List of Transposers/Relays upgraded to DTT?

The Cush

lawhec wrote: »

There's also the issue of TG4 at Moville on E50, where Limavady plans to use that frequency to broadcast the BBC A Multiplex two weeks prior to ASO in the Republic. Surely Ofcom & Comreg hasn't overlooked that bit? I'll need to double check but I wonder if there are other temporary frequency clashes along the border which could prove chaotic for NI viewers retuning after both stages of DSO, giving morning headaches but a "solution" by afternoon?

lawhec wrote: »

What's interesting up there is that on the northern first stage on 10/10/12 Limavady will be shutting down BBC1 analogue and the current Mux1 on E67 with the new BBCA multiplex powering up on E50 - the same channel that Moville currently uses for TG4, which means potentially for two weeks that's gonna be a world of hurt! I suspect TG4 may be closed down early at Moville to prevent this. ARQ2 from Limavady will also be on E49, ruling this out at Moville also.

Spot on lawhec

Moville
SAORVIEW coverage is currently available in the Moville, Malin, Cross, Glengad and Mossy Glen areas. In order to fully power the SAORVIEW service in these areas, the Analogue service has to be switched off in two steps:
Step 1: TG4 Analogue services will be switched off on 9th October
Step 2: All other Analogue channels will be switched off on 24th October

The Cush

marno21 wrote: »

Thanks for the info Cush

As a matter of interest, is it published somewhere?

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Saorview-Tech-Trade/329691340422770

MarkK

The Cush wrote: »

Timoleague
SAORVIEW will go live from the Timoleague transposer some time between 24th September and 1st October. In order to facilitate the switch on of SAORVIEW, the RTÉ One Analogue service will cease operating on the same day as SAORVIEW goes live. The other analogue channels will remain on air until 24th October.

Thanks Cush.

Interesting that they are shutting off RTE 1 in one case.
I would have expected them might have shunted RTE 1 analogue over to the RTE 2 analogue frequency rather than take away the main national station.

The Cush

MarkK wrote: »

Interesting that they are shutting off RTE 1 in one case.
I would have expected them might have shunted RTE 1 analogue over to the RTE 2 analogue frequency rather than take away the main national station.

That would've been my guess too.

marclt

It's all getting a little bit messy and still we have this situation in some areas where 10am is the analogue switch off, and we're not sure how/when the final digital signal will happen.

There needs to be a co-ordinated, well publicised re-tune event or people are going to end up confused! We now have a series of switchoff events involving RTE1/2 with very little notice. Admittedly they are at low power sites but it doesn't bode well.

#messy !

The Cush

marclt wrote: »

It's all getting a little bit messy and still we have this situation in some areas where 10am is the analogue switch off, and we're not sure how/when the final digital signal will happen.

For most Saorview viewers the 10.00am ASO on Oct 24th will pass unnoticed, there will be no change to DTT channels or erp that day. Sometime after that date there will be the retunes at Mt Leinster/Clermont Carn, they may give a day or two notice before it happens - maybe

Inishowen

When the analogue transmitter at Cross, Quigley’s Point, Co. Donegal closes there are around 30 houses in the valley with nothing. No Malin, Moville or Limavady and Inishowen is outside the Saorsat footprint. All that’s available is Sky or Freesat. Any chance of an upgrade here?

lucernarian

Inishowen wrote: »

When the analogue transmitter at Cross, Quigley’s Point, Co. Donegal closes there are around 30 houses in the valley with nothing. No Malin, Moville or Limavady and Inishowen is outside the Saorsat footprint. All that’s available is Sky or Freesat. Any chance of an upgrade here?

Why would you think Inishowen itself is out of the range of Saorsat? Sure people are picking it up in Wales and also in Larne in NI. At least, with a dish that's slightly bigger than the typical ones.

MarkK

Inishowen wrote: »

Inishowen is outside the Saorsat footprint.

That's not true.

See page 14 of the Saorsat FAQ
http://www.rtenl.ie/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/RT%C3%89NL-SAORSAT-FAQs-June-2012-Rev-2.0.pdf

Inishowen needs a 100cm dish.
It's outside the footprint of the area than can use a 80cm dish, but it can get it with a larger dish.

Sponge Bob

Inishowen wrote: »

When the analogue transmitter at Cross, Quigley’s Point, Co. Donegal closes there are around 30 houses in the valley with nothing.

Does RTE own that transmitter or do the locals own it???

STB

Inishowen wrote: »

When the analogue transmitter at Cross, Quigley’s Point, Co. Donegal closes there are around 30 houses in the valley with nothing. No Malin, Moville or Limavady and Inishowen is outside the Saorsat footprint. All that’s available is Sky or Freesat. Any chance of an upgrade here?

