Sherlock [** SPOILERS **]

Basq

unichick wrote: »

Really enjoyed it. I heard they won't be making anymore for at least a year as the guy writing it is involved with Dr Who.

Yeah, it'd be at least a year.

unichick wrote: »

I've never liked Dr Who but this was excellent. Series linked too.

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I never liked Doctor Who.. until I sat down and watched it. Watched the last 5 seasons over 2 months - it's a superb series and is currently the best it's ever been (with Moffat now lead-writer) and Matt Smith kicking arse as The Doctor.

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Monotype

This was a lot better than I thought. The trailer doesn't really do it justice. Reminds me that I still need to get through the original stories.
Some of the music was very similar to the music in Dexter.

blastman

I came in near the end of this but liked it almost immediately. I hope to sit down and watch the full episode tonight, thought it was very good.

By the way, "traditional" Sherlock Holmes is Basil Rathbone, not Jeremy Brett!

jonski

My UPC box decided not to record this tonight , and no repeats that I can see.

zimovain

I thought that was quite poor and I really enjoyed the first ep:(

Richard Dower

zimovain wrote: »

I thought that was quite poor and I really enjoyed the first ep:(

Oh dear - one hit wonder?

pixelburp

Just finished watching the second episode & yes, it wasn't a patch on the first. The spark and wit that was in the first episode just wasn't present in the second. Needless to say, Steven Moffat didn't write tonight's episode, and it showed in spades. The zingers and dry humour Sherlock came out with just wasn't present & the less said about the plot the better. Oh, Chinese characters coming out with cryptic wise sayings & bad pronunciation, eh? Lordy, I didn't realise we were watching a show from the 70s. Hah-so, old chinese pwoverb: steleotype chalacters suck baws.

Second episode syndrome is fairly common in TV shows, it's just a shame there's only one more to go. My understanding is that Mark Gatiss (co-creator with Moffat) will write that one, so maybe it will have more of the snappy dialogue of the first (though Gatiss' plotting has been god awful in Dr. Who, so lord knows what it'll be like here).

mike65

Bailed out halfway through as Top Gear was calling (I was going to wait until Tuesday for that) tedious Chinese smugling/sypher/code nonsense, I hope it picked up a bit for those who stuck with it.

TheIrishGrover

Wasn't bad but, as said above, wasn't a patch on the pilot. Now, I know ya shouldn't pick holes in these things as they are pretty outlandish anyway but

Surely the German tourists would have an German version of the London A-Z and not an English copy

Still looking forward to next week's ep. I mean, it's a bit of entertainment

Manach

First episode excellent, second episode a rather meeh. This seems a motif for Mr. Moffat. However, will tune in for the third.

humanji

Just got to watch this. As was said above, it's not a patch on the pilot, but it wasn't that bad. If there were a load of episodes to come, then I probably wouldn't feel disappointed, but because it was the second of three, I feel they could have given it a little more "umph".

speedboatchase

Do BBC show any repeats during the week? Would be interested in catching up with this

Basq

speedboatchase wrote: »

Do BBC show any repeats during the week? Would be interested in catching up with this

No repeats unfortunately!

Latest episode wasn't great.. but didn't think it was as awful as some people are making out. It was a big drop from the pilot though alright.

Richard Dower

I also thought it wasn't too bad, but no way as good as the first episode.

Our man in Havana

You might get a signed repeat in a few weeks at some ungodly hour.

The ending was pretty interesting. Is Moriarty being put forward as an individual or as a group?

LionelNashe

I wasn't impressed to see

Watson tied up in a chair like Penelope Pitstop

- not a very Holmesian type of ending

pickarooney

I thought this was easily as good as the pilot, although a lot of that could have been down to the pant-creamingly gorgeous Chinese girl.

Basq

pickarooney wrote:

pant-creamingly gorgeous Chinese girl.

She was cute alright!



She has featured in 'Doctor Who' and 'The IT Crowd' recently too! For those who watch 'The IT Crowd', she was

the female Sulu in Reynold's porno last week

and

also the girl who came up to Moss in the club in The Final Countdown episode

.

Am convinced it's her in the 'Bing' ad too where she starts shouting about 'Taxi Driver' and 'clutch bags' etc.

EDIT: This one..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wlZsPTWXqts

Richard Dower

^ research wh*re!

Basq

Richard Dower wrote: »

^ research wh*re!

Ha!

Well.. I couldn't remember her the 'Doctor Who' episode until I looked her up.

