List of Transposers/Relays upgraded to DTT?

rpm1966

Is the Monaghan transmitter also called 'Agahbog'? Is it fully operational now and tansmitting Irish DTT on Ch55? Is this from the site http://www.techtir.ie/tv-radio/Irish-DTT-Sites correct: Monaghan
Monaghan 55 ? ? ? H C/D ? 54.1107, -7.0143

lucernarian

I typed in "Monaghan" into here http://coverage.rtenl.ie/index.php Ch. 55, horizontal for mux 1. I forget on what channel Mux 2 is broadcast on.

Did you read even the last few posts of this thread?

And yes, I've heard Monaghan (Lugad) being referred to as Agahbog.

deaglan169

ch59 is mux 2, lugad is always referred to as aghabog around monaghan

The Cush

The Cush wrote: »

All sites now officially live - http://www.saorview.ie/make-the-switch/coverage-checker/coverage-map/

Didn't think we'd be updating this thread again but as posted by marno21 4 further relay sites are to be added in Oct

Main Sites

• Cairn Hill Longford 47H
• Clermont Carn Louth 53V
• Dungarvan Waterford 55H
• Holywell Hill Donegal 30H
• Kippure Wicklow 54H
• Maghera Clare 48H
• Mount Leinster Carlow 45H
• Mullaghanish Cork 21H
• Spur Hill Cork 45H
• Three Rock Dublin 54H
• Truskmore Sligo 53H
• Woodcock Hill Clare (Limerick) 47H

Relay/Transposer Sites

• Achill Mayo 47V
• Arklow Wicklow 21V
• Arranmore Donegal 47V
• Ballybofey Donegal 47V
• Bantry Cork 52H&V
• Cahir Tipperary Sth. 28V
• Casla (RnaG) Galway 45V
• Castlebar Mayo 22H
• Castletownbere Kerry 55V
• Clifden Galway 26V
• Clonakilty Cork 48H
• Clonmel Waterford 55H
• Cnoc an Oir Kerry 47V
• Collins Barracks Cork 50V
• Crosshaven Cork 46V
• Dooncarton Belmullet, Mayo 27H&V
• Fanad Donegal 55V
• Fermoy Cork 52V
• Ferrypoint Waterford 47V
• Forth Mountain Wexford 52V
• Gallows Hill (Rathfadden) Waterford (City) 22V
• Glanmire Cork 47H
• Glencolmcille Donegal 45H
• Gorey Wexford 55H
• Greystones Wicklow 52V
• Kilduff Tipperary Nth. 52H
• Kilkeaveragh Kerry 47V
• Kinsale Cork 30V
• Knockmoyle Kerry 52V
• Laragh Wicklow 47H
• Letterkenny Donegal 53V
• Maamclassach Kerry 46V
• Magheraroarty Donegal 22V
• Malin Donegal 28H
• Mitchelstown Cork 40V
• Monaghan (Lugad) Monaghan 55H
• Moville Donegal 45H
• Suir Valley Waterford 52V
• Tonabrocky Galway 26V

Relay Sites to be added in 2012

• Bandon Cork
  
• Dingle Kerry
• Glenties Donegal
• Greenore Louth

Green = On-Air (24 May 2011) - 51 sites
Blue = Planned for Oct 2012 - 4 sites

The Cush

The Cush wrote: »

Relay Sites to be added in 2012

• Bandon Cork
  
• Dingle Kerry
• Glenties Donegal
• Greenore Louth

Green = On-Air (24 May 2011) - 51 sites
Blue = Planned for Oct 2012 - 4 sites

The 4 new DTT sites got a mention in the Dáil last week in a discussion on Saorview coverage

Minister for Communications, Energy and Natural Resources (Deputy Pat Rabbitte): [...]

Work has been ongoing across the country to prepare the transmission sites for the move from analogue to digital terrestrial television. However, it is virtually impossible to cover 100% of the population by terrestrial means. Reasons for this include local topography, for example. While cover from a terrestrial network can never reach 100% of the population, RTE is conscious of the needs of communities and is making efforts to ensure areas with larger population centres are provided with the Saorview service. These areas include Glenties, Bandon, Carlingford and Dingle.

http://debates.oireachtas.ie/dail/2012/04/25/00019.asp

The Cush

Another mention of the 4 new Saorview sites in the Dáil on Tuesday, won't be available until ASO on the 24th Oct.

Work has been ongoing across the country to prepare the transmission sites for the move from analogue to digital terrestrial television. However, it is virtually impossible to cover 100% of the population by terrestrial means. Reasons for this include local topography, for example. RTÉ is conscious of the needs of communities and is making efforts to ensure areas with larger population centres are provided with the Saorview service. To date, RTÉ has committed to improve coverage in the following areas: Glenties, Bandon, Carlingford and Dingle. Coverage improvements in these areas will not be possible until the analogue TV service is switched off.

http://debates.oireachtas.ie/dail/2012/05/01/00235.asp#N2

The Cush

The Cush wrote: »

Relay Sites to be added in 2012

• Bandon Cork
  
• Dingle Kerry
• Glenties Donegal
• Greenore Louth

Green = On-Air (24 May 2011) - 51 sites
Blue = Planned for Oct 2012 - 4 sites

The date of completion and the channel numbers will be announced in the coming weeks. The frequency allocations will be within the same band as currently used for the analogue channels.

