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beauf

blue_blue wrote: »

Completely agree.

I have to raise my eyes every time I see someone post something along the lines of 'our big tech company says we can work at home until I reach retirement age'. The new utopia of home working that people think is going to happen.....isn't. It might make employers entertain one day of the week been a WFH day, but anything other than that is going to be under specialist circumstances (and probably a lower salarly.)

Once a vaccine is back, employers will be whisking staff to offices faster than a hot snot. Especially the big multinationals, they'll be clamboring to acquire vaccines before general wide-availability to bring their workers back. Mark my words.

This is a pandemic, its effects are going to be short lasted economically when we've suppressed the virus. It is not going to undo 100 years of social and economic progress. If you think it is, you're deluded.

What about the people who've already worked from home for years, before Covid. Are they deluded.

cgcsb

I do think more people will be doing 2/3 days in office and 2/3 days at home, especially those who have to commute from the midlands due to house prices / bad planning.

Man with broke phone

People will be working 3 jobs at once from home soon enough.

There will be profit in it at the start then once everybody starts doing it wages will drop so that to earn a decent wage you need to work 3 jobs from home.

ongarboy

blue_blue wrote: »

Completely agree.

I have to raise my eyes every time I see someone post something along the lines of 'our big tech company says we can work at home until I reach retirement age'. The new utopia of home working that people think is going to happen.....isn't. It might make employers entertain one day of the week been a WFH day, but anything other than that is going to be under specialist circumstances (and probably a lower salarly.)

Once a vaccine is back, employers will be whisking staff to offices faster than a hot snot. Especially the big multinationals, they'll be clamboring to acquire vaccines before general wide-availability to bring their workers back. Mark my words.

This is a pandemic, its effects are going to be short lasted economically when we've suppressed the virus. It is not going to undo 100 years of social and economic progress. If you think it is, you're deluded.

Not necessarily. I work in the IFSC and many companies allowed whole departments to work at least two days a week from home for years before the pandemic. It was mainly non operations teams though although COVID has shown that all teams can seamlessly WFH with just minor inconveniences. Most IFSC/funds companies are multi national so teams were often split and scattered among multiple countries so Zoom and Webex calls and meetings were the norm anyway whether you dialled in from home or your work desk. I'd imagine tech companies were even more advanced with that type of working arrangement.

I can see a combination of WFH and office based work become the new norm thus shrinking companies office requirements. Half the desks in our open plan were empty on any given day as one half of the floor would be WFH. Hot desking where you just pick random available desks and hook up your laptop on the day you're in the office will be the new way. It means less overall desks and square footage required.

subpar

ongarboy wrote: »

Not necessarily. I work in the IFSC and many companies allowed whole departments to work at least two days a week from home for years before the pandemic. It was mainly non operations teams though although COVID has shown that all teams can seamlessly WFH with just minor inconveniences. Most IFSC/funds companies are multi national so teams were often split and scattered among multiple countries so Zoom and Webex calls and meetings were the norm anyway whether you dialled in from home or your work desk. I'd imagine tech companies were even more advanced with that type of working arrangement.

I can see a combination of WFH and office based work become the new norm thus shrinking companies office requirements. Half the desks in our open plan were empty on any given day as one half of the floor would be WFH. Hot desking where you just pick random available desks and hook up your laptop on the day you're in the office will be the new way. It means less overall desks and square footage required.

This discussion brings to mind the story of the farmer bringing his herd of cows from the field and up the road to his farmyard for milking. Half way up the road he looks back and notices one of the cows has fallen behind the rest and has its head stuck in the roadside ditch. So he goes back to the cow gives it a couple of clips across the rear end with his walking stick and hey presto the cow comes out of the ditch and rejoins the rest of the herd. When the farmer gets to the farmyard gate he turns around again and guess what the cow has its head stuck in the ditch again.
[B]The moral of the story is that you cant take you eye off certain individuals and that at large part of managment involves being able to see those you have to manage.[/B]

Thelonious Monk

subpar wrote: »

[B]The moral of the story is that you cant take you eye off certain individuals and that at large part of managment involves being able to see those you have to manage.[/B]

You mustn't have worked in an office environment since the 1980s because there really is no need for physical presence in most office jobs these days

beauf

Depends some still have physical requirements. Printing etc .

subpar

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

You mustn't have worked in an office environment since the 1980s because there really is no need for physical presence in most office jobs these days

It not just as simple as whether the work can be done at home or not , there are far more issues to take into account, not least the human behaviour element.

beauf

subpar wrote: »

It not just as simple as whether the work can be done at home or not , there are far more issues to take into account, not least the human behaviour element.