Moville Saorview is on limited power at present. They will be on 2kw from after ASO. Perhaps that may help.

sesswhat

Bandon reported to be live now.

marno21

Also live on coverage checker, but still red patches.

Will RTENL update coverage to expand the coverage area from the relays? For example, parts of the town may have previously been recpommened Mullaghanish, but now receive stronger signal from the relay.

The Cush

The Cush wrote: »

Kilmacthomas
SAORVIEW will go live from from the Kilmacthomas transposer on or before 1st October.

Kilmacthomas Ch.46V now on-air according to the Saorview coverage checker, 11 sites remaining.

The Cush

The Cush wrote: »

Dingle
SAORVIEW will go live from the Dingle transposer on or before 1st October.

Glenties
SAORVIEW will go live from the Glenties transposer on or before 1st October.

Dingle (Ch.30V) and Glenties (Ch.46H) now on-air according to the Saorview coverage checker. 9 sites remaining.

formerly scottish paddy

The Cush wrote: »

Dingle (Ch.30V) and Glenties (Ch.46H) now online according to the Saorview coverage checker.

That must have been a bit of a drive for the engineers!

marno21

Clonmany (49V) and Mount Gabriel (37HV) now live according to coverage checker.

The Cush

marno21 wrote: »

Clonmany (49V) and Mount Gabriel (37HV) now live according to coverage checker.

I assume analogue TG4 is gone from Clonmany.

The Cush wrote: »

Clonmany
SAORVIEW will go live from the Clonmany transposer some time between 24th September and 1st October. In order to facilitate the switch on of SAORVIEW, the TG4 Analogue service will cease operating on the same day as SAORVIEW goes live. The other analogue channels will remain on air until 24th October.

marno21

Any chance there's two crews working, one crew did Glenties this morning and Clonmany this evening, and the other did Dingle this morning and Mount Gabriel this evening? Perhaps Greenore will come on in the morning and some of the west Cork sites.

The Cush

The Cush wrote: »

Greenore
SAORVIEW will go live from the Greenore transposer on or before 1st October

Greenore (Ch.43V) now on air according to the coverage checker. 6 sites remaining, all requiring either RTÉ1 or 2 analogue to be switched off.

roverdublin

marno21 wrote: »

Clonmany (49V) and Mount Gabriel (37HV) now live according to coverage checker.

Mount Gabriel is now really live . I got this message from somebody who tuned in his Saorview receiver right now.

More Music

Dingle was switched on Tuesday evening.

They have different engineering crews working in Donegal and Kerry.

Dingle is covered by the South-West team working out of Mullaghanish.

The Cush

More Music wrote: »

Dingle was switched on Tuesday evening.

They have different engineering crews working in Donegal and Kerry.

Dingle is covered by the South-West team working out of Mullaghanish.

Any of the remaining 6 Munster sites on-air but not updated on the Saorview coverage checker?

pegasuspub

analogue mount gabriel was off air for a few hours on two days this week before dtt started,dont know what the eirp is,i wonder is at the same level as analogue was at 1kw.i was told that the drimoleague transposer is ready to go and will be active on monday,analogue rte 2 is being left on for the match on sunday and after that the same freguency as analogue rte 2 ch42 will carry the dtt mux,this info was not from an official source .

The Cush

pegasuspub wrote: »

i was told that the drimoleague transposer is ready to go and will be active on monday,analogue rte 2 is being left on for the match on sunday and after that the same freguency as analogue rte 2 ch42 will carry the dtt mux,this info was not from an official source .

That seems logical, not being able to watch the Hurling Final on Sunday in parts of Clare and Cork would be unforgivable. 5 of the remaing 6 transmitters are switching off analogue RTÉ2 and replacing it with the DTT mux (the sixth, Timoleague is switching off RTÉ1). Any household not already having a Saorview receiver should be able to pick one up in a local retailer during the week, plug and play and no messing around with aerials.

•Leap Cork 44H (currently used for analogue RTÉ2)
•Rosscarbery Cork 57H (currently used for analogue RTÉ2)
•Drimoleague Cork 42V (currently used for analogue RTÉ2)
•Timoleague Cork 29V (currently used for analogue RTÉ1)
•Ballina/Killaloe Clare 58V (currently used for analogue RTÉ2)
•Ennistymon Clare 58H (currently used for analogue RTÉ2)

Sponge Bob

The Cush wrote: »

not being able to watch the Hurling Final on Sunday in parts of Clare and Cork would be unforgivable.

You are nearly always correct Cush but west Cork and west Clare are football country so it would have been unforgiveable for a Clare - Cork final 2 weeks back.

Only unfortunate this weekend.

Peter Rhea

All transmitters showing green now on the coverage checker.

The Cush

Peter Rhea wrote: »

All transmitters showing green now on the coverage checker.

Saorview press release

New SAORVIEW Sites are Live

We are delighted to announce that all 13 new SAORVIEW sites are now up and running.

