List of Transposers/Relays upgraded to DTT?

Apogee

The Cush wrote: »

[*]Castletownbere Kerry 55V

Not Cork?

The Cush

Apogee wrote: »

Not Cork?

Information originally copied from http://www.techtir.ie/tv-radio/Irish-DTT-Sites.

Mullaghanish Cork or Kerry? (Kerry Co. Council for planning permission)
Clonmel Tipp or Waterford?
Woodcock Hill Clare or Limerick?

Site Location or Transmitter Coverage?

Not sure about the area down there but in some places the TX is located in a county outside its intended area. Holywell Hill is in Donegal but is basically there to serve Derry. Woodcock Hill, despite serving Limerick city, is in Clare.

Apogee

Mullagahanish is in Cork.

The Cush

Apogee wrote: »

Mullagahanish is in Cork.

Planning permission for the mast upgrade was given by Kerry Co Council, planning no. 071965

Dubluc

The Cush wrote: »

Kilkeaveragh 47V, Castletownbere 55V and Casla (RnaG) 45V. Will they be able to switch on the remaining 7 sites by launch day? (May 11th?)

If I'm not mistaken picked up Kilduff at parents place in N Tipperary last weekend and they are picking it up most of the time since at 52H. No other 52H transmitter site near so it must be Kilduff surely?

Presumably this is testing. If so surely that will make just six more to wait for.

Apogee

The Cush wrote: »

Planning permission for the mast upgrade was given by Kerry Co Council, planning no. 071965

I've been up to the site a couple of times. It's in Cork. Look at an OSI map if you don't believe me.

Both Mullaghanish and Castletownbere are correctly listed as being in Cork here:
http://www.geocities.ws/corkradio/tvch.html

The Cush

Dubluc wrote: »

If I'm not mistaken picked up Kilduff at parents place in N Tipperary last weekend and they are picking it up most of the time since at 52H. No other 52H transmitter site near so it must be Kilduff surely?

Presumably this is testing. If so surely that will make just six more to wait for.

I agree has to be Kilduff, not officially on yet according to the coverage checker. Monaghan was reported testing some time ago also, also not on yet.

The Cush

Apogee wrote: »

I've been up to the site a couple of times. It's in Cork. Look at an OSI map if you don't believe me.

I'm not disagreeing with you only pointing out that Kerry Co Council granted the planning permission for the mast upgrade.

I'm confused. The Cush is correct, but I was always under the belief that the TX site is in Cork, at least that's what any map told me.

The Cush

RTÉNL also list Mullaghanish as Kerry in their list of analogue transmission sites

MULLAGHANISH Kerry D * G * 27 ® 31 ® 220/375 BIII & UHF A

Apogee

On the printed OSI map it shows the site in Cork.

But having just looked at online mapviewer, the mast would be actually on the Kerry side - you move from Cork into Kerry as you walk the road from the gate to the site. The new mast is also 'north' of the old one.

http://maps.osi.ie/publicviewer/#V1,521438,581920,4,10

Apogee

The Cush wrote: »

RTÉNL also list Mullaghanish as Kerry in their list of analogue transmission sites

And lists Castletownbere in Cork. So we were both wrong right!

The Cush

Apogee wrote: »

And lists Castletownbere in Cork. So we were both wrong right!

As I said in my first post on this (#153) above, the information came from watty's techtir site which was updated following RTÉ's presentation to the ISAA in late Feb.

Typo by watty or inaccurate information from the sample brochure presented at the presentation?

Apogee

Dunno, but in the case of Mullaghanish, I've never heard it referred to as being in Kerry - always in Cork. Even on RTÉ announcements. Despite mapviewer showing otherwise.

Sponge Bob

Clifden Kilduff and Monaghan are testing.

The Cush

There sure are a lot of white spaces (no coverage) on the RTÉNL coverage checker map in the SW of the country even with the new transmitter sites switched on today. Let hope Saorsat gets off the starting block.

