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Stabbing culture

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  • #32
    weiland79
    Registered Users Posts: 3,309 ✭✭✭weiland79


    HereNorThere wrote: »
    Actually, I used to carry a knife with me before my room mates boyfriend stole it. Live in a bad part of town and really do need it. I'm pretty sure the legal size in US is 4 inches.
    Also, I have a fear of big dogs. Especially pit bulls. TOO MANY people have them over here and actually ignore the leash laws and walk them without one. I just feel safer with one in my pocket.

    I miss my knife.

    ps- Never take a knife to a gun fight.

    You would want to be pretty handy with that knife, because i think a 4 inch blade is just going to P!ss a pitbull off!


  • #33
    sligopark
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,620 ✭✭✭sligopark


    weiland79 wrote: »
    Your right and i suppose i made the point myself. By the time people would be old enough for national service the damage is already done.

    not so on the continent unless you have reports otherwise



    Pauleta wrote: »
    Carrying a knife should be treated the same as carrying a gun. If you stab somebody you are trying to kill them and should be tried as attempted murder if the victim doesnt die.

    unles of course your child uses it in self defense?

    Mike 1972 wrote: »
    One tends to find that those who advocate national "service" are well above the age it would be likely to be applied to were it to be introduced


    Persoanlly I think it would have had alot to offer me that I struggled to find as I had to move along with life - it would have been great to have been offered that standstill in life to develop discipline and order within my life that national service offers


  • #34
    sligopark
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,620 ✭✭✭sligopark


    HereNorThere wrote: »
    Especially pit bulls.

    ps- Never take a knife to a gun fight.

    nor a dog fight - always handy to close your hand in over their nose to invoke bite release rather than stabbing and harden that bite

    BTW you obviously have not been socialised with a staffy or pit or you would have little fear my friend honestly


  • #35
    stovelid
    Closed Accounts Posts: 27,252 ✭✭✭✭stovelid


    zuroph wrote: »
    Call a place Swords and what do you expect?

    This kind of disrespect fills me with great zorro.


  • #36
    Mike 1972
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,018 ✭✭✭Mike 1972


    sligopark wrote: »
    Persoanlly I think it would have had alot to offer me that I struggled to find as I had to move along with life - it would have been great to have been offered that standstill in life to develop discipline and order within my life that national service offers

    did you try signing up ?


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  • #37
    weiland79
    Registered Users Posts: 3,309 ✭✭✭weiland79


    sligopark wrote: »
    not so on the continent unless you have reports otherwise

    No, no reports to the contrary, but it does seem to me that if a person has been involved in say a life of crime, drugs and other forms of antisocial behavior since the age of 10, that perhaps a years service may not quite cut it.


  • #38
    yermanoffthetv
    Registered Users Posts: 625 ✭✭✭yermanoffthetv


    weiland79 wrote: »
    That may be true but, what do you think?

    I wouldnt favour it tbh. A service like that should be voluntary and professional only. You shouldnt be there if you dont want to.

    Another thing to note is the lack of prison spaces. Overcrowding sometimes means criminals get early release or their sentences postponed for months. Also prison sencentes for non violent acts like non payment of bills ect has to be looked at because that too is adding to the problems.

    Maybe they should take a shock approach and show the secondry school kids pictures of stab victims like the ad campaign in London? Might scare some sense into em.

    Thoughts?


  • #39
    JayEnnis
    Registered Users Posts: 851 ✭✭✭JayEnnis


    Mike 1972 wrote: »
    One tends to find that those who advocate national "service" are well above the age it would be likely to be applied to were it to be introduced

    I'm 17 and I would love it.

    I think its a great idea and might actually instill a sense of respect in all these scumbags who think they have some sort of entitlement to start fights and then when they start getting the **** bet out of them they pull a knife.

    And its nothing to do with living in a disadvantaged area, I come from one and I think I'm a fairly well rounded respectful chap. It's the parents fault, the ones living off the dole and not being bothered to go find a job. It gives the children the idea that its fine to do whatever you want and get away with it.

    We need harsher sentences for people even found carrying knives as well as a more 'oppressive' police force.