Saorview Tech & Trade
15 hours ago.

RTÉNL have announced that a further four transmitter sites will be upgraded to broadcast SAORVIEW later this year at Bandon, Dingle, Greenore and Glenties.

The date of completion and the channel numbers will be announced in the coming weeks.

The aerials that viewers are currently using in the coverage areas of these sites to receive analogue RTÉ One, RTÉ Two and TG4 will be within the correct band to receive SAORVIEW services from these sites, when they become available.

Watch this space for further details.

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Saorview-Tech-Trade/329691340422770

The Cush

Updated list of DTT sites (thanks to marno21 over in the other thread for the new sites list)

Main Sites

• Cairn Hill Longford 47H
• Clermont Carn Louth 53V
• Dungarvan Waterford 55H
• Holywell Hill Donegal 30H
• Kippure Wicklow 54H
• Maghera Clare 48H
• Mount Leinster Carlow 45H
• Mullaghanish Cork 21H
• Spur Hill Cork 45H
• Three Rock Dublin 54H
• Truskmore Sligo 53H
• Woodcock Hill Clare (Limerick) 47H

Relay/Transposer Sites

• Achill Mayo 47V
• Arklow Wicklow 21V
• Arranmore Donegal 47V
• Ballybofey Donegal 47V
• Bantry Cork 52H&V
• Cahir Tipperary Sth. 28V
• Casla (RnaG) Galway 45V
• Castlebar Mayo 22H
• Castletownbere Kerry 55V
• Clifden Galway 26V
• Clonakilty Cork 48H
• Clonmel Waterford 55H
• Cnoc an Oir Kerry 47V
• Collins Barracks Cork 50V
• Crosshaven Cork 46V
• Dooncarton Belmullet, Mayo 27H&V
• Fanad Donegal 55V
• Fermoy Cork 52V
• Ferrypoint Waterford 47V
• Forth Mountain Wexford 52V
• Gallows Hill (Rathfadden) Waterford (City) 22V
• Glanmire Cork 47H
• Glencolmcille Donegal 45H
• Gorey Wexford 55H
• Greystones Wicklow 52V
• Kilduff Tipperary Nth. 52H
• Kilkeaveragh Kerry 47V
• Kinsale Cork 30V
• Knockmoyle Kerry 52V
• Laragh Wicklow 47H
• Letterkenny Donegal 53V
• Maamclassach Kerry 46V
• Magheraroarty Donegal 22V
• Malin Donegal 28H
• Mitchelstown Cork 40V
• Monaghan (Lugad) Monaghan 55H
• Moville Donegal 45H
• Suir Valley Waterford 52V
• Tonabrocky Galway 26V

Relay Sites to be added in 2012

• Bandon Cork 47H
  
• Dingle Kerry 30V
• Glenties Donegal 46H
• Greenore Louth 43V
  
• Mount Gabriel Cork ??H & V
• Leap Cork ??H
• Rosscarbery Cork ??H
• Drimoleague Cork ??V
• Timoleague Cork ??V
• Kilmacthomas Waterford ??V
• Ballina/Killaloe Clare ??V
• Ennistymon Clare ??H
• Clonmany Donegal ??V
  

Green = On-Air (24 May 2011) - 51 sites
Blue = Planned for Oct 2012 - 13 sites

lucernarian

I feel much better about Saorview coverage now that Mt. Gabriel, Kilmacthomas, Rosscarbery and Ennistymon will be added. I'm a little suprised at the addition of Clonmany, it serves a rather small area in Donegal which Malin would be able to partially cover.

roverdublin

For the South West it is really great and necessary that Mount Gabriel will be upgraded to DTT.
However, does anybody know when exactly Mount Gabriel will go online with transmitting the Digital Channels?

The Cush

roverdublin wrote: »

However, does anybody know when exactly Mount Gabriel will go online with transmitting the Digital Channels?

Haven't seen any official dates.

lawhec

According to RTÉNL's Saorview coverage checker, Three Rock will be changing from E54 to E30 on the 10th July.

To_be_confirmed wrote: »

I'm a little suprised at the addition of Clonmany, it serves a rather small area in Donegal which Malin would be able to partially cover.

Clonmany I understand is in a major coverage hole which has its own analogue relay at present. There was a similar political kerfuffle there as there was in S Cork.

The Cush

lawhec wrote: »

Clonmany I understand is in a major coverage hole which has its own analogue relay at present. There was a similar political kerfuffle there as there was in S Cork.