If the work gets done. What human behaviour?

Fighting Tao

I have noticed that those who were bums and avoided work while in the office are still the same when working from home.

Hubertj

Fighting Tao wrote: »

I have noticed that those who were bums and avoided work while in the office are still the same when working from home.

Very true

beauf

How do you know...

subpar

Microsoft sign rental agreement for Dublin Landings

extract from Irish Times 14/09/20

Microsoft has signed a deal to rent three floors of a new office block in the Dublin docklands. The deal for the space at No 3 Dublin Landings, which will accommodate up to 400 workers, is owned by investment company Iput. The deal brings good news for the city’s commercial property sector after Google pulled out of plans to rent office space for 2,000 workers at the Sorting Office development also in the docklands earlier this week, the Sunday Times reports.

beauf

That will be handy. Going out to Sandyford is a right pain if you crossing the city or M50.

AndrewJRenko

beauf wrote: »

That will be handy. Going out to Sandyford is a right pain if you crossing the city or M50.

Green Luas gets you there in double-quick time with no traffic jams.

brownbeard

Council set to abandon €20m Liffey bridge plans - Irish Times (Paywall alert)

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/environment/council-set-to-abandon-20m-liffey-bridge-plans-1.4367774

Gob****es.

loyatemu

brownbeard wrote: »

Council set to abandon €20m Liffey bridge plans - Irish Times (Paywall alert)

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/environment/council-set-to-abandon-20m-liffey-bridge-plans-1.4367774

Gob****es.

weird decision from ABP, their reason for refusal is that the original location is better, but the original location is no longer feasible.

AMKC

Plans for a €20 million bridge across the river Liffey are to be shelved indefinitely following An Bord Pleanála’s refusal to allow Dublin City Council to change its location.

This is the second time the planning board has refused the council permission to move the planned location of the bridge, the first dedicated cycling and pedestrian facility over the river, by 150m.

The council has had permission to build a new bridge over the Liffey, east of the Samuel Beckett bridge, since 2014. The bridge was to run from the old London and North Western Railway Company station on the northside to Forbes Street south of the river.

The Victorian train station had been the planned location of a proposed Dart Underground station for the north docks, but the Dart plan was shelved in 2011.

However in 2016 the National Transport Authority (NTA) asked council to defer building the bridge to allow the authority to review the underground plans.

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While plans for the underground line have not been reinstated, it was determined, on the advice of the NTA, the council should relocate the planned bridge.

In 2018, the council applied to An Bord Pleanála to move the bridge 150m eastwards. The new location would connect New Wapping Street at the Central Bank building on the north side, with Blood Stoney Road on the south bank.

The council told the board the new location would allow the bridge to be delivered in a shorter timeframe “as there would be no need to wait for the outcome of the Dart Underground review, noting that the timeframe for the review is unknown”. Building a bridge over the planned rail tunnel would be “prohibitively expensive”, it said.

However in January of last year, the board refused the move, saying it preferred the original location because it offered “the potential of a direct connection from south of the river to a future Dart Underground commuter rail station”.


Judicial review sought
The council sought a judicial review of the board’s decision, claiming the board acted without jurisdiction and failed to give adequate reasons for its decision. However, it subsequently decided to instead submit a new application to the board, to amend the planning scheme governing the docklands to allow the bridge move.

The council made its application in August of last year. The board has this month issued its decision and ruled the original location of the bridge should stand.

In its ruling it reiterated its 2019 position that the original location would offer a direct connection to a future station, and also again said “notwithstanding the technical and cost arguments” it would better serve the interests and amenities of the area in the long term.

It is understood the council will not build the bridge at the original location, due to the high cost – likely to be more than double the current estimate – and the interference with the potential future Dart line.


The Dart line will not happen any time soon so neither will that bridge.

manofachill

the issue is they do not know yet what the situation is with the line and station. It would be ridiculous if they had to remove it after having just built it for €20m. At least this should now free up funding to build a bridge from Britain Quay to Ringsend, that was always my favoured location for a new Bridge and would integrate the docklands better with Ringsend and the North Docks. It would also make the three arena easier to get to for a lot of people

AngryLips

The Liffey Ferry lives to shuttle people across the river another day

Fighting Tao

manofachill wrote: »

the issue is they do not know yet what the situation is with the line and station. It would be ridiculous if they had to remove it after having just built it for €20m. At least this should now free up funding to build a bridge from Britain Quay to Ringsend, that was always my favoured location for a new Bridge and would integrate the docklands better with Ringsend and the North Docks. It would also make the three arena easier to get to for a lot of people

A bridge from Britain Quay to Ringsend only makes the 3Arena easier to access for those living within Grand Canal Dock.