In order to begin transmitting SAORVIEW, 7 of the new sites had to cease transmitting one of the analogue channels. Details are as follows:

Clonmany, Co. Donegal – TG4 has been switched off on analogue
Drimoleague, Co. Cork – RTÉ Two has been switched off on analogue
Leap, Co. Cork – RTÉ Two has been switched off on analogue
Timoleague, Co. Cork – RTÉ One has been switched off on analogue
Rosscarbery, Co. Cork – RTÉ Two has been switched off on analogue
Ballina, Co. Tipperary – RTÉ Two has been switched off on analogue
Ennistymon, Co. Clare – RTÉ Two has been switched off on analogue

At the remaining 6 new sites, SAORVIEW transmission has not affected analogue services, which will be switched off on the 24th October along with the rest of the country. These sites are:

Bandon, Co. Cork
Greenore, Co. Louth
Dingle, Co. Kerry
Glenties, Co. Donegal
Kilmacthomas, Co. Waterford
Mount Gabriel, Co. Cork

http://www.saorview.ie/news/new-saorview-sites-are-live/

Sam Russell

So the first analogue transmitters have been shut down.

Roll on the 24th October.

The Cush

Sam Russell wrote: »

So the first analogue transmitters have been shut down.

Roll on the 24th October.

2 analogue channels continue to broadcast from those transmitters.

Peter Rhea

Sam Russell wrote: »

So the first analogue transmitters have been shut down.

TG4 disappeared from Monaghan 3 months ago. I made a few half-hearted attempts to find out why, but got nowhere. I didn't exactly miss the service, or know anyone that does, but was curious as to whether it was an equipment failure or maybe to make way for testing 4G mobile stuff, as it was on ch. 64. But maybe we're a bit close to the border for that kind of thing.

Sam Russell

The Cush wrote: »

2 analogue channels continue to broadcast from those transmitters.

Peter Rhea wrote: »

TG4 disappeared from Monaghan 3 months ago. I made a few half-hearted attempts to find out why, but got nowhere. I didn't exactly miss the service, or know anyone that does, but was curious as to whether it was an equipment failure or maybe to make way for testing 4G mobile stuff, as it was on ch. 64. But maybe we're a bit close to the border for that kind of thing.

Yes, but it is the first time that an analogue transmitter has been officially decommissioned as part of the shut down. The Monaghan one may have been an untimely fault that no-one noticed.

The Cush

Sam Russell wrote: »

Yes, but it is the first time that an analogue transmitter has been officially decommissioned as part of the shut down. The Monaghan one may have been an untimely fault that no-one noticed.

Not decommisioned yet, just 1 of the 3 analogue channels converted to DTT.

I guess you'd call it ASO Stage 1.

No Freeview From Limavady

Seen Web link on Highland Radio News Motion
http://www.highlandradio.com/2012/09/26/inishowen-saorview-signal-problems-aired-in-the-dail/

Same issue applies here in Speenogue Burt At moment with Digital Signal Coming from Limavady Transmitter cannot get Signal at all.

Have sent emails to [email]northernireland@digitaluk.co.ukrussell.keene@digitaluk.co.uk[/email]

I have been in contact with all Media Organisations UTV.BBC,RTE about this same issue as this is the broadcasters area and have a vested interested that we get a good picture after digital switchover from both sides of the border under the Good Friday Agreement.

Would you be able to find out who runs and operates TV mast at Limvady Co. Derry and weathers assurances can be got that residents who live in Border Areas I.E. Burt Co.Donegal who have always got a picture from this tranmitter will still remain get picture from Limvady after switchover.

Ronnie Raygun

The UK transmitter operators don't have any obligation to provide coverage in ROI & you should stop replicating your post in other threads.

No Freeview From Limavady

Ronnie Raygun escuse me i am only looking for an answer to my question are you judge and jury?

Excuse me ronnie uk transmitter operators in fact do have an obligation cross-border agreement was signed north/south,think you need to check your facts out before posting on here!

just because i live on the border does not mean tv broadcasts stop at the border,tranmissions singals do cross borders overspill dont you know

Ronnie Raygun

Switchover at Limavady starts a week from now (Oct. 10). Try a manual tune on channel 50 for the BBC channels.

The cross border agreements you speak of are a one-way thing that lets RTE/TG4 into the north. The BBC & UTV don't give a crap about southern terrestrial coverage: as you say yourself, it's just overspill from their own service area.

No Freeview From Limavady

Always have received TV siginal from Limavady but cannot get Freeview and have built in freeview TV

Ronnie Raygun

Try again for Freeview in a week, the existing service is very low powered in comparison to after switchover. It's not long to wait & pretty stupid to be kicking up a fuss at this stage.