There was an article in the local Inishowen Independent and a Dáil question on it last Nov - http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=75270971#post75270971

lawhec wrote: »

According to RTÉNL's Saorview coverage checker, Three Rock will be changing from E54 to E30 on the 10th July.

Ch 30 is one its RRC06 allocations, no longer an SFN with Kippure. Moving it away from possible interference from mobile services in the digital dividend spectrum maybe. Easier to move frequencies than try to explain to such a large urban population that they might require a filter on their wideband aerials to eliminate possible interference when services start next year.

Less than 2 weeks to the change of frequency and no public notice, maybe they'll continue with the 2 frequencies for a period of time.

lawhec

The Cush wrote: »

Ch 30 is one its RRC06 allocations, no longer an SFN with Kippure. Moving it away from possible interference from mobile services in the digital dividend spectrum maybe. Easier to move frequencies than try to explain to such a large urban population that they might require a filter on their wideband aerials to eliminate possible interference when services start next year.

Less than 2 weeks to the change of frequency and no public notice, maybe they'll continue with the 2 frequencies for a period of time.

Surely if there are potential problems with 800Mhz frequencies affecting DVB-T transmissions on Ch 54, then most of the channels in the 50's could be potentially Donald Ducked, not to mention that some currently very high UHF frequencies (66-68) already lie close to GSM 900MHz frequencies anyway. Most concern at least in Britain about interference refers to Ch 60 where the guard band is quite small.

I'm sure RTÉNL are not simply moving frequencies for the sake of it though. The same frequencies were allocated to Three Rock and Kippure IIRC so it might not be impossible to see Kippure move in due course.

The Cush

lawhec wrote: »

Surely if there are potential problems with 800Mhz frequencies affecting DVB-T transmissions on Ch 54, then most of the channels in the 50's could be potentially Donald Ducked, not to mention that some currently very high UHF frequencies (66-68) already lie close to GSM 900MHz frequencies anyway. Most concern at least in Britain about interference refers to Ch 60 where the guard band is quite small.

I'm sure RTÉNL are not simply moving frequencies for the sake of it though.

During the Comreg Multi-spectrum auction consultation process RTÉ/RTÉNL expressed concerns about interference to DTT down to Ch 52. With the two Three-Rock frequencies (Chs 54/58) within that range and wideband aerials in general use it was the first thing that came to mind when you posted about the change of frequency, of course the reason could be entirely different.

Interference within the range should be easy enough to resolve with a filter/reduced group aerial but there could be the potential for viewer complaints to RTÉ/politicians, politician complaints to RTÉ etc. for the additional cost of resolving interference issues after the initial cost of having to upgrade to Saorview in the first place.

This from that consultation process

RTÉ and RTÉNL have found from a sample of 10 approved SAORVIEW receivers that performance (in terms of interference rejection of adjacent channel DTT signals) is broadly similar to, and as varied as, the samples given by Ofcom, and ECC Report 148. It should also be noted that the n+9 channel performance of some superhetrodyne receivers requires higher protection ratios at channels 52 to 55 (depending on which 800MHz block is in use). For example, several of the SAORVIEW receivers tested demonstrate poorer performance at channel 52 than at channel 59 (and only marginally better than channel 60 in one case), with respect to rejecting an interferer in the first adjacent block above 790MHz. This means that it is not always correct to assume that channels further away from 790MHz will experience less interference.

Studies carried out in the UK (June 2011) identify that channels 52 to 59 may also suffer interference but to a lesser extent than channel 60. Additionally, ComReg notes that the UK study assessed the susceptibility of interference based on the worst-case measured performance of DTT domestic receivers, and therefore the results of this study may overstate the potential issue;

lawhec wrote: »

The same frequencies were allocated to Three Rock and Kippure IIRC so it might not be impossible to see Kippure move in due course.

Different frequencies were allocated to Three-Rock and Kippure at RRC-06.

Sponge Bob

Interference is likely to be between 800mhz UPLINK frequencies ( return channel from phone to cell) where the PHONE signal is weak. It strikes me that this problem will be more common in rural areas where distances to cells/coverage will be more of an issue and will result in LTE devices upping their transmission power to compensate.

A very good explanation here. http://stakeholders.ofcom.org.uk/binaries/consultations/949731/annexes/Dynamics-of-3GPP-LTE-uplink.pdf

I am not saying it did not play a part in Channel 30 being selected at 3Rock seeing as 3Rock is one of the main phone mast complexes in Dublin and was key to 088 coverage back in the day in the 800mhz band. However in the cities there will be a trend towards smaller mobile cells at 1800mhz and 2600mhz frequencies. From the conclusion in the link above.