Anyone know what coverage prediction parameters RTÉNL are using for the coverage checker? Pre or post launch or ASO power levels?

darth_maul

just got this reply from RTENL after enquiring about DTT from Arranmore Donegal

Aranmore will be on the air by the end of May at the latest, but I’d hope earlier than that. The disruption to the analogue service will be minimal. Aranmore DTT will be on channel 47.

Regards,

note that they are saying now channel 47 not 44 as has been previously listed.

Clareman08

I’m on the West Coast of Clare and have the usual 2 UHF aerial configuration around here – Group B vertical for RTE/TG4 from Lahinch and Group A horizontal for a snowy TV3 from Mullaghanish. (The main Maghera transmitter is totally blocked). For the past few months I have been getting an occasionally good DTT signal (sound only – no picture) from Mullaghanish on my MPEG2 TV.

Picked up a Walker WP12DTB-R Saorview box recently to see what was going on. OK – as expected I got a picture from Mullaghanish about half of the time. Thanks to Sponge Bob, I decided to try Clifden to which I have a long line of sight over the ocean. Swung the Group A aerial around, changed it to vertical and am now getting a signal level of about 90% and quality of 100% on Channel 26. Great picture and sound – TG4 sound has been badly distorted from Lahinch for a long time, so it’s great to hear the old trad music clearly again! However, too soon to say if the signal level will drop with the weather.

Strange that Lahinch is not due to be upgraded to DTT. It covers a wide area (Lahinch, Miltown Malbay, Spanish Point) with a vast number of holiday homes. An aerial man could make a fortune around here!

lucernarian

What's the analogue channels from Clifden like with the new setup?

You could use the Group B aerial to pick up Casla which is closer to you than Clifden and may offer better signal strength, assuming the area where the Cliffs of Moher are aren't in the way. Also when the Knockanore site near Ballybunion is switched on for DTT, it might work better in case your existing signal does drop out with weather conditions etc. It's radio only at the moment but a good stereo signal on 89.2FM would at least suggest reasonable DTT too.

The Cush

Clareman08 wrote: »

I’m on the West Coast of Clare and have the usual 2 UHF aerial configuration around here – Group B vertical for RTE/TG4 from Lahinch and Group A horizontal for a snowy TV3 from Mullaghanish. (The main Maghera transmitter is totally blocked). For the past few months I have been getting an occasionally good DTT signal (sound only – no picture) from Mullaghanish on my MPEG2 TV.

Picked up a Walker WP12DTB-R Saorview box recently to see what was going on. OK – as expected I got a picture from Mullaghanish about half of the time. Thanks to Sponge Bob, I decided to try Clifden to which I have a long line of sight over the ocean. Swung the Group A aerial around, changed it to vertical and am now getting a signal level of about 90% and quality of 100% on Channel 26. Great picture and sound – TG4 sound has been badly distorted from Lahinch for a long time, so it’s great to hear the old trad music clearly again! However, too soon to say if the signal level will drop with the weather.

Strange that Lahinch is not due to be upgraded to DTT. It covers a wide area (Lahinch, Miltown Malbay, Spanish Point) with a vast number of holiday homes. An aerial man could make a fortune around here!

Mullaghanish is on reduced power at the moment but from reports here on the forum it may have at times been transmitting at increased power and receivable in the Aran Islands

Deleted User wrote: »

By the way Des told us he was amazed and continues to be amazed at the unexpected coverage of dtt in the sense that you either have it or you don't and when you do it can be far away in places not expected.

Mullaghanish for example is giving good coverage way out in the western part of the arran islands.

All transmitters away from the border will go full power from the official launch of Saorview (May 11th?) according to Black Briar who attended an RTÉ Saorview trade event recently, so Mullaghanish may be receivable again and Clifden should increase power also

Deleted User wrote: »

I attended a trade information meeting in Dublin for saorview this morning.
We had a long chat with Mary Curtis,a lovely lady so I don't want to hear another bad word said
Ray McGuire was also there as was Des who was very interesting,we spoke to him for ages,their tech head at RTENL.

