macken House, one of the older buildings.

Man with broke phone

Does anybody know what the plans are for the area over by the port tunnel on the opposite side of the gibson/multistory car park to the point. Its a huge space with a little builders suppliers and a few builders canteens on one part of it. An unused tram tracks seem to run through it, the wall around it looks like it could collapse at any moment.
Its such a depressing little spot once you get around there.

beauf

That seems to have rail maintenance equipment in it. Cranes and diggers on tracks etc. Do trains not pass through this to the docks.

L1011

Its an active freight yard. Its going nowhere. The lines are not unused.

kenmm

Man with broke phone wrote: »

. An unused tram tracks seem to run through it, the wall around it looks like it could collapse at any moment.
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Ye, definitely not unused, not at night time anyway.. they seem to do most of the work between 11pm and 6am..

Would never live in that area again tbh. Not until all the building work calms down, which will be many years from now.

ongarboy

tabbey wrote: »

People working in the GPO have the best commuting options with buses and trams outside the door and trains close by.
It is not many years since unions would have demanded and received substantial compensation for moving to the point.

Bord Gais workers got compensation a few years for having to move 500 meters away...even though it meant some employees had shorter commutes because of the move...unions, eh?

subpar

From Todays Irish Times , latest news on the old Hales Freight / Tile Style Site.

https://www.google.ie/url?sa=i&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.nova.ie%2F44-storey-tower-could-be-on-the-cards-for-dublin-132661%2F&psig=AOvVaw2-nldltVAtUxwgzTS_hfbw&ust=1599121530112000&source=images&cd=vfe&ved=0CAIQjRxqFwoTCLjdrZSGyusCFQAAAAAdAAAAABAD


Johnny Ronan aims for Dublin’s tallest tower in city’s docklands

Waterfront site works underway in advance of decision on 44-storey apartment block.


Developer Johnny Ronan’s Ronan Group Real Estate (RGRE) has commenced construction on one of its most ambitious schemes to date in Dublin’s docklands.

Located on 4.6 acres next to the 3 Arena, the Waterfront South Central scheme will, upon completion, comprise hundreds of apartments set within what RGRE describes as a “high-rise, garden village at the heart of Dublin’s new riverfront district”.

Although Ronan already has planning permission for 420 apartments and 300,216sq ft (27,891sq m) of offices on the site, he is now aiming to increase that number to 1,000 residential units distributed across two towers rising in height to 40 and 44 storeys respectively.

At 155m, the taller of these blocks would be Dublin’s tallest building, and more than three times the height of Liberty Hall (59.4m), and nearly twice the height of the 88m (23-storey) tower on Tara Street for which the developer secured planning permission last year.

Celltale_CMcN

I wonder how many floors he'll get approval for. Personally I think 44 is a bit too high. Somewhere around 30 would be good compromise.

subpar wrote: »

From Todays Irish Times , latest news on the old Hales Freight / Tile Style Site.




Johnny Ronan aims for Dublin’s tallest tower in city’s docklands

Waterfront site works underway in advance of decision on 44-storey apartment block.


Developer Johnny Ronan’s Ronan Group Real Estate (RGRE) has commenced construction on one of its most ambitious schemes to date in Dublin’s docklands.

Located on 4.6 acres next to the 3 Arena, the Waterfront South Central scheme will, upon completion, comprise hundreds of apartments set within what RGRE describes as a “high-rise, garden village at the heart of Dublin’s new riverfront district”.

Although Ronan already has planning permission for 420 apartments and 300,216sq ft (27,891sq m) of offices on the site, he is now aiming to increase that number to 1,000 residential units distributed across two towers rising in height to 40 and 44 storeys respectively.

At 155m, the taller of these blocks would be Dublin’s tallest building, and more than three times the height of Liberty Hall (59.4m), and nearly twice the height of the 88m (23-storey) tower on Tara Street for which the developer secured planning permission last year.

Man with broke phone

Why is 44 too high but 30 is fine?

Do you even know what height his floors will be?

It needs to see over the Exxo

Celltale_CMcN

Because two buildings (40 floors and 44floors) will be more than twice the height of the Exo and will dwarf everything around them.. It will dominate all of dublin skyline and stuck out like a sore thumb.

Man with broke phone wrote: »

Why is 44 too high but 30 is fine?

Do you even know what height his floors will be?

It needs to see over the Exxo

Man with broke phone

Celltale_CMcN wrote: »

Because two buildings (40 floors and 44floors) will be more than twice the height of the Exo and will dwarf everything around them.. It will dominate all of dublin skyline and stuck out like a sore thumb.

All the way up the quays will be that size over the next 20 years, the exxo is just the beginning and will probably be added to or completely rebuilt eventually.

subpar

Celltale_CMcN wrote: »

Because two buildings (40 floors and 44floors) will be more than twice the height of the Exo and will dwarf everything around them.. It will dominate all of dublin skyline and stuck out like a sore thumb.