For the case of continuous LTE UE interference transmission and a weak DTT signal of -70dBm, the minimum protection distance varied from 0.9 meters for the best receiver type to tens of meters for the worst performing receiver. For a stronger DTT signal of -50dBm, the analysis shows that most DTT receivers can operate within 1m of an interfering LTE UE. Some of the receiver types needed more separation, with the worst case receiver requiring a 6.5m separation. With a strong DTT signal of -30dBm, all but one of the receivers (the Can tuner 7 MHz) could operate within 1m of the LTE UE. For both continuous and discontinuous LTE interference transmission, DTT receivers with set top antennas required greater separation from LTE UEs than DTT receivers with roof top antennas. The MCL analysis shows that this is due to the elevation pattern of the DTT antenna, although in practice the walls of the building and height difference would help isolate the DTT antenna from UE interference. Since we assume a worst case of free space path loss and no obstructions for the interfering path, we can expect that roof top DTT receivers may still work well at smaller separation distances than those shown in this report. In this case, the dominant source of LTE interference may be from an alternate leakage between the indoor components, e.g., via the fly lead of the DTT. Such forms of interference have not been considered in this study.

Good quality drop cables from the wall to the TV will mitigate many of these issues....locating the TV socket higher up the wall behind the telly, thereby shielding the cable with the telly itself....would also make sense. Particularly out the country.

Dodgy 4G LTE outdoor 'signal boosters' will most likely be the biggest single problem.

The Cush

Sponge Bob wrote: »

Dodgy 4G LTE outdoor 'signal boosters' will most likely be the biggest single problem.

... and masthead amplifiers, wideband aerials etc.

Come next year, post ASO - post Comreg auction - post LTE launch, the forum may be busy with interference related problems.

Who'll pay for the public information campaign - RTÉ, Comreg, the Dept? We know the viewer will pay to fix the problem unlike the UK where £180m is avaliable from the government/mobile operators even though Freeview estimate it'll cost in the region of £200m.

Sponge Bob

The Cush wrote: »

RTÉ, Comreg, the Dept? We know the viewer will pay to fix the problem unlike the UK where £180m is avaliable from the government/mobile operators even though Freeview estimate it'll cost in the region of £200m.

The Irish public will be abandoned to their fate. It will not be RTEs fault and Comreg and the Dept will deny everything!

The Cush

The Cush wrote: »

Relay Sites to be added in 2012

• Bandon Cork 47H
  
• Dingle Kerry 30V
• Glenties Donegal 46H
• Greenore Louth 43V
• Mount Gabriel Cork ??H & V
• Leap Cork ??H
• Rosscarbery Cork ??H
• Drimoleague Cork ??V
• Timoleague Cork ??V
• Kilmacthomas Waterford ??V
• Ballina/Killaloe Clare ??V
• Ennistymon Clare ??H
• Clonmany Donegal ??V

New sites to be switched on in early Oct

Saorview Tech & Trade
July 02

The RTÉ Transmission Network (RTÉNL) has announced the following sites will be added to the SAORVIEW network. This brings the total number of sites to 64. Currently 51 sites are on the air, with the remaining 13 due to begin broadcasting in early October.

Carlingford, Co. Louth
Bandon, Co. Cork
Dingle, Co. Kerry
Glenties, Co. Donegal
Mount Gabriel, Co. Cork
Rosscarbery, Co. Cork
Leap, Co. Cork
Drimoleague, Co. Cork
Kilmacthomas, Co. Waterford
Clonmany, Co. Donegal
Ennistymon, Co. Clare
Timoleague, Co. Cork
Ballina, Co. Tipperary


http://www.facebook.com/pages/Saorview-Tech-Trade/329691340422770

Sponge Bob

Saorview are meeting the Installer and Box shifting trade in the North West this week.

Landmark Hotel, Dublin Road, Carrick-on-Shannon
Wednesday 4th July at 6.30pm

Harlequin Hotel, Lannagh Road, Castlebar
Thursday 5th July at 9.30am

It appears that a similar meeting in Cork in April had a LARGE bearing on the new transmitters announced for that area last week. Any reception issues NOT raised at those two meetings did not happen!



Then the Saorview staff are off to the countryside to meet with their people!

Bonniconlon Show: Monday 06th August 2012 (TBC)
Tullamore Show: Sunday 12th August
Virginia Agricultural Show: Wednesday 22nd August
National Ploughing Championships ( Wexford) September

The Cush

The Cush wrote: »

Going Digital switchover presentation to members of the Oireachtas at Leinster House today

The Cush wrote: »

New sites to be switched on in early Oct

The report on the Going Digital/Saorview switchover presentation to Oireachtas members at Leinster House on June 21st last states that 59 of the 64 sites have been upgraded for Saorview. Why are they waiting until October 1st for them to go live?

RTÉNL gave the technical background to SAORVIEW and SAORSAT. They also provided information on coverage around the country. Did you know….