  • #40
    JayEnnis
    Registered Users Posts: 851 ✭✭✭JayEnnis


    yermanoffthetv wrote: »
    I wouldnt favour it tbh. A service like that should be voluntary and professional only. You shouldnt be there if you dont want to.

    Another thing to note is the lack of prison spaces. Overcrowding sometimes means criminals get early release or their sentences postponed for months. Also prison sencentes for non violent acts like non payment of bills ect has to be looked at because that too is adding to the problems.

    Maybe they should take a shock approach and show the secondry school kids pictures of stab victims like the ad campaign in London? Might scare some sense into em.

    Thoughts?

    Get rid of parole officers, make prisoners do hard labour and build more prisons with the money saved.


  • #41
    HereNorThere
    Closed Accounts Posts: 159 ✭✭HereNorThere


    weiland79 wrote: »
    You would want to be pretty handy with that knife, because i think a 4 inch blade is just going to P!ss a pitbull off!

    Not if you know where to ram it.


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  • #42
    sligopark
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,620 ✭✭✭sligopark


    Mike 1972 wrote: »
    did you try signing up ?

    eh bit past that age group now Mike but when I was 17 a group of us went for the Irish army - the first of us got turned down on asthma - none of the rest of us went into the medical and left on train and shortly after split up, leaving for the US, Germany, Bulgaria and beyond


    Personally and honestly I think I needed it and given national service allows a break in life much like transitional year I think it is a good idea


  • #43
    Mike 1972
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,018 ✭✭✭Mike 1972


    Funny I didnt do national service or transition year and I havent eaten any babies yet ?
    sligopark wrote: »
    Personally and honestly I think I needed it

    So how many people have you stabbed ?


  • #44
    sligopark
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,620 ✭✭✭sligopark


    JayEnnis wrote: »
    We need harsher sentences for people even found carrying knives as well as a more 'oppressive' police force.

    perhaps not longer sentences that emburden the tax payer further bit a police force opened up beyond political correctness and the reintroduction of steel toed boots and handcuffed and closed car boot trips out to the country


  • #45
    HereNorThere
    Closed Accounts Posts: 159 ✭✭HereNorThere


    sligopark wrote: »
    nor a dog fight - always handy to close your hand in over their nose to invoke bite release rather than stabbing and harden that bite

    BTW you obviously have not been socialised with a staffy or pit or you would have little fear my friend honestly

    Uhm, I have no intention of putting my hands anywhere near a pitt bulls nose. too close to those damn teeth. I'll just stick with the knife. :)

    Uh- no pun intended. :D


  • #46
    yermanoffthetv
    Registered Users Posts: 625 ✭✭✭yermanoffthetv


    JayEnnis wrote: »
    Get rid of parole officers, make prisoners do hard labour and build more prisons with the money saved.

    two birds one stone, I like ;)


  • #47
    sligopark
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,620 ✭✭✭sligopark


    Mike 1972 wrote: »
    So how many people have you stabbed ?

    HUH? None - not one - where the hell did that thought come from?


    When I spoke of need I meant the example of self discipline and the outside push toward win and pride perhaps not immediately available within my immediate family


  • #48
    yermanoffthetv
    Registered Users Posts: 625 ✭✭✭yermanoffthetv


    sligopark wrote: »
    HUH? None - not one - where the hell did that thought come from?


    When I spoke of need I meant the example of self discipline and the outside push toward win and pride perhaps not immediately available within my immediate family

    "Arah sure ya could goe joine a hoorlin club"...Irish governments answer to all youth problems :rolleyes:


  • #49
    sligopark
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,620 ✭✭✭sligopark


    yermanoffthetv wrote: »
    "Arah sure ya could goe joine a hoorlin club"...Irish governments answer to all youth problems :rolleyes:

    Arah sure I forgot that time I stabbed a full forward before they introduced that silly helmet rule in- what were the gaa thinking of'

    perhaps I missing something or is national service taking the OP of carrying knives off topic?


  • #50
    weiland79
    Registered Users Posts: 3,309 ✭✭✭weiland79


    yermanoffthetv wrote: »
    I wouldnt favour it tbh. A service like that should be voluntary and professional only. You shouldnt be there if you dont want to.

    Another thing to note is the lack of prison spaces. Overcrowding sometimes means criminals get early release or their sentences postponed for months. Also prison sencentes for non violent acts like non payment of bills ect has to be looked at because that too is adding to the problems.