No Freeview From Limavady

Thank you for the advice Ronnie,sorry only on here looking for advice as not that much into this DSO.will let you know how we get on after 10/10/12. Thanks Ronnie

The Cush

No Freeview From Limavady wrote: »

Excuse me ronnie uk transmitter operators in fact do have an obligation cross-border agreement was signed north/south,think you need to check your facts out before posting on here!

just because i live on the border does not mean tv broadcasts stop at the border,tranmissions singals do cross borders overspill dont you know

Ronnie is correct, they have no obligation to provide a signal into the Republic of Ireland. Lots of discussion on the MoU signed by the 2 governments almost 3 years ago here in the forum. As per the agreement RTÉ/TG4 have decided to transmit their channels from 3 transmitters in NI but the BBC have no plans to do likewise south of the border.

The overspill reception you receive at the moment has nothing to do with the agreement signed by the governments and happens because of the transmittters proximity to the border and you happen to be within the overspill coverage area. If they decided to restrict the signal in your direction there is nothing you can do about it.

No Freeview From Limavady wrote: »

Always have received TV siginal from Limavady but cannot get Freeview and have built in freeview TV

The Freeview transmitter is on low power at the moment, as Ronnie says above do a retune on the TV after 6am on Wed 10th Oct when analogue BBC2 gets switched off the the BBC digital mux (channels) go full power. This map indicates you will be within overspill Freeview coverage when it goes full power - http://www.ukfree.tv/shutdowndetail.php?tx=IC711296.

novice

tvman2 wrote: »

There are no DTT Tx panels directed North at the moment. RTENL will have to install additional ones or use the analogue ones after switchover. See attached picture

Anyone know if this has changed yet?
In Howth and can pick up Freeview from Divis almost perfectly for 4 of 6 MUXs, but can't pick up Saorview from SV, even if I rotate antenna to V polarization and point straight at CC (14 degrees west of Divis for me.)
Saorview power must be << analog power?

The Cush

novice wrote: »

Anyone know if this has changed yet?
In Howth and can pick up Freeview from Divis almost perfectly for 4 of 6 MUXs, but can't pick up Saorview from SV, even if I rotate antenna to V polarization and point straight at CC (14 degrees west of Divis for me.)
Saorview power must be << analog power?

On restricted power until Oct 24th, recent pictures here - http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=81022070

formerly scottish paddy

novice wrote: »

Anyone know if this has changed yet?
In Howth and can pick up Freeview from Divis almost perfectly for 4 of 6 MUXs, but can't pick up Saorview from SV, even if I rotate antenna to V polarization and point straight at CC (14 degrees west of Divis for me.)
Saorview power must be << analog power?

Should you not be using Three Rock?

The Cush

formerly scottish paddy wrote: »

Should you not be using Three Rock?

Some parts of Howth and N Co Dublin are covered by Clermont Carn

Peter Rhea

novice wrote: »

In Howth and can pick up Freeview from Divis almost perfectly for 4 of 6 MUXs, but can't pick up Saorview from SV, even if I rotate antenna to V polarization and point straight at CC (14 degrees west of Divis for me.)
Saorview power must be << analog power?

This with the aerial you use for Divis? What does analogue from CC look like from it?

Do you know if it's wideband or grouped? The Divis (group A) & CC (group C/D) channel groups are opposite ends of the UHF tv band.

Mr. Rabbit

Peter Rhea wrote: »

This with the aerial you use for Divis? What does analogue from CC look like from it?

Do you know if it's wideband or grouped? The Divis (group A) & CC (group C/D) channel groups are opposite ends of the UHF tv band.

Freeview from Divis currently requires a wideband aerial Peter, but from October 24th a group A should suffice.

Currently I have a slightly ghosty analogue picture from Divis, but Freeview is OK. I have no doubt it'll be fine once the power increases. My current aerial for Divis is a wideband one.

Peter Rhea

Mr. Rabbit wrote: »

Freeview from Divis currently requires a wideband aerial Peter, but from October 24th a group A should suffice.

I know that. The issue in this instance is the rx aerial being used, not what is being broadcast by the transmitter.

novice

Peter Rhea wrote: »

This with the aerial you use for Divis?
What does analogue from CC look like from it?
Do you know if it's wideband or grouped?
The Divis (group A) & CC (group C/D) channel groups are opposite ends of the UHF tv band.

Full wideband, with masthead amp. CC analogue is fine, even with aerial pointing to Divis and H polarisation.
I'm believe when CC drops analogue and moves digital to 52 - and ups power considerably - that I should be fine. Fingers crossed until 24th.
Maybe I'll have to get a separate grouped for CC because of the diffent polarisation, but I'm surprised it works so well for analogue.

The Cush

Analogue TG4 (Ch. 50) switching off at Moville at some point today before the BBC A mux launches at Limavady tomorrow morning

http://createsend.com/t/r-14B0241507191653