- 59 analogue transmission sites have been upgraded to provide SAORVIEW coverage
- There are 5 new transmission sites
- In excess of 98% of the population is covered
- The new digital mast at Mullaghanish on the Cork/Kerry border is taller than the Dublin Spire

RTÉ Networks Limited also spoke to the Deputies about their ongoing work in upgrading other sites around the country. On the day, they announced that additional sites in West Cork, Waterford, Kerry, Clare. Louth and Donegal are being upgraded to digital and will be live from October 1st. This is great news for all the people in these areas as they prepare to go digital. If you want to see if you are covered by SAORVIEW please go to their coverage checker at the following link www.saorview.ie. If you have would like to find out more information on SAORSAT, please click here

http://www.goingdigital.ie/Info/News/Digital+switchover+presentation+to+members+of+the+Oireachtas.htm

marno21

The Cush wrote: »

The report on the Going Digital/Saorview switchover presentation to Oireachtas members at Leinster House on June 21st last states that 59 of the 64 sites have been upgraded for Saorview. Why are they waiting until October 1st for them to go live?

And also, if there's 8 of the new sites done already, surely they knew about the extra ones when they were still going about with their "go away and get Saorsat" message to the residents of west Cork up until two/three weeks ago?

Sponge Bob

I see the 'new' relays are below ch50 and potential 4g interference ...so far.

The Cush

Sponge Bob wrote: »

I see the 'new' relays are below ch50 and potential 4g interference ...so far.

Have they published the frequencies for the 9 new sites announced at the end of June yet?

marno21

I'm assuming he's referring to the March 2012 announced relays at Glenties, Bandon, Greenore and Dingle.

However, there's a simple reason why none of them will be transmitting DTT on channels over 50, neither of them are Group C/D. They're all transmitting (or will be) on their unused TV3 allocation.

Of the transmitters to come, Ennistymon, Rosscarbery, Kilaloe, Kilmacthomas transmit analog in Group C/D.

Mt. Gabriel is Group A, Clonmany, Leap and Drimoleague are Group B, and Timoleague is not in the RTE analog transmitters document (it's self help I assume), and has allocations on C30 and C34, but I'm not sure what it's actually using.

The Cush

marno21 wrote: »

However, there's a simple reason why none of them will be transmitting DTT on channels over 50, neither of them are Group C/D. They're all transmitting (or will be) on their unused TV3 allocation.

Only 2 of the sites are using their TV3 allocations that I can see but are in the same aerial groups

Site|Mux 1|TV3 allocation
Glenties| 46| 46
Bandon| 47| 47|
Greenore| 43| 47
Dingle| 30| 29
Greenore was previously allocated Ch 47 for DTT but is now on Ch 43

marno21 wrote: »

Of the transmitters to come, Ennistymon, Rosscarbery, Kilaloe, Kilmacthomas transmit analog in Group C/D.

Mt. Gabriel is Group A, Clonmany, Leap and Drimoleague are Group B, and Timoleague is not in the RTE analog transmitters document (it's self help I assume), and has allocations on C30 and C34, but I'm not sure what it's actually using.

Timoleague is Group A and was allocated Ch 26 for DTT previously.

Drimoleague was previously allocated Ch 35 for DTT
Kilmacthomas was previously allocated Ch 51 for DTT
Leap was previously allocated Ch 37 for DTT

marno21

The Cush wrote: »

Only 2 of the sites are using their TV3 allocations that I can see but are in the same aerial groups

Site|Mux 1|TV3 allocation
Glenties| 46| 46
Bandon| 47| 47|
Greenore| 43| 47
Dingle| 30| 29Greenore was previously allocated Ch 47 for DTT but is now on Ch 43



Timoleague is Group A and was allocated Ch 26 for DTT previously.

Drimoleague was previously allocated Ch 35 for DTT
Kilmacthomas was previously allocated Ch 51 for DTT
Leap was previously allocated Ch 37 for DTT

1 channel off for Dingle and only a few channels off for Greenore, I was close :P

The allocations all fit within their aerial group for analog, so I assume that Rosscarbery, Kilaloe and Ennistymon will all get Group C/D allocations.

Sam Russell

marno21 wrote: »

And also, if there's 8 of the new sites done already, surely they knew about the extra ones when they were still going about with their "go away and get Saorsat" message to the residents of west Cork up until two/three weeks ago?

Like the Three Rock frequency change they have not announced yet but scheduled for the 10th July.:mad:

Its a good job most aerial installers in Dublin have installed group A aerials as no-one around here watches Ch4.

marno21

Sam Russell wrote: »

Like the Three Rock frequency change they have not announced yet but scheduled for the 10th July.:mad:

Its a good job most aerial installers in Dublin have installed group A aerials as no-one around here watches Ch4.

I'm not so sure if there'll be that many problems.

Southsiders with Group C/D aerials will mostly be ok with the massively powerful DTT signal from Three Rock.

Northsiders will still be able to receive from Kippure mostly.