    Maybe they should take a shock approach and show the secondry school kids pictures of stab victims like the ad campaign in London? Might scare some sense into em.

    Thoughts?

    Well in regards to the professional aspect of the service.
    I suppose that if i were in the army through choice i would be pretty peeved at having to stand beside some little upstart that was only there because he had to.
    But then again i don't suppose that would happen and that the national service 'soliders' could perhaps be trained seperately, with a view to continuing on after their time.
    But the point of the service (for me) is not to only make soliders, but perhaps create some structure for people that are lacking it in their personal lives.

    I know what you mean about the over crowding, but should we really be looking to just build bigger prisons, from what i can see, in many cases prison can make criminals into worse criminals.

    So yes education. It has to begin with education.
    The shock treatment i wouldn't be to sure of, as people tend to take in what they want to. Smokers are a perfect example of this. A picture of a cancer ridden lung on a pack of smokes does no deter most smokers.


  • #51
    yermanoffthetv
    Registered Users Posts: 625 ✭✭✭yermanoffthetv


    sligopark wrote: »
    Arah sure I forgot that time I stabbed a full forward before they introduced that silly helmet rule in- what were the gaa thinking of'

    perhaps I missing something or is national service taking the OP of carrying knives off topic?

    A wee bit but mullin out solution should be on the agenda too. any thoughts on my earlier proposal of "shock education" in schools


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  • #52
    minister poxbottle
    Closed Accounts Posts: 439 ✭✭minister poxbottle


    Most stab victims are stabbed with thier own knives FACT


  • #53
    sligopark
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,620 ✭✭✭sligopark


    minister poxbottle wrote: »
    Most stab victims are stabbed with thier own knives FACT

    bollocks - its inhandling of the knife whilst stabbing that generally allows the knive to slip down the hand and so cut the palm and so requiring hospital attention and a few stitches

    somewhat different from a wound to the liver or neck

    what a dick throwing up a post such as that - like they suddenly jump up out of the blue and stick the knife in themselves

    wise up


  • #54
    weiland79
    Registered Users Posts: 3,309 ✭✭✭weiland79


    minister poxbottle wrote: »
    Most stab victims are stabbed with thier own knives FACT

    Not enough by half FACT


  • #55
    mali3434
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2 ✭mali3434


    Thanks, we will try it.


  • #56
    minister poxbottle
    Closed Accounts Posts: 439 ✭✭minister poxbottle


    sligopark wrote: »
    bollocks - its inhandling of the knife whilst stabbing that generally allows the knive to slip down the hand and so cut the palm and so requiring hospital attention and a few stitches

    somewhat different from a wound to the liver or neck

    what a dick throwing up a post such as that - like they suddenly jump up out of the blue and stick the knife in themselves

    wise up

    A fight breaks out a knife is pulled the knife is taken off him or her and stuck in thier face. your the fcuking dick if you cant see this.


  • #57
    yermanoffthetv
    Registered Users Posts: 625 ✭✭✭yermanoffthetv


    minister poxbottle wrote: »
    Most stab victims are stabbed with thier own knives FACT

    Source plz?


  • #58
    yermanoffthetv
    Registered Users Posts: 625 ✭✭✭yermanoffthetv


    minister poxbottle wrote: »
    A fight breaks out a knife is pulled the knife is taken off him or her and stuck in thier face. your the fcuking dick if you cant see this.

    Then I have no sympathy. Infact jail them after hospital.


  • #59
    Dudess
    Closed Accounts Posts: 37,214 ✭✭✭✭Dudess


    stovelid wrote: »
    This kind of disrespect fills me with great zorro.
    That's joust what I was thinking...


  • #60
    weiland79
    Registered Users Posts: 3,309 ✭✭✭weiland79


    minister poxbottle wrote: »
    A fight breaks out a knife is pulled the knife is taken off him or her and stuck in thier face. your the fcuking dick if you cant see this.

    Jeez lads calm down


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  • #61
    Mike 1972
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,018 ✭✭✭Mike 1972


    yermanoffthetv wrote: »
    Source plz?

    Dont be silly

    Everyone knows you dont need one if your post ends with the word "fact"(typed in all caps)


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