...

Also another important bit of information...Most tx's apart from cairn hill are not on full power at the moment.
Cairn hill is currently on it's max power for DTT as they are testing equipment in the Republic and NI.
All other transmitters except those with NI overspill will be going full power from saorviews official launch date [may 6th ?] which in most cases will mean a 6db increase in received signal.
That increase includes all the non border area in fill sites such as Arklow,Gorey,Suir valley etc.
So expect an improvement in reception there in fringe areas.

Clifden is only testing at the moment according to Sponge Bob above but should be officially online soon, Casla (45V) went live this week.

Lahinch was never on the list of sites to be upgraded to DTT. Only 51 transmitters will be used for DTT with approx 98% population coverage. To achieve the same population coverage with analogue approx 170 sites were required. A large saving in day to day running costs and DTT is transmitted at lower power also.

Clareman08

Hi tbc, Clifden analogue picture since I set it up yesterday morning appears reasonably good but "slightly snowy", say about 70-80% of perfect. I'll check in again when the weather changes back to normal.

I had a look at Casla yesterday by twisting the Group B aerial towards it (just as well the roof is low!). Analogue is very weak though as it is blocked from me by the Cliffs of Moher as you mentioned and no digital signal was detected on Channel 45. I'll certainly give Knockanore a try when it comes on air, although there is some high ground in the way.

Anyone know what sort of power these new transmitters on the west coast are putting out?

Clareman08

Sorry The Cush, your post crossed with my last one.

Yes, I did see Mullaghanish DTT blasting in at 100% on the signal strength indicator of my Bravia MPEG2 TV at times during the past few months. This didn't seem to depend on the weather conditions at the time, so it looks like Mullaghanish will still be an option here when it goes on full power.

Sponge Bob

Cliden is Group A Channel 26 Vertical where Mullagh is Group A Ch 21 Horizontal.

Mullaghanish due a large power boost quite soon ( May I think) which will certainly improve matters for DTT reception. I would reconsider my Mullagh options at the end of May and then swivel that group A to Clifden ( vertical) if that were not usable in heavy weather.

Note Clifden and Mullagh are same group different polarisation. Your Group B aerial is correctly polarised but not optimal for Group A by any means.

We should revisit this chat after Clifden is launched next month...and while it is bucketing rain in the wesht, this good weather is wrecking everything

lucernarian

Is TG4 analogue from Clifden better than TG4 from Mullaghanish?

Clareman08

Start praying for rain!

Clareman08

Tbc, TG4 Channel 32 analogue picture from Clifden noticeably stronger at the moment than from Mullaghanish, but left sound channel distorted as with Lahinch (Mullaghanish sound always good).

lucernarian

I don't know if relays can offer Nicam sound or not but try turning off nicam (stereo) sound on your TV, that should help even if you only have mono sound.

Clareman08

Tbc, I tried various mono options and different receivers in the past and it still sounded distorted. The TG4 sound problem used to be more intermittent and was fixed from time to time after I reported the fault to RTE/TG4.

Anyway, it was never a big deal for me as I could tune to Mullaghanish which always had good sound at the expense of a fairly snowy picture. Now that we are gone digital the problem is eliminated!

Sponge Bob

I was told that Casla only broadcasts east or west and that the signal to the Aran Islands will come from Maghera or Clifden. I think Clifden may be more powerful than originally envisaged.

By the way here is the original DTT rollout and coverage plan as it was supposed to look at the end of March 2011. It has changed quite a lot since 2007 but not at the expense of providing demonstrably worse coverage.

lucernarian

I wonder when RTÉ will provide a list of ERPs like they do for analogue currently.

