Perceived threat of paedophiles

gu10

its an ego thing

they are trying to delude themselves into thinking a paedophile would be even remotely interested in their ugly screaming mongrel of a child.

'omg this guy! he was constantly staring at my little Fiachra...' its a bit like girls and their "stalkers" except this time they are doing it through the child they pushed out.

Fittle

dotsman wrote: »

Ok, read most of this thread, but skipped the last bit (because I was so shocked that no-one had posted it yet), so apologies if this has been pointed out already.

There seems to be a dangerous misconception about men's toilets. By the age of 8, not only should the boy be going to the toilets in the men's, but more importantly, know how to go to the toilet in the men's.

You're worried that he might be seeing adult penises? One of the most important lessons in his life, and one he should have received a long time ago when first going to men's toilets is that you don't look at the other people.

From the age of 4/5 he should have been taught to approach the urinal, whip out the lad, pee, all while staring straight ahead. When finished, walk away, avoiding any sight of the man next to him, wash his hands, dry his hands and exit.

I seriously hope for his sake that you are not doing permanent damage to him. When exactly are you going to allow him to become a male? You do know he's going to be hitting puberty real soon? Are you going to remove the bubble wrap when he hits 10?, 13? 18? 21? If you want a daughter to go to the bathroom with you, have one, but ffs, let him be a boy.

And how could i have EVER taught him that when I have obviously never been in a mens toilet?
Ill teach him in the morning though, thanks.
And had his father been around to teach him this at 4/5, I wouldnt be on boards.ie when he's 8, arguing the toss with guys who seem annoyed at the fact that a random mother won't let her random 8yr old into a mans public toilet.

Fittle

gu10 wrote: »

its an ego thing

they are trying to delude themselves into thinking a paedophile would be even remotely interested in their ugly screaming mongrel of a child.

'omg this guy! he was constantly staring at my little Fiachra...' its a bit like girls and their "stalkers" except this time they are doing it through the child they pushed out.

That's just a very weird thing to say.

Wolfe Tone

I am just telling you how the very thing you are doing affected another little 8yo boy, thats all.

KittyeeTrix

I salute you Fittle for still arguing the point with the AH crowd:)

Not an easy task you've taken on girl!!!

Wolfe Tone

fluffyorganic1 wrote: »

I salute you Fittle for still arguing the point with the AH crowd:)

Not an easy task you've taken on girl!!!

Ohhh! Dont associate me with these plebs! :L

Im a politics guy!

KittyeeTrix

MUSSOLINI wrote: »

Ohhh! Dont associate me with these plebs! :L

Im a politics guy!

From bad to worse you've gone imo :D

*joking;)

falan

dotsman wrote: »

Ok, read most of this thread, but skipped the last bit (because I was so shocked that no-one had posted it yet), so apologies if this has been pointed out already.

There seems to be a dangerous misconception about men's toilets. By the age of 8, not only should the boy be going to the toilets in the men's, but more importantly, know how to go to the toilet in the men's.

You're worried that he might be seeing adult penises? One of the most important lessons in his life, and one he should have received a long time ago when first going to men's toilets is that you don't look at the other people.

From the age of 4/5 he should have been taught to approach the urinal, whip out the lad, pee, all while staring straight ahead. When finished, walk away, avoiding any sight of the man next to him, wash his hands, dry his hands and exit.

I seriously hope for his sake that you are not doing permanent damage to him. When exactly are you going to allow him to become a male? You do know he's going to be hitting puberty real soon? Are you going to remove the bubble wrap when he hits 10?, 13? 18? 21? If you want a daughter to go to the bathroom with you, have one, but ffs, let him be a boy.

+1 on the toilet etiquette!! Its universal and i think this needs to be explained by the OP or her brother to her son..

Fittle

Cheers fluffy!

I'm not a giver-upper! But I AM fcuking xhausted....nite!