A new pedestrian and cycling bridge across the Liffey makes crossing the Liffey much safer for many more. At the moment there are issues with Sean O’Casey bridge due to how stupidly narrow it is for pedestrians and cyclists on one side. One of the road lanes should be removed. Then the East Link is not suitable or safe for the amount of cyclists and pedestrians that use it. It could be improved a little by removing the footpath that is more or less unused on the east side and widening the footpath on the west side, but it would still not meet the requirements of the people who use it.

Celltale_CMcN

Totally agree that the footpath on the toll bridge is completely inadequate. When things get back to normal and all these new office blocks are open (like the Exo) can you imagine what its going to be like crossing that bridge with the 5axel trucks wizzing by. The infrastructure should be going in before all these buildings are to be finished. A new pedestrian bridge adjacent to the toll bridge has approval IMO it should be the first one to get built due to the dangers of using the current footpath.
In the original plan there was also to be a bridge across from castleforbes road. Would be good to get that one in also before Johnny Ronans project waterfront is finished. Can you imagine what its going to like then trying to cross the river.

beauf

Planning infrastructure before the demand for it explodes. That kinda common sense is sadly lacking.

subpar

Reverse Engineering applies here. The city couincil dont want to spend the money on a new bridge so they look for a spurious reason not to proceed and delay the whole process.

Fred Cryton

DCC would prefer spend 20m on a rafting facility in the middle of a business district. That must go down as the dumbest, most Irish thing ever.

DCC only care about the people who vote them in - the welfare classes of the inner city. This bridge benefits office workers so they don't care.

beauf

Fred Cryton wrote: »

DCC would prefer spend 20m on a rafting facility in the middle of a business district. That must go down as the dumbest, most Irish thing ever.

DCC only care about the people who vote them in - the welfare classes of the inner city. This bridge benefits office workers so they don't care.

The rafting thing was really out there.

L1011

Fred Cryton wrote: »

DCC only care about the people who vote them in - the welfare classes of the inner city. This bridge benefits office workers so they don't care.

DCC is currently controlled by FF-GP-SD-Lab; none of which get votes from that cohort to any great extent.

What you appear to be missing is that a lot of the actions of the permanent executive of the council cannot be influenced by the elected members.

Fred Cryton

L1011 wrote: »

DCC is currently controlled by FF-GP-SD-Lab; none of which get votes from that cohort to any great extent.

What you appear to be missing is that a lot of the actions of the permanent executive of the council cannot be influenced by the elected members.

That's like saying TD's aren't responsible for the actions of the permanent civil service. The buck has to stop somewhere. Ultimately policy will reflect the views of the elected council over time. And the councillors were and are heavily tilted towards SF. Also, "independents" running in Dublin city centre are almost all marxist PBP types.

L1011

Fred Cryton wrote: »

That's like saying TD's aren't responsible for the actions of the permanent civil service. The buck has to stop somewhere. Ultimately policy will reflect the views of the elected council over time. And the councillors were and are heavily tilted towards SF. Also, "independents" running in Dublin city centre are almost all marxist PBP types.

Councillors have no ability to over-ride the permanent executive, unlike national Government. Councils have been neutered by decades of national decisions

Neither SF, nor any independents, nor any PBP are in the ruling coalition on DCC. Its four parties, all of which are mostly elected in the outer suburbs/wealthier areas of the city.

manofachill

L1011 wrote: »

DCC is currently controlled by FF-GP-SD-Lab; none of which get votes from that cohort to any great extent.

What you appear to be missing is that a lot of the actions of the permanent executive of the council cannot be influenced by the elected members.

Not an accurate comment. Far more left leaning than the national government. Far more NIMBYs too. Across the North and South inner city areas Sinn Fein have the most councillors with 3.

Fianna Fáil (11)
Green Party (10)
Fine Gael (9)
Labour Party (8)
Sinn Féin (8)
Social Democrats (5)
Solidarity–PBP (2)
I4C (1)
Independent (9)[a]