Does anyone feel that RTÉ will add to the list of 51 sites for DTT transmission regardless of how SaorSat fares out? There could well be public pressure brought to bear particularly when Saorsat installations will be more costly for people who have an aerial adequately served by a local relay, like in Ennistymon in Clare or Carlingford in Co. Louth. I'm not sure if some of these areas are served by an existing relay or not, but some bigger population centres I've also noticed with DTT coverage issues include:

Kilmacthomas, Waterford
Ballyragget, Kilkenny
Drogheda, Louth
in and around Skibbereen, Cork
Boyle, Roscommon


There were plans for a relay in Loughrea with the old 4-mux pay TV plan but with the height increase in Maghera and the coverage predictor on RTENL, I can't see the justification for one now.

There's also the issue of people only being allowed to have one dish on a house and this might cause problems between county councils and those who have regular Sky dishes already. Not having DTT coverage is a particular issue for apartment dwellers and this will be brought to bear in Drogheda especially. There's quite a lot of apartments in Drogheda which are unfortunately located along the river where even RTÉ FM coverage is somewhat weak.

It may not require too much expenditure for RTÉ to take 51 sites to 58 and aim for 99% population coverage instead of 98%.

Sponge Bob

To_be_confirmed wrote: »

Does anyone feel that RTÉ will add to the list of 51 sites for DTT transmission regardless of how SaorSat fares out?

There will be a right sh1tstorm in places that get neither Saorview not Saorsat, I am thinking of Leenane in Galway which is in satelliet shadow owing to an ingorant mountain between them and the Saorview transmitter in Clifden and the Saorsat satellite, both.

In Norway ..admittedly a vastly more complex terrain for sat and dtt both...they have installed 500 satellite shadow transmitters alone on top of a regular dtt network comprising 43 main transmitters and 310 relays.

I would think that there are at least 20 locations in Ireland, where either a full relay must be installed ( eg Navan or Drogheda) or else a micro relay.

No way around it..unless they run FTTH instead which would be a much better and generally more robust long term solution. The south coast is a difficult terrain for DTT but will not have a problem with satellite shadow. Think Galway and Donegal in the main.

lucernarian

I was looking at Leenane on google maps earlier, it seemed to be fairly sparsely populated even by rural Irish standards so I didn't mention it.

Ah don't mind the poor plebs in Nyaavan, the topology of that town is generally more friendly and they have better coverage from Kippure/Three Rock and Cairn Hill. There's also a lower number of apartment blocks which are located along the river and many parts of Navan have cable too. Bias against Meath?! Never.

Cognisant of RTE's financial position it would be nice to see even 5 or 10 extra DTT relays and allow analogue rebroadcasting into the odd isolated valley here and there (self-help schemes), in a similar fashion to the Americans. PAL broadcasting isn't automatically banned by the EU on 1 January 2013.

Peter Rhea

Achill, Clifden & Kilduff showing as on now; http://coverage.rtenl.ie/RTENLcoveragechecker.php

STB

To_be_confirmed wrote: »

I wonder when RTÉ will provide a list of ERPs like they do for analogue currently.

Does anyone feel that RTÉ will add to the list of 51 sites for DTT transmission regardless of how SaorSat fares out? There could well be public pressure brought to bear particularly when Saorsat installations will be more costly for people who have an aerial adequately served by a local relay, like in Ennistymon in Clare or Carlingford in Co. Louth. I'm not sure if some of these areas are served by an existing relay or not, but some bigger population centres I've also noticed with DTT coverage issues include:

Kilmacthomas, Waterford
Ballyragget, Kilkenny
Drogheda, Louth
in and around Skibbereen, Cork
Boyle, Roscommon


There were plans for a relay in Loughrea with the old 4-mux pay TV plan but with the height increase in Maghera and the coverage predictor on RTENL, I can't see the justification for one now.

There's also the issue of people only being allowed to have one dish on a house and this might cause problems between county councils and those who have regular Sky dishes already. Not having DTT coverage is a particular issue for apartment dwellers and this will be brought to bear in Drogheda especially. There's quite a lot of apartments in Drogheda which are unfortunately located along the river where even RTÉ FM coverage is somewhat weak.