KittyeeTrix

Fittle wrote: »

Cheers fluffy!

I'm not a giver-upper! But I AM fcuking xhausted....nite!

Good lord, I'm not surprised but you fought a good fight. I'd like to be able to take up the fight as another mother who takes her 8yr old son into the ladies with her but honestly I'm just not brave enough:D

Wolfe Tone

fluffyorganic1 wrote: »

Good lord, I'm not surprised but you fought a good fight. I'd like to be able to take up the fight as another mother who takes her 8yr old son into the ladies with her but honestly I'm just not brave enough:D

Well I hope you both took on board what I said.


For me it was damaging, hopfully it wont be for your little lads

T-Square

ElaElaElano wrote: »

On a similarish topic, I was on the bus recently and there was a girl with her son who was about 2 or 3. He kept waving and making faces at me, so I gave him a wave back...yer one had a fit, 'stop starin at me fúckin son you pervert'...now obviously you have to be vigilant and take precautions etc. etc. but there's such a thing as being over-paranoid.

I was taking a video of my child in the local playground,
and some scummer walked up and started telling me to stop recording.

I think this type of behaviour is only seen coming from the lower class.

Wolfe Tone

I have a story like that, I was walking my dog, a golden retriever. Kids love her, and always run over to give her a pet, she loves the attention too.

Anyway the little fella is rubbing the dog who is just sitting there(I have her well trained around kids, she is very gentle and just sits there) And the mother comes running out of the house asking what am I doing with her child, grabbed him by the arm and started dragging him back into the house crying, giving me dirty looks all the time!
The dog started barking at her then!

Some people eh...

caseyann

Everyone forgetting the macdonalds incident?

Personally i wouldnt let them in a toilet alone if small in size until they are about 13.Would make them go to bathroom before leaving.
Better to prevent imo.

Wolfe Tone

caseyann wrote: »

Everyone forgetting the macdonalds incident?

Personally i wouldnt let them in a toilet alone if small in size until they are about 13.Would make them go to bathroom before leaving.
Better to prevent imo.

Would you take them into the ladies toilet?

caseyann

MUSSOLINI wrote: »

Would you take them into the ladies toilet?

Yeah i would take them to the ladies if i had boys,its a silent agreement with women now as is when i see a woman in bathroom with a boy.Doesnt bother me or any other women.My friend sends her eldest into the bathroom with her youngest,if her eldest isnt with them,she brings him into ladies.

Wolfe Tone

Strange, if I had a daughter there would be no way I would bring her into a male toilet.

zuroph

a 13 year old not being let go to the loo on his own is ridiculous. he's in secondary school. can you imagine the shame if your mates found out?! I was expecting casey ann to turn up in this thread sooner or later though

zuroph

MUSSOLINI wrote: »

Strange, if I had a daughter there would be no way I would bring her into a male toilet.

especially if she was 13!! :eek:

Wolfe Tone

zuroph wrote: »

a 13 year old not being let go to the loo on his own is ridiculous. he's in secondary school. can you imagine the shame if your mates found out?! I was expecting casey ann to turn up in this thread sooner or later though

haha, the slagging would be IMMENSE, would last right through school.

storm2811

MUSSOLINI wrote: »

Strange, if I had a daughter there would be no way I would bring her into a male toilet.

Exactly.

Mickeroo

Whats the McDonalds incident?

CrazyRabbit

Fittle wrote: »

And how could i have EVER taught him that when I have obviously never been in a mens toilet?
Ill teach him in the morning though, thanks.
And had his father been around to teach him this at 4/5, I wouldnt be on boards.ie when he's 8, arguing the toss with guys who seem annoyed at the fact that a random mother won't let her random 8yr old into a mans public toilet.

'Annoyed' isn't the word I would use.

We're confused & concerned for your son (or any child treated in the same way).

There is a certain toilet etiquette that all guys need to learn. By keeping him in the women's toilets, you are preventing him from learning this. I wouldn't go so far as to say it's some kind of rites of passage though.