But I remember when I saw her in 'The IT Crowd' episode, I was positive it was the same girl from the Bing ad.. but never followed up!

Monotype

Bing has got ads?! I didn't know they were that desperate.

Er... and on topic, the last episode was still good enough to make me look forward to the next episode and the next season.

Redisle

Didn't really like the second episode that much, not a patch on the first anyway. Hopefully the third won't be quite so disappointing.

pickarooney

basquille wrote: »

Am convinced it's her in the 'Bing' ad too where she starts shouting about 'Taxi Driver' and 'clutch bags' etc.

EDIT: This one..

'Gemma Chan bing advert' brings up that clip alright.

I used google though

Richard Dower

Final ep. tonight - thoughts?

laugh

Moriarty disappointing story and terrible acting.

Ginny

Jim

was a bit obvious....

LionelNashe

Sheesh. I thought this was written by the Doctor Who guys, not the Father Ted guys.

mike65

I thought is might have been the Inspector for a while, actually that would have been better.

horgan_p

Kidnapping watson was way too obvious.
I actually thought that watson being missing might have been the cliffhanger.
Disappointed that they unveiled moriarty so early on , I had hoped they would get more from the "consulting criminal" thing.
The asassin thing just felt out of place as well.
Overall enjoyed it and as i said 3 weeks ago , glad it isnt going to be a 12 part show with a new ep every week.

I hope they'll take the same tact as RTE ( never thought i'd say that) with single handed. A few episodes here and there with more or less self contained stories.

zimovain

I enjoyed it immmensly. Brilliant way to spend a lazy Sunday night.

The Sparrow

I did not enjoy the last two episodes at all. The first was good but it's much easier to do a reboot than deliver compelling follow up episodes. It was better than last week, but once again it was terribly dull.

The minute the Irish guy was introduced into the lab I knew it was Moriarty. Why bother even introducing him like that? It doesn't add anything to the story at all and it was so damn obvious that the innocuous new character was going to be the villain. So in between being a criminal mastermind, Moriarty works as a low level IT guy in a hospital and is trying to get stuck into some dumpy pathologist?

Plus an hour and a half is way too long. Parts of it were so slow and I lost count of the number of times they showed Watson and Holmes gazing out the window of a black cab looking pensive for what seemed like an eternity. There was no real chemistry between the two leads after week 1 and as someone who is reading Holmes at the moment (finished The Sign of Four only this afternoon) neither actor made the part their own.

Overall, it turned into the disappointment that I feared even after the promising start.

keefg

I'm halfway through tonights episode on the BBC iplayer so I won't comment on the content just yet but I will say that all 3 episodes have been beautifully shot & edited.

pixelburp

So I watched the third episode, and although it was a vast improvement on the second story, it was still lacking in that zip and energy the first contained. Maybe that's just the nature of the beast, the set-up always has to be the hook.

The pay-off about

Moriarty

was hardly worth it though; it was quite a disappointment after what was a fairly intriguing build-up.

I actually didn't realise Jim from IT was Moriarty, in fact I thought it was a genuine attempt by that lab-girl to get Sherlock's attention / get him jealous by showing off her "boyfriend". But when he was revealed at the swimming pool (a nod towards the Reichenbach falls perhaps?), my bigger problem was the terrible over-acting and general chewing of the scenery by the actor. He hardly seemed like a criminal genius, and more of a ranting madman tbh

Overall though, I would be happy to see a full, proper series made of this; the 3 stories seem more of a proof-of-concept than anything else, and if all it tried to experiment was to see if Sherlock Holmes could be transplanted onto the modern world, then I would say mission successful.

LadyW

Enjoyable episode, but dreadful casting for Moriarty...

mike65

I was thinking about that, Moriaritys casting was quite clever. Not some obvious larger-than-life figure in a swishing cloak and rich dark voice but a weedy pale faced Irish fella in a suit that might have not quite fitted properly.

laugh

mike65 wrote: »

I was thinking about that, Moriaritys casting was quite clever. Not some obvious larger-than-life figure in a swishing cloak and rich dark voice but a weedy pale faced Irish fella in a suit that might have not quite fitted properly.

Moriarty is supposed to a criminal mastermind not a squeaky loon, an adversary worthy of Sherlock Holmes - why did he leave and then just reappear back?

bruce wayne

I was thinking he was more like a grown up version of Jedward !!

8mv

I enjoyed this episode much more than the second. There was genuine

threat and tension in the way the hostages were used and the identity of Moriarty came as a surprise to me. True, the actor who played the part (can't find him credited) was way over the top, but maybe that's what the role demands.