Anyone with Group A/W will obviously have no problem.

pegasuspub

both drimoleague and leap transposers were transmitting dtt on 35 and 37 along time ago,the transmissions only lasted for a few weeks im sorry to say but at least common sense has prevailed finally.

marno21

Slightly OT but this thread seems a little close.

RTENL previously tendered for a DTT relay to cover Killarney, and after searching, I can't find where it was to be located. The most likely places to site it are with the Radio Kerry and Spin SW transmitters up in Tullig, at the Headford relay near Lough Guitane which covers some of the town, the MMDS beambender which is somewhere on the southern side of the town or a new site.

Anyone know?

MarkK

Is it on the coverage map?

http://www.saorview.ie/make-the-switch/coverage-map/

marno21

MarkK wrote: »

Is it on the coverage map?

http://www.saorview.ie/make-the-switch/coverage-map/

I forgot to mention in the previous post that it was removed from the 2010 planned rollout and was never enabled

The Cush

marno21 wrote: »

RTENL previously tendered for a DTT relay to cover Killarney, and after searching, I can't find where it was to be located. The most likely places to site it are with the Radio Kerry and Spin SW transmitters up in Tullig, at the Headford relay near Lough Guitane which covers some of the town, the MMDS beambender which is somewhere on the southern side of the town or a new site.

Anyone know?

According to the Easy TV commercial DTT application, which included RTÉ, it was to be located at the Plaza Hotel (Site co-ords 96534E, 90624N).

marno21

The Cush wrote: »

According to the Easy TV commercial DTT application, which included RTÉ, it was to be located at the Plaza Hotel (Site co-ords 96534E, 90624N).

Thanks for that The Cush . Would've made sense for it to be up in Tullig as that would've sorted other nearby blackspots but Killarney has surprisingly good coverage of Saorview.

The only spot of bother is out on the Cork road (tiny square), but I'd say it won't be a problem. The majority of the houses in there have 3 aerials (2x side by side VHF and 1 big long UHF) which will hopefully pull in adaquete Saorview.

Anyway, back to the topic.

marno21

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=79602079&postcount=431

Works at 3 of the new announced sites this week, likely related to Saorview rollout.

The Cush

The Cush wrote: »

The report on the Going Digital/Saorview switchover presentation to Oireachtas members at Leinster House on June 21st last states that 59 of the 64 sites have been upgraded for Saorview. Why are they waiting until October 1st for them to go live?

Confirmation in a Dáil reply recently that the new sites will go live on October 1st

Broadcasting Services
Tuesday, 3 July 2012

406. Deputy Michael McCarthy

asked the Minister for Communications, Energy and Natural Resources if he will list the remaining sites in west Cork which are being dropped from the existing analogue system and which to date still do not have access to digital transmission; the position regarding Saorview or Saorsat in areas (details supplied); and if he will make a statement on the matter.

Minister for Communications, Energy and Natural Resources (Deputy Pat Rabbitte): ...

As you are aware, RTÉNL gave a presentation at a special briefing I arranged for Oireachtas members on 21st June 2012. During this briefing the differences between analogue and digital terrestrial transmission were explained, for example, digital uses fewer transmission sites but higher transmission power. Also the fact that it is not possible to provided 100% coverage of digital terrestrial television was explained.

At the same presentation, RTÉNL indicated that SAORVIEW coverage will be further enhanced by the addition of a number of new transmitter sites, including areas of West Cork such as Leap, Bandon, Timoleague, Rosscarbery, Drimoleague, and Mount Gabriel. These sites will be live from October 1st 2012. Further information on coverage is available on the SAORVIEW coverage checker on www.saorview.ie .

Sponge Bob

marno21 wrote: »

I forgot to mention in the previous post that it was removed from the 2010 planned rollout and was never enabled

It was part of an early 2009 tender . I bolded the ones that simply disappeared afterwards. Damned if I know what they were up to.

Arklow 21 24 27 32 V
Suir Valley 52 56 60 66 V and 53 57 63 Analogue
Forth Mountain 52 56 60 66 V
Gallows Hill 22 25 28 32 V
Drogheda 21 24 27 31 V
Tonabrocky 23 26 29 33 V
Tipperary 23 26 29 33 V
Killarney 41 44 47 51 V
Navan 22 25 28 32 H
Skerries 22 25 28 32 V
Loughrea 37 39 42 45 V
Árainn Mhór 41 44 45 47 V and 39 42 49 Analogue
Letterkenny 53 57 60 63 V and 52 56 68 Analogue

Sponge Bob

Source in equipment supplier indicates that no further tramsnitters will be enabled in 2012 but that RTENL have indicated to them that they will probably launch 5 transmitters in 2013.

Skull Murphy

That doesn't make any sense: are people in the affected areas supposed to rely on Saorsat in the meantime or just do without? (Or, God forbid, they leave analogue running.)