A parents job is not to protect their kids completely from the world, but to teach them how to handle anything the world throws at them, so that they mature into secure, 'normal' adults. I think many here feel that you are being too protective, without just cause, and not giving him a chance to 'grow up' in some way.

paddyland

I've been to work, and I'm home again, and I can't believe this thread is still going on, in the same vein!

Let's step back for a moment. I don't think the two mothers here who are arguing against the rest of the AH crew sound like bad mothers. In fact they are most likely good and dedicated mothers, doing their best, as they know how. And which toilet, male or female, that an 8 year old child is brought is not going to stop the world. The fuss that is being made of it is out of all proportion to the gravity of the problem.

But here's the rub. The very fact that the debate is being argued, raises the issue of the male of the species (let's be honest, it is primarily the male we are talking about) being guilty until proven innocent of being a potential paedophile. I find this so insulting and patronising. In this supposedly modern and informed age we live in, a man cannot talk to a child, touch a child, smile at a child, wave at a child, even look at a child, without feeling like he is under immediate accusation of a crime which is probably the single most horrendous and damaging outside of murder.

The paranoia surrounding the topic has long since made rational debate impossible. It is very easy to accuse someone rightfully or wrongly of paedophilia, for something as simple as smiling at a child on a bus. Yet such an accusation can follow a person for the rest of their lives, in their own hearts as well as before others. It is probably the single most heinous accusation for a person to carry. So it cannot be administered lightly.

And yet that is what happens. People make cursory accusations in the most mundane of circumstances, to the point where a man cannot be seen to interact at all with a strange child, in case he is labelled with the worst accusation that can be made against him. We are living in a cold and heartless world, when honest warmth and decency has to be put aside, because of a very tiny percentage of sick people who do not know how to control themselves.

When I see an argument about something as mundane as not letting children use male toilets, it reinforces the image that there is 'something' about men that cannot be trusted, and that all men have to be watched, just in case they have ulterior motives. Because of the existence of a very small percentage of sick minded people, every man stands accused until proven innocent. That makes it a very patronising and embarrassing world for the 99.9% of decent, ordinary guys, who would die inside at the thoughts of being accused of something so heinous.

That is why I think so many guys on here would rail at the argument being made. The very fact that the argument is being made demeans men, and highlights an oft inferred yet unspoken attitude that really has no place in a rational and decent world.

CrazyRabbit

paddyland wrote: »

I've been to work, and I'm home again, and I can't believe this thread is still going on, in the same vein!

Let's step back for a moment. I don't think the two mothers here who are arguing against the rest of the AH crew sound like bad mothers. In fact they are most likely good and dedicated mothers, doing their best, as they know how. And which toilet, male or female, that an 8 year old child is brought is not going to stop the world. The fuss that is being made of it is out of all proportion to the gravity of the problem.

But here's the rub. The very fact that the debate is being argued, raises the issue of the male of the species (let's be honest, it is primarily the male we are talking about) being guilty until proven innocent of being a potential paedophile. I find this so insulting and patronising. In this supposedly modern and informed age we live in, a man cannot talk to a child, touch a child, smile at a child, wave at a child, even look at a child, without feeling like he is under immediate accusation of a crime which is probably the single most horrendous and damaging outside of murder.

The paranoia surrounding the topic has long since made rational debate impossible. It is very easy to accuse someone rightfully or wrongly of paedophilia, for something as simple as smiling at a child on a bus. Yet such an accusation can follow a person for the rest of their lives, in their own hearts as well as before others. It is probably the single most heinous accusation for a person to carry. So it cannot be administered lightly.

And yet that is what happens. People make cursory accusations in the most mundane of circumstances, to the point where a man cannot be seen to interact at all with a strange child, in case he is labelled with the worst accusation that can be made against him. We are living in a cold and heartless world, when honest warmth and decency has to be put aside, because of a very tiny percentage of sick people who do not know how to control themselves.