It may not require too much expenditure for RTÉ to take 51 sites to 58 and aim for 99% population coverage instead of 98%.

What do you mean they have coverage issues ?

Is this from looking at a coverage map ?

Drogheda is served by CC. Any apartment complex worth their salt has shared outside aerials serving all apartments.

lucernarian

I'm not sure I follow you. Coverage issues are exactly that. Signal strengths in the central areas of Drogheda along the river are poor and Clermont Carn doesn't reach into that part well. Also, Tullyesker Hill blocks off Clermont Carn from the northwestern outskirts of Drogheda so Kippure VHF is better in that area. Cairn Hill is mainly used along the riverside but reception wouldn't be perfect on that either.

When VHF is switched off, these low lying areas will have trouble with DTT unless the promised power increases are significant. The number of multi-storey buildings along the Boyne exacerbate the problem.

I completely agree, apartment complexes should have a proper communal aerial set up but that sentiment won't change those stuck without one. A relay in Drogheda would solve more than just the shortsightedness of building developers. Not having a relay means lots of people need an outdoor aerial where a rabbits ears would have worked otherwise and that can be a signficant cost for those people who don't have the luxury of Chorus or Sky.

STB

DTT will get to places that analogue never did. It is infinetly more powerful.

People living in heavily concreted dwellings such as apartments need to make sure that there is a proper communal aerial system. Its not dear to implement.

You are also assuming that present DTT transmission power levels will stay stagnant. They wont. When analogue switches off, there will be more moves in this area accross the country.

lucernarian

Ah now, let's not be ridiculous. Nothing is "infinitely powerful" and DTT won't come close to it. I've installed aerials in Drogheda so I know a thing or two about existing analogue and DTT coverage and I've been in contact with RTENL over power increases and my info is that Three Rock/Kippure and Cairn Hill won't experience significant power increases.

So I'm definitely not forgetting about planned power increases. Have a look at the coverage map on RTENL, you'll see plenty of white spots and that coverage is based on an aerial with more gain than a standard contract, and at a height of 10 metres above ground level. DTT doesn't just have to work, it has to work reliably and with a margin able to deal with local EMI and any tropo ducting events that happen. The coverage map reflects that I think.

Do you feel that no place in Ireland needs any more TX sites even if RTÉ had the resources to provide them and Saorsat does go ahead?

Vince Cable

STB wrote: »

DTT will get to places that analogue never did. It is infinetly more powerful.

Digital transmissions can't work miracles.

There's nothing wrong with providing low(ish) powered relays to ensure populated areas are well covered.

STB

To_be_confirmed wrote: »

Ah now, let's not be ridiculous. Nothing is "infinitely powerful" and DTT won't come close to it. I've installed aerials in Drogheda so I know a thing or two about existing analogue and DTT coverage and I've been in contact with RTENL over power increases and my info is that Three Rock/Kippure and Cairn Hill won't experience significant power increases.

So I'm definitely not forgetting about planned power increases. Have a look at the coverage map on RTENL, you'll see plenty of white spots and that coverage is based on an aerial with more gain than a standard contract, and at a height of 10 metres above ground level. DTT doesn't just have to work, it has to work reliably and with a margin able to deal with local EMI and any tropo ducting events that happen. The coverage map reflects that I think.

Do you feel that no place in Ireland needs any more TX sites even if RTÉ had the resources to provide them and Saorsat does go ahead?

Infinitely: The power required by a DTT TX over that of analogue to serve the same population area is 1 is to 5. The main DTT TXs operate 7db below and relative to analogue ERP.

The main TX sites arent running at full power mainly as a direct result of the high power analogue tx's also being on. Additionaly, distant analogue signals on nearby frequencies can according to weather conditions reflect off the ionosphere to introduce more interference. In relation to CC, ASO is being co-cordinated with NI ASO so I would imagine that you will see significant improvements at CC come ASO.