I presume we will see further episodes next year. Should be good.

humanji

I thought it was a good episode, but Moriarty was a diasspointment. I realised who he was when he first apepared. As The Sparrow said, there was no other reason for the character to be there. But I thought he was too young for the role. It just didn't seem right to me.

And when he was unveiled at the pool, before you see him and he calls out to Holmes, did anyone else think it sounded like Graham Norton?

I also would have prefered if they had stuck a little closer to the ending of the series of novels, as it was a better ending. In the book

Moriarty wants to kill Holmes because he keeps solving his crimes.

. I don't know if Moriarty wanting to "play" with Holmes worked in this episode.

Richard Dower

^ i personally think Jim is not Moriarty, but someone Moriarty hired to play him...as in an actor, i also think if this guy is the real Moriarty then it's a huge let down....the characterisation is horrid, he just does not eminate nemesis or a foe capable of defeating Holmes.

I thought the ep. was pretty good, much better then the second but not as good as the first, the third kept me engaged...but something has been lost from the pilot. It's like they re-evaluated the Holmes characterisation, changed him...i prefered the Holmes in the pilot.

But overall i think the show has potential, if it comes back i hope this Jim guy is a patsy.

daveyboy_1ie

Probably been said already but anyone know when they are making and airing the next episodes?

Richard Dower

^ think late next year, the makers have another project on the table, i'm thinking maybe Summer 2011, maybe a fall release.

JP Liz V1

BBC One's Sherlock looks as if it could become a big hit with US viewers after being bought by TV network PBS.
The first three episodes of Sherlock, which are due to air from October 24, have already received a "positive response" from US critics.
And Benedict Cumberbatch - who stars alongside Martin Freeman show - has just returned from a promotional tour in Los Angeles, along with writers Stephen Moffat and Mark Gatiss.
Benedict - who will also star in Steven Spielberg's next film War Horse - added that he hopes US viewers will enjoy the show, which transports Holmes and Watson to the modern era.
"If I had a penny for every time a fan of the originals had come up to me and said, 'I didn't want to like this, but I did,' I'd be a rich man," he said.
"The response has been phenomenal and it's great. We are very flattered."

humanji

Richard Dower wrote: »

^ i personally think Jim is not Moriarty, but someone Moriarty hired to play him...as in an actor, i also think if this guy is the real Moriarty then it's a huge let down....the characterisation is horrid, he just does not eminate nemesis or a foe capable of defeating Holmes.

That's what I was hoping. I was expecting Holmes to kill Moriarty and assume it's all over, but then for the real one to be seen lurking in the shadows or something. Maybe they will do something like that when the series continues.

Aaahhh.

Moriarty's voice was so bloody annoying!!

keefg

Deleted User wrote: »

Aaahhh.

Moriarty's voice was so bloody annoying!!

Defo. As Humanji said,

it was like Graham Norton's voice inside the little fella off Ant & Dec.

Dreadful casting.

Richard Dower

Season 2 confirmed: http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/tv/s129/sherlock/news/a259031/sherlock-returning-for-second-series.html

LionelNashe

laugh wrote: »

- why did he leave and then just reappear back?

I think it was a poor script-writers device to allow Watson to remove the explosive so that Holmes could point his gun at it for the cliffhanger ending. It didn't work for me either.

I wasn't expecting the guy from the hospital to be Moriarty. In my mind, Moriarty is a figure in the shadows who should remain forever elusive. When I read the short stories I thought it was a fair interpretation that he didn't even exist outside of Holmes's imagination, or that he was invented by Holmes as a means to fake his own death and disappear for 3 years.

Kai

It would have worked better if

Watson had kept the bomb jacket on and then Sherlock had pointed the gun at it instead!

Shooting it will kill them all anyway but if watson was wearing it at least it gives the cliffhanger an extra edge.

To be honest the first episode was great but it had major flaws and some plot holes. The 2nd and 3rd were a big step down. The ideas are good but it needs to be cut to 1 hour or they need to increase the complexity of the storylines. I liked the fact that holmes was a step ahead of everyone in the 1st episode but later on I didnt feel he was a step ahead using deduction but merely pulling abstract facts together which only he knew about.

And what the hell was the story with him not knowing the earth revolves around the sun but he knew about the

celestial body that appeared in the forged painting.

I get that they are trying to show that he only remembers the important facts but surely the rotation of the earth is not something he could afford to ignore. God help him when he tries to work out international timezones, changing seasons.....