When I see an argument about something as mundane as not letting children use male toilets, it reinforces the image that there is 'something' about men that cannot be trusted, and that all men have to be watched, just in case they have ulterior motives. Because of the existence of a very small percentage of sick minded people, every man stands accused until proven innocent. That makes it a very patronising and embarrassing world for the 99.9% of decent, ordinary guys, who would die inside at the thoughts of being accused of something so heinous.

That is why I think so many guys on here would rail at the argument being made. The very fact that the argument is being made demeans men, and highlights an oft inferred yet unspoken attitude that really has no place in a rational and decent world.

A poster here in boards very subtly stated he thought I was 'strange' because of my sig pic, and that I mentioned child porn in a post (in jest). A guy can't even help find a missing kid or make a joke without something thinking bad things about him....so I take your main point and completely agree with it.

Wolfe Tone

I agree with paddyland, but I think that the child not going into the males toilet etc and using the ladies instead can be damaging.

caseyann

zuroph wrote: »

a 13 year old not being let go to the loo on his own is ridiculous. he's in secondary school. can you imagine the shame if your mates found out?! I was expecting casey ann to turn up in this thread sooner or later though

Whats that meant to mean? Have you got some kind of personal problem with me?

CrazyRabbit

Mickeroo wrote: »

Whats the McDonalds incident?

If I recall, it was about a 7 year old child being orally raped in a McDonald whilst the parents sat just 20 feet away.

Very much a case of the child not being taught to scream out loud if put in any uncomfortable position or if approached by a stranger in the toilets.

I should also point out that this is one (albeit extremely disturbing) incident which can be put into perspective by considering how many hundreds of thousands of kids regularly use public toilets without incident. It really is a one-in-a-million.

Mickeroo

paddyland wrote: »

I've been to work, and I'm home again, and I can't believe this thread is still going on, in the same vein!

Let's step back for a moment. I don't think the two mothers here who are arguing against the rest of the AH crew sound like bad mothers. In fact they are most likely good and dedicated mothers, doing their best, as they know how. And which toilet, male or female, that an 8 year old child is brought is not going to stop the world. The fuss that is being made of it is out of all proportion to the gravity of the problem.

But here's the rub. The very fact that the debate is being argued, raises the issue of the male of the species (let's be honest, it is primarily the male we are talking about) being guilty until proven innocent of being a potential paedophile. I find this so insulting and patronising. In this supposedly modern and informed age we live in, a man cannot talk to a child, touch a child, smile at a child, wave at a child, even look at a child, without feeling like he is under immediate accusation of a crime which is probably the single most horrendous and damaging outside of murder.

The paranoia surrounding the topic has long since made rational debate impossible. It is very easy to accuse someone rightfully or wrongly of paedophilia, for something as simple as smiling at a child on a bus. Yet such an accusation can follow a person for the rest of their lives, in their own hearts as well as before others. It is probably the single most heinous accusation for a person to carry. So it cannot be administered lightly.

And yet that is what happens. People make cursory accusations in the most mundane of circumstances, to the point where a man cannot be seen to interact at all with a strange child, in case he is labelled with the worst accusation that can be made against him. We are living in a cold and heartless world, when honest warmth and decency has to be put aside, because of a very tiny percentage of sick people who do not know how to control themselves.

When I see an argument about something as mundane as not letting children use male toilets, it reinforces the image that there is 'something' about men that cannot be trusted, and that all men have to be watched, just in case they have ulterior motives. Because of the existence of a very small percentage of sick minded people, every man stands accused until proven innocent. That makes it a very patronising and embarrassing world for the 99.9% of decent, ordinary guys, who would die inside at the thoughts of being accused of something so heinous.

That is why I think so many guys on here would rail at the argument being made. The very fact that the argument is being made demeans men, and highlights an oft inferred yet unspoken attitude that really has no place in a rational and decent world.

nail.on.head.