RTEs have been carrying out a lot of work over the last year with the ultimate goal of achieving its mandate of 98% coverage by 31 December 2011 with ASO to begin in 2012.

Yes there will be 2% that could never be serviced by small infill tx's. The whole idea of Saorsat (which will appear over this Summer) will be to fill those fringe areas (as well as anyone who wants to recive it that way) and cut down on the prohibitive costs of servicing every nook and cranny of the Island by infill TXs.

I dont think Drogheda Town Centre fits into the Saorsat programme! It will be served adequately by CC DTT, at least that seems to be RTE NLs plan.

I am sure they will listen to suitable reception reports.

The Cush

Peter Rhea wrote: »

Achill, Clifden & Kilduff showing as on now; http://coverage.rtenl.ie/RTENLcoveragechecker.php

Thanks for the update, only 4 sites remaining.

Monaghan reported as testing, Aranmore as posted here recently will be available by the end of May (or earlier). No information on Letterkenny and Cnoc an Oir.

Thread list updated

Main Sites

• Cairn Hill Longford 47H
• Clermont Carn Louth 53V
• Dungarvan Waterford 55H
• Holywell Hill Donegal 30H
• Kippure Wicklow 54H
• Maghera Clare 48H
• Mount Leinster Carlow 45H
• Mullaghanish Cork 21H
• Spur Hill Cork 45H
• Three Rock Dublin 54H
• Truskmore Sligo 53H
• Woodcock Hill Clare (Limerick) 47H

Relay/Transposer Sites

• Achill Mayo 47V
• Arklow Wicklow 21V
• Arranmore Donegal 47V
• Ballybofey Donegal 47V
• Bantry Cork 52H&V
• Cahir Tipperary Sth. 28V
• Casla (RnaG) Galway 45V
• Castlebar Mayo 22H
• Castletownbere Kerry 55V
• Clifden Galway 26V
• Clonakilty Cork 48H
• Clonmel Waterford 55H
• Cnoc an Oir Kerry 47V
• Collins Barracks Cork 50V
• Crosshaven Cork 46V
• Dooncarton Belmullet, Mayo 27H&V
• Fanad Donegal 55V
• Fermoy Cork 52V
• Ferrypoint Waterford 47V
• Forth Mountain Wexford 52V
• Gallows Hill (Rathfadden) Waterford (City) 22V
• Glanmire Cork 47H
• Glencolmcille Donegal 45H
• Gorey Wexford 55H
• Greystones Wicklow 52V
• Kilduff Tipperary Nth. 52H
• Kilkeaveragh Kerry 47V
• Kinsale Cork 30V
• Knockmoyle Kerry 52V
• Laragh Wicklow 47H
• Letterkenny Donegal 53V
• Maamclassach Kerry 46V
• Magheraroarty Donegal 22V
• Malin Donegal 28H
• Mitchelstown Cork 40V
• Monaghan (Lugad) Monaghan 55H
• Moville Donegal 45H
• Suir Valley Waterford 52V
• Tonabrocky Galway 26V

Green = On-Air (03 May 2011) - 47 sites
Blue = Planned by Mid 2011 - 4 sites

I'm in Kerry at the moment with LOS to Knockanore. Tried to pick it up earlier and no dice. So nothing as of yet.

lucernarian

Ok, let me mention that the 4-multiplex plan did include a relay for Drogheda, as did a ministerial statement when RTÉ were to go it alone but in the past year, RTÉ opted against installing a transposer in Drogheda. The equipment that was apparently contracted for on the eTenders website must have gone to a different site, perhaps Forth Mountain or Malin or suchlike.