Ronan is right to be ambitious in terms of having a vision to change the skyline and the building footprint particularly in this part of the Docklands'

Yes its a change , but its a bit like when you sow the seed for a new lawn. The first seed germinates and a new blade of grass rises from the ground before all the other seeds , but soon all the seeds germinate and grow and blend into a new surface at the same approximate height.

kenmm

Be nice if the buildings were a bit less ugly tho..

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder etc, but most people I know think capital dock is pretty bland (for example).

The EXO building looks really ugly in my opinion. Hopefully some more interesting designs to come.

mikekerry

https://m.independent.ie/business/technology/google-pulls-out-of-talks-to-lease-2000-office-spaces-in-dublin-39512236.html

L1011

^^ South docklands, although it shows that demand is going to be going down across the board.

subpar

mikekerry wrote: »

https://m.independent.ie/business/technology/google-pulls-out-of-talks-to-lease-2000-office-spaces-in-dublin-39512236.html

Not good news.

However the situation in the years 2008 to 2012 was much worse and business recovered. Working from home in any large scale format is not sustainable in an ongoing basis. There is too much money invested within the business districts of cities worldwide which means the owners and investors in city centre properties will not allow business districts to be underused and under occupied once Covid 19 has receeded. Also no employer is going to want to loose the overshight and control of his / her workers which will eventually happen with permanent working at home.

For the employee continued working at home poses far more negatives than positives. The most important issue in my mind in the sanctuary of the home is broken and penetrated by the day job. Returning home from the office after a days work, once you turn the latch key to your frontr door and enter your home the link between work and home was broken. This is a very important aspect of having a healthy work / life balance.

mikekerry

Fair points but not having to commute is a massive
Plus for employees. A mix of working from and and working in the office is the way to go.

beauf

subpar wrote: »

Not good news.

However the situation in the years 2008 to 2012 was much worse and business recovered. Working from home in any large scale format is not sustainable in an ongoing basis. There is too much money invested within the business districts of cities worldwide which means the owners and investors in city centre properties will not allow business districts to be underused and under occupied once Covid 19 has receeded. Also no employer is going to want to loose the overshight and control of his / her workers which will eventually happen with permanent working at home.

For the employee continued working at home poses far more negatives than positives. The most important issue in my mind in the sanctuary of the home is broken and penetrated by the day job. Returning home from the office after a days work, once you turn the latch key to your frontr door and enter your home the link between work and home was broken. This is a very important aspect of having a healthy work / life balance.

Two fallacies there...

Just because there's lots of money invested in something doesn't mean it won't fail.

WFH for some works better and for some it doesn't. A sweeping generalisation for everyone makes no sense. There's is another giant thread on WFH.

The area around the point had been a ghost town for years until recently. I suspect it's passed a critical point with enough people living in it now, not to undo all of that.

blue_blue

subpar wrote: »

Not good news.

However the situation in the years 2008 to 2012 was much worse and business recovered. Working from home in any large scale format is not sustainable in an ongoing basis. There is too much money invested within the business districts of cities worldwide which means the owners and investors in city centre properties will not allow business districts to be underused and under occupied once Covid 19 has receeded. Also no employer is going to want to loose the overshight and control of his / her workers which will eventually happen with permanent working at home.

For the employee continued working at home poses far more negatives than positives. The most important issue in my mind in the sanctuary of the home is broken and penetrated by the day job. Returning home from the office after a days work, once you turn the latch key to your frontr door and enter your home the link between work and home was broken. This is a very important aspect of having a healthy work / life balance.

Completely agree.

I have to raise my eyes every time I see someone post something along the lines of 'our big tech company says we can work at home until I reach retirement age'. The new utopia of home working that people think is going to happen.....isn't. It might make employers entertain one day of the week been a WFH day, but anything other than that is going to be under specialist circumstances (and probably a lower salarly.)

Once a vaccine is back, employers will be whisking staff to offices faster than a hot snot. Especially the big multinationals, they'll be clamboring to acquire vaccines before general wide-availability to bring their workers back. Mark my words.

This is a pandemic, its effects are going to be short lasted economically when we've suppressed the virus. It is not going to undo 100 years of social and economic progress. If you think it is, you're deluded.

kenmm

blue_blue wrote: »

Completely agree.

I have to raise my eyes every time I see someone post something along the lines of 'our big tech company says we can work at home until I reach retirement age'. The new utopia of home working that people think is going to happen.....isn't. It might make employers entertain one day of the week been a WFH day, but anything other than that is going to be under specialist circumstances (and probably a lower salarly.)

Once a vaccine is back, employers will be whisking staff to offices faster than a hot snot. Especially the big multinationals, they'll be clamboring to acquire vaccines before general wide-availability to bring their workers back. Mark my words.

This is a pandemic, its effects are going to be short lasted economically when we've suppressed the virus. It is not going to undo 100 years of social and economic progress. If you think it is, you're deluded.

It's off topic for this thread, but it very much depends on the industry and sector.

Some industries are struggling to find decent people. wfh was already increasing before the pandemic and can be offered as a perk. Full time for all staff, always, probably not, but there will be a lot more of it vaccine or not.