I work with kids in the outdoors from time to time and you are exactly right. We live in an age where you have to take a 2 day course called child protection to tell you that paedophilia is wrong and you should report it. COMMON SENSE.

It's at the point where you can't even help a child who's struggling to get their bouyancy aid on without worrying. If a child falls over and hurts themselves we're scared to pick them up and dust them off. If you're on nightwatch in the dorms and a child comes out and asks you for a drink of water you have freak out because you're not allowed to be on your own with them. Even giving a child a lift home is taboo these days,. We're living in what's rapidly turning into a nanny state and it's sickening and wrong all because of the actions of a very very very VERY small minority and a very very very VERY negative media.

This is why I find an attitude like Fittle's so hard to fathom. Peope are constantly confusing perceived risk with actual risk.

paddyland

MUSSOLINI wrote: »

I agree with paddyland, but I think that the child not going into the males toilet etc and using the ladies instead can be damaging.

I agree with that point too. I do of course think it damages a child to a lesser or greater extent, depending on the individual circumstances. At the very least, it influences a child's future behaviour. But when someone makes a statement that they would rather take the chance on that influence or damage, than let a child alone near men (I think whether it is a public toilet, or a football field, or a bus, is beside the point myself), that brings the whole argument that men as a gender are somehow not to be trusted to the fore. An issue that I think needs to be debated, without the hysteria and paranoia that normally dogs the debate.

Mickeroo

CrazyRabbit wrote: »

If I recall, it was about a 7 year old child being orally raped in a McDonald whilst the parents sat just 20 feet away.

Very much a case of the child not being thought to scream out loud if put in any uncomfortable position or if approached by a stranger in the toilets.

I should also point out that this is one (albeit extremely disturbing) incident which can be put into perspective by considering how many hundreds of thousands of kids regularly use public toilets without incident. It really is a one-in-a-million.

Thats horrible. But you're right about it being one-in-a-million, these are not everyday occurences.

K-9

Fittle wrote: »

Out of interest, like I said earlier, when he's about 43:rolleyes:

I'll post on boards the first time I allow him in on his own Ok?

Personally, I can see why you don't let him at 8.

Thing is, I'd think a 9/10 year old is too old to be going into the ladies, especially at the swimming pool.

It is something you are going to have to get used to over the next year or so. I suppose the reason you are getting a reaction here is: it's mostly male posters here. We don't tend to sweat the small stuff. (Pun)

Wolfe Tone

Yes, defiantly. Men are scared to do anything at all with kids. Fall off their bike? Don't go near em. Look lost? Don't go near them. They wave at you? Look away.

KittyeeTrix

Thank you paddyland for your vote of confidence in my mothering skills!!! even if it is only to the best that I can manage.

Like I've said already I've 3 sons aged 8, 11 and 16. They would've gone to the ladies with me up until the age of 10 and thereafter alone to the gents with me standing outside. This said I must point out that they have used the gents whenever out with their dad so maybe my situation is a little different to Fittles.

I may be a little more aware or even more scared of the perceived dangers of sexual assaults as myself and my sister when aged 5 and 6 were taken from our front street by 2 lads only aged 16. Luckily my dad found us in the fields with these 2 lads with their pants down before anything had happened:(

So maybe I might be a little para on the threats out there but I'm not overly mental. I allow the 8 yr old to go to the gents with his 13 yr old or 16 yr old brother but I just couldn't let him go alone and tbh he's a sweet little thing who is easy going and has no qualms about going to the ladies with me when the need arises. I wouldn't make a show of him dragging him in if it was a big issue as I do understand that this would be more damaging to him in the long run than the miniscule chance of him being assaulted in the gents..

up for anything

MUSSOLINI wrote: »

It was until I was around 10.
And no, it is not bullsh*t.

Yes. That and changing rooms. If you took your son swimming would you let him into the male changing room?