Going by this forum, there already seem to be installers who jumped the gun where Saorsat is concerned & carried out consumer installations even before minimum dish sizes had been confirmed, so there's clearly interest in the service.

Ah well, it's comforting to know that the whole thing was "planned" as well as anything ever is in this country. I mean, I thought the whole point of a plan was to allow for every eventuality, including political pressure, so you don't have to backtrack later on. Having said that, it's foolish to try & take something away that people have got used to, like terrestrial tv coverage.

Ronnie Raygun

Skull Murphy wrote: »

That doesn't make any sense

This is RTE we're talking about; any prediction of what they're likely to do next has a good chance of coming true, even if it's only plucked out of thin air.

The Cush

The Cush wrote: »

Confirmation in a Dáil reply recently that the new sites will go live on October 1st

Not all sites will live by Oct 1st it appears, this from Saorview on facebook

RTÉNL have told us that they now have the equipment and they are expecting the new masts to be built in the first week of October. As soon as we have any more definite dates we will post on facebook and the website.

http://www.facebook.com/saorview/posts/389778247758867

marno21

New masts? I don't see what's wrong with the current masts at Bandon, Rosscarbery and Leap. Admittedly the one at Timoleague is only a pole, and I've never seen Drimoleague. Is the Mt Gabriel TX still just UHF panels stuck to the outside of the radar building?

If the sites at Rosscarbery, Leap and Bandon are ready they should be on the air and allow users to switch. RTENL have had ample time to build new masts and they shouldn't be at this craic "building new masts" three weeks before switchover.

The Cush

marno21 wrote: »

New masts? I don't see what's wrong with the current masts at Bandon, Rosscarbery and Leap. Admittedly the one at Timoleague is only a pole, and I've never seen Drimoleague. Is the Mt Gabriel TX still just UHF panels stuck to the outside of the radar building?

If the sites at Rosscarbery, Leap and Bandon are ready they should be on the air and allow users to switch. RTENL have had ample time to build new masts and they shouldn't be at this craic "building new masts" three weeks before switchover.

Maybe they mean upgrading/installing DTT equipment at the existing sites.

The Cush

Updated list of DTT sites, Saorview Frequencies rev. 2.3
Frequencies added for the last 9 new DTT sites.

Main Sites

• Cairn Hill Longford 47H
• Clermont Carn Louth 53V
• Dungarvan Waterford 55H
• Holywell Hill Donegal 30H
• Kippure Wicklow 54H
• Maghera Clare 48H
• Mount Leinster Carlow 45H
• Mullaghanish Cork 21H
• Spur Hill Cork 45H
• Three Rock Dublin 54H
• Truskmore Sligo 53H
• Woodcock Hill Clare (Limerick) 47H

Relay/Transposer Sites

• Achill Mayo 47V
• Arklow Wicklow 21V
• Arranmore Donegal 47V
• Ballybofey Donegal 47V
• Bantry Cork 52H&V
• Cahir Tipperary Sth. 28V
• Casla (RnaG) Galway 45V
• Castlebar Mayo 22H
• Castletownbere Kerry 55V
• Clifden Galway 26V
• Clonakilty Cork 48H
• Clonmel Waterford 55H
• Cnoc an Oir Kerry 47V
• Collins Barracks Cork 50V
• Crosshaven Cork 46V
• Dooncarton Belmullet, Mayo 27H&V
• Fanad Donegal 55V
• Fermoy Cork 52V
• Ferrypoint Waterford 47V
• Forth Mountain Wexford 52V
• Gallows Hill (Rathfadden) Waterford (City) 22V
• Glanmire Cork 47H
• Glencolmcille Donegal 45H
• Gorey Wexford 55H
• Greystones Wicklow 52V
• Kilduff Tipperary Nth. 52H
• Kilkeaveragh Kerry 47V
• Kinsale Cork 30V
• Knockmoyle Kerry 52V
• Laragh Wicklow 47H
• Letterkenny Donegal 53V
• Maamclassach Kerry 46V
• Magheraroarty Donegal 22V
• Malin Donegal 28H
• Mitchelstown Cork 40V
• Monaghan (Lugad) Monaghan 55H
• Moville Donegal 45H
• Suir Valley Waterford 52V
• Tonabrocky Galway 26V

Relay Sites to be added in 2012

• Bandon Cork 47H
  
• Dingle Kerry 30V
• Glenties Donegal 46H
• Greenore Louth 43V
• Mount Gabriel Cork 37H & V
• Leap Cork 44H (currently used for analogue RTÉ2)
• Rosscarbery Cork 57H (currently used for analogue RTÉ2)
• Drimoleague Cork 42V (currently used for analogue RTÉ2)
• Timoleague Cork 29V (currently used for analogue RTÉ1)
• Kilmacthomas Waterford 46V (outside of existing analogue Group C/D aerial)
• Ballina/Killaloe Clare 58V (currently used for analogue RTÉ2)
• Ennistymon Clare 58H (currently used for analogue RTÉ2)
• Clonmany Donegal 49V (currently used for analogue TG4)

Green = On-Air (24 May 2011) - 51 sites
Blue = Planned for Oct 2012 - 13 sites

marno21

Frequencies at Rosscarbery, Clonmany, Leap, Killaloe, Ennistymon, Drimoleague are currently in use by analogue services (mainly RTE Two).