I can't see how you know that Drogheda will be covered when RTENL themselves say it won't be completely covered under Saorview and none of us here know to what extent RTÉ will increase powers in Clermont Carn in particular. As it stands, the final DTT antenna hasn't even been put in place yet! The directivity of that will influence what coverage will be like in comparison to analogue. It is my understanding that ASO will result in an increase in power of something of the order of 6dB and if that were the case, I can say with certainty that there will be reception issues in a number of locations in the Boyne valley. We don't know yet until ASO happens. Even if there was a 10dB increase, there still would be isolated spots where a reliable DTT signal would be hard to get. That doesn't mean RTÉ should go to the expense of providing a relay.

My view is perhaps the sheer number of people who will benefit by not having to pay for expensive aerial installs is a better justification. Many people in Dublin for example are reaping the benefits of DTT that's broadcasting at a higher absolute ERP than analogue on the same site.

The main TXs are not running at full power because of clearance issues with UK authorities and the fact that RTENL haven't finished building the network and assessing performance yet, not because of analogue broadcasts within the state. Thanks to VHF and the SFN with Kippure and Three Rock and relays not using their TV3 allocation (like with Castlebar), there is plenty of room for DTT with existing Analogue broadcasts.

In any case, describing something as infinitely more powerful than anything else is absurd. RTENL have hardly tried to divide by zero;)

Sponge Bob

Saorsat will work fine in certain areas with weak DTT signals and multiswitches exist that will allow ka/ku integration as long as no H/V polrity signals are sent... mainly in the states though.

There will be fun with pesky sky boxes that do not support Diseqc of course but there are 'burst generators' out there

However there are areas where neither Saorsat nor Saorview will work, generally in the west.

lucernarian

I just hope that Saorsat will actually be taken up by RTÉ, €3 million p/a is the price tag IIRC. Quite a lot of money for the state broadcaster in these recessionary times. And even then, planning laws might force people to pick Saorsat or Freesat, barring some budget torodial dishes arriving on the market. That's for another thread of course.

Sponge Bob

Sounds a tad high , Eutelsat reckon Ka Sat will deliver €100m revenue across its 80 spots in 2012 or €1.25m per spot. Saorsat will only use a fraction of a spot. It may eventually cost €3m if they are running 6 muxes worth of traffic on that spot but I suspect it will cost €1m for 2 muxes worth at most...pro rata.

As much as 1 x Pat Kenny

The Cush

To_be_confirmed wrote: »

I just hope that Saorsat will actually be taken up by RTÉ, €3 million p/a is the price tag IIRC.

€1.5 million according to RTÉ

Deputy Liz McManus: What will that provision cost RTE?

Mr. Conor Hayes: A limited amount, which is detailed in the document we have supplied the committee. It will cost us approximately €1.5 million per year. We can manage it. As other channels come on board, part of the cost will be defrayed. In light of the security this option provides and the ability to supply to the 2% of the population who do not currently receive public service television, the cost can be adequately justified. We might have a different take on the situation were the cost €20 million or €25 million, but the actual amount is appropriate and reasonable.

http://debates.oireachtas.ie/MAJ/2010/07/14/00003.asp

lucernarian

Thanks for the clarification! Apologies for being too lazy to look back over the thread had on the subcommittee presentation by Conor Hayes.

I still feel wary about the likelihood of the plan, it's almost too good to be true! The delay hasn't inspired confidence either.

STB

To_be_confirmed wrote: »

.............................. blah blah

In any case, describing something as infinitely more powerful than anything else is absurd. RTENL have hardly tried to divide by zero;)

So you have come around to the reality that the main sites are not on full power then ? A little change from a few posts back.

It is €1.5m as The Cush said.

Yes Drogheda was in the original list. It was dropped some time ago which has also been widely known (it wasnt the only one).

For your information a sizeable proportion of the country will require an outdoor aerial.

Look I'm not here to convince you or debate every point! Its the plan for now, unless you can convince frequency planners and techs otherwise.

I get the impression that you dont want to hear anyway or seem to know better! Perhaps, it would be infinetly better to leave it at that

Sponge Bob

If it is €1.5m for 6 muxes worth then 2 muxes worth will cost maybe €500-700k.