The very fact that he doesnt know he is not going into male toilets is very telling. He believes it normal to go into the womans toilets.
So when he does eventually use mens toilets he is going to think it is weird, and uncomfortable, like I did.

How do you know this. What do you base it on? In my opinion it is about time you brought up the subject with your mother as it seems to have had such a profound effect on you. Perhaps it might help you with your problem.

zuroph wrote: »

You got an honest frank opinion from someone who has first-hand experience, and you mock their post. How very mature.

An honest, frank opinion from someone who is one in a million and is intent on telling the woman that her child will be ruined like him. It's just not true.

gu10 wrote: »

its an ego thing

they are trying to delude themselves into thinking a paedophile would be even remotely interested in their ugly screaming mongrel of a child.

'omg this guy! he was constantly staring at my little Fiachra...' its a bit like girls and their "stalkers" except this time they are doing it through the child they pushed out.

Girls and their "stalkers" - that whole post is very telling about you.

T-Square wrote: »

I was taking a video of my child in the local playground,
and some scummer walked up and started telling me to stop recording.

I think this type of behaviour is only seen coming from the lower class.

Lower class. :D:D

paddyland wrote: »

I've been to work, and I'm home again, and I can't believe this thread is still going on, in the same vein!

You don't hang around AH much do you?



Seeing as you're all here, could you tell me what toilet etiquette is in boys' secondary schools. One of mine is starting in September and I just need to make sure he has it straight.

Wolfe Tone

fluffyorganic1 wrote: »

Thank you paddyland for your vote of confidence in my mothering skills!!! even if it is only to the best that I can manage.

Like I've said already I've 3 sons aged 8, 11 and 16. They would've gone to the ladies with me up until the age of 10 and thereafter alone to the gents with me standing outside. This said I must point out that they have used the gents whenever out with their dad so maybe my situation is a little different to Fittles.

I may be a little more aware or even more scared of the perceived dangers of sexual assaults as myself and my sister when aged 5 and 6 were taken from our front street by 2 lads only aged 16. Luckily my dad found us in the fields with these 2 lads with their pants down before anything had happened:(

So maybe I might be a little para on the threats out there but I'm not overly mental. I allow the 8 yr old to go to the gents with his 13 yr old or 16 yr old brother but I just couldn't let him go alone and tbh he's a sweet little thing who is easy going and has no qualms about going to the ladies with me when the need arises. I wouldn't make a show of him dragging him in if it was a big issue as I do understand that this would be more damaging to him in the long run than the miniscule chance of him being assaulted in the gents..

Bloody hell. If I was your Dad I know what I would have done.

Mickeroo

up for anything wrote: »

Seeing as you're all here, could you tell me what toilet etiquette is in boys' secondary schools. One of mine is starting in September and I just need to make sure he has it straight.

first year eh? If it's anything like my secondary school he'll most likely have is head shoved into the toilet bowl at some point.

Wolfe Tone

up for anything wrote: »

How do you know this. What do you base it on? In my opinion it is about time you brought up the subject with your mother as it seems to have had such a profound effect on you. Perhaps it might help you with your problem.

I would not want to upset her. I don't want to blame her for any problems I have, it would devastate her. She is a great mother who loves me loads and always does her best. No doubt she thought nothing of it at the time.
I base it on personal experience.

An honest, frank opinion from someone who is one in a million and is intent on telling the woman that her child will be ruined like him. It's just not true.

Well thanks very ****ing much.

zuroph

up for anything wrote: »

An honest, frank opinion from someone who is one in a million and is intent on telling the woman that her child will be ruined like him. It's just not true.
.

whereas the chance of him being molested in the bathroom is much much longer odds. what he describes is more likely to happen than that.

Wolfe Tone

Mickeroo wrote: »

first year eh? If it's anything like my secondary school he'll most likely have is head shoved into the toilet bowl at some point.