Looks like Oct 24th or after for these sites.

Antenna

marno21 wrote: »

Frequencies at Rosscarbery, Clonmany, Leap, Killaloe, Ennistymon, Drimoleague are currently in use by analogue services (mainly RTE Two).

Looks like Oct 24th or after for these sites.

They might temporarily move the analogue channel concerned to the never used TV3 allocation at those sites. Or discontinue TG4 and move the RTE channel to TG4's channel . A scenario of only analogue TV available up to such a date, and then only digital the following day would be too much of a upheaval in those places, especially for the elderly.

marno21

Antenna wrote: »

They might temporarily move the analogue channel concerned to the never used TV3 allocation at those sites. Or discontinue TG4 and move the RTE channel to TG4's channel . A scenario of only analogue TV available up to such a date, and then only digital the following day would be too much of a upheaval in those places, especially for the elderly.

Makes you wonder why they just don't broadcast the digital mux on the unused TV3 allocation

The Cush

The Cush wrote: »

Relay Sites to be added in 2012

• Bandon Cork 47H
  
• Dingle Kerry 30V
• Glenties Donegal 46H
• Greenore Louth 43V
• Mount Gabriel Cork 37H & V
• Leap Cork 44H (currently used for analogue RTÉ2)
• Rosscarbery Cork 57H (currently used for analogue RTÉ2)
• Drimoleague Cork 42V (currently used for analogue RTÉ2)
• Timoleague Cork 29V (currently used for analogue RTÉ1)
• Kilmacthomas Waterford 46V (outside of existing analogue Group C/D aerial)
• Ballina/Killaloe Clare 58V (currently used for analogue RTÉ2)
• Ennistymon Clare 58H (currently used for analogue RTÉ2)
• Clonmany Donegal 49V (currently used for analogue TG4)

Bandon
SAORVIEW will go live from the Bandon transposer on or before 1st October.

Dingle
SAORVIEW will go live from the Dingle transposer on or before 1st October.

Glenties
SAORVIEW will go live from the Glenties transposer on or before 1st October.

Greenore
SAORVIEW will go live from the Greenore transposer on or before 1st October

Mount Gabriel
SAORVIEW will go live from the Mount Gabriel transposer on or before 1st October.

Leap
SAORVIEW will go live from the Leap transposer some time between 24th September and 1st October. In order to facilitate the switch on of SAORVIEW, the RTÉ Two Analogue service will cease operating on the same day as SAORVIEW goes live. The other analogue channels will remain on air until 24th October.

Rosscarbery
SAORVIEW will go live from the Rosscarbery transposer some time between 24th September and 1st October. In order to facilitate the switch on of SAORVIEW, the RTÉ Two Analogue service will cease operating on the same day as SAORVIEW goes live. The other analogue channels will remain on air until 24th October.

Drimoleague
SAORVIEW will go live from the Drimoleague transposer some time between 24th September and 1st October. In order to facilitate the switch on of SAORVIEW, the RTÉ Two Analogue service will cease operating on the same day as SAORVIEW goes live. The other analogue channels will remain on air until 24th October.

Timoleague
SAORVIEW will go live from the Timoleague transposer some time between 24th September and 1st October. In order to facilitate the switch on of SAORVIEW, the RTÉ One Analogue service will cease operating on the same day as SAORVIEW goes live. The other analogue channels will remain on air until 24th October.

Kilmacthomas
SAORVIEW will go live from from the Kilmacthomas transposer on or before 1st October.

Ballina/Killaloe
SAORVIEW will go live from the Ballina/Killaloe transposer some time between 24th September and 1st October. In order to facilitate the switch on of SAORVIEW, the RTÉ Two Analogue service will cease operating on the same day as SAORVIEW goes live. The other analogue channels will remain on air until 24th October.

Ennistymon
SAORVIEW will go live from the Ennistymon transposer some time between 24th September and 1st October. In order to facilitate the switch on of SAORVIEW, the RTÉ Two Analogue service will cease operating on the same day as SAORVIEW goes live. The other analogue channels will remain on air until 24th October.

Clonmany
SAORVIEW will go live from the Clonmany transposer some time between 24th September and 1st October. In order to facilitate the switch on of SAORVIEW, the TG4 Analogue service will cease operating on the same day as SAORVIEW goes live. The other analogue channels will remain on air until 24th October.

marno21

Thanks for the info Cush

As a matter of interest, is it published somewhere?