And get shoved into the urinal i it is one of those trough ones.

zuroph

caseyann wrote: »

Whats that meant to mean? Have you got some kind of personal problem with me?

not at all, just that you love a good paedophile fear thread. How many abductions are we up to in Dublin now?

Mickeroo

MUSSOLINI wrote: »

And get shoved into the urinal i it is one of those trough ones.

ugh, thanfully we didn't have the trough ones and the toilets were generally flushed before the dunking.

KittyeeTrix

MUSSOLINI wrote: »

Bloody hell. If I was your Dad I know what I would have done.

Don't worry about that!!!
They were well taken care of;)

Wolfe Tone

Mickeroo wrote: »

ugh, thanfully we didn't have the trough ones and the toilets were generally flushed before the dunking.

In my school the cubicals didnt have locks, so they would get kicked in haha.

up for anything

Mickeroo wrote: »

first year eh? If it's anything like my secondary school he'll most likely have is head shoved into the toilet bowl at some point.

So I needn't bother making him wash his hair for the first couple of months. Will they give him time to rub a bit of shampoo on first?

sdanseo

The way I see it, by getting the train tomorrow we could all be blown up or derailed.

By getting on a plane, we could all die terrible deaths in a crash.

By driving a car, we could wrap it round a tree.

And yes in a tiny, tiny proportion of cases by letting kids out alone they could get hurt by a child molester or worse. At the end of the day though, I and anyone I know were out on the streets playing fairly happily from an early age and I can vividly remember a few public toilets, not because of the pedos but because of the smell And I like to think I turned out all right.

A lot more kids would be detrimentally effected by being kept inside and becoming recluse loners than the very very few who might ever fall foul of a paedophile. That doesn't mean don't take sensible, weighted precautions of course but no need to go overboard.

up for anything

MUSSOLINI wrote: »

I would not want to upset her. I don't want to blame her for any problems I have, it would devastate her. She is a great mother who loves me loads and always does her best. No doubt she thought nothing of it at the time.
I base it on personal experience.





Well thanks very ****ing much.

One personal swallow doesn't make an entire summer. You don't need to blame her for it. Just airing it might help. Mothers are tough and can deal with hard reality.

I apologise for using the word 'ruin'.

caseyann

zuroph wrote: »

not at all, just that you love a good paedophile fear thread. How many abductions are we up to in Dublin now?

Sounds personal to me.

K-9

MUSSOLINI wrote: »

I have a story like that, I was walking my dog, a golden retriever. Kids love her, and always run over to give her a pet, she loves the attention too.

Anyway the little fella is rubbing the dog who is just sitting there(I have her well trained around kids, she is very gentle and just sits there) And the mother comes running out of the house asking what am I doing with her child, grabbed him by the arm and started dragging him back into the house crying, giving me dirty looks all the time!
The dog started barking at her then!

Some people eh...

It is getting to that stage. I remember when the wee lad was about 4, a wee girl used to always come over to the house and play with him. Would be over for ages most days and the wee lad enjoyed the company.

I worked in a bar at the time and over heard her mother saying "he is leaving himself open to rumours". She never set foot in mines again. A shame really, lovely wee girl but that was the attitude of the mother. No thanks.

Same girl at 4 was let out of the house at 8/9 in the morning and nobody bothered checking on her all day! How she was never knocked down walking around the roads and bad corners, I don't know.

Anyway, it is getting to the stage that you can't smile at a child! I carry on anyway as the vast majority of parents have a bit of cop on.

Wolfe Tone

up for anything wrote: »

One personal swallow doesn't make an entire summer. You don't need to blame her for it. Just airing it might help. Mothers are tough and can deal with hard reality.

Apparently only if said reality is that if they look away for two seconds their child will get raped.
The reality is that it is extremely unlikely for anything to happen to the child.

I apologise for using the word 'ruin'.

Apology accepted. I turned out all right I think