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A muslims opinion on this video?
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Thanks for the response.
I have been looking up on the destroying of the statues alright and did see many references that they'd been asked not to do it, however there is no proof, moreso just comments made by random people here and there.
edit: see your edit there.
Doesn't "I have been ordered to fight the people until they testify that there is no deity worthy of worship other than Allah and that Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah, establish the prayer, and pay zakat, and if they do this, then their blood and money shall be protected from me, except by an Islamic right, and their account will be with Allah." basically say such a thing? Except explains in detail.
I don't know how it can be interpreted as “It refers to fighting those who are waging war, whom Allah has permitted us to fight. It does not refer to those who have a covenant with us with whom Allah commands us to fulfill our covenant.” that though, except for the 'No compulsion in religion' statement..
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For this reason I always defer to the experts. You wont find them here
This is certainly true on both counts!
The hadith "I have been ordered to fight people . . . " is certainly authentic (it is reported by the two leading authorities, Bukhari and Muslim, on the authority of different, highly respected, narrators). It has also been translated fairly, even moderately. The Arabic text is as follows:أمرت أن أقاتل الناسI'd transliterate this as "umirtu an uqatil'an-nasa". The word that has been translated into English as "fight" comes from the verb "qatala", which appears around 170 times in the Qur'an, and often has the meaning "kill", so "fight" is a moderate translation. The word translated into English as "people" is probably the most general Arabic word for this concept, and it's interesting that the hadith doesn't use a more limited word like "polytheist" or "disbeliever".
The saying is also reported by Bukhari within a hadith narrated by Abu Huraira (one of the most significant hadith narrators) about Abu Bakr, the first khalifa after the death of Muhammad. In this hadith, Abu Bakr refers to Muhammad's statement as justification for fighting some Bedouin tribes that had refused to continue paying the zakah after the death of Muhammad (the tribes argued that their agreement with Muhammad to accept Islam and follow the required practices ceased when he died, and they were no longer obliged to pay zakah).
Most scholars (such as Ibn Taymiyyah, as deravarra mentioned) take the latter hadith as support for arguing that the order to fight applies only where groups who had originally accepted Islam publicly refuse to follow the required practices, so it is more like a "police action" within Islam. They do not see the hadith as providing justification for fighting anyone who is not a Muslim. On the other hand, a few extremists rely on this hadith and on similar verses in the Qur'an as authority permitting (indeed, requiring) them to fight non-Muslims.
Given that verses and hadiths like this have been analysed in depth for centuries, we are unlikely to come up with fresh insights, but it's always a good idea to ask (1) is the quotation authentic; (2) has it been fairly translated; (3) what was the context in which the quotation was uttered (or verse was revealed); and (4) what is the consensus of the scholars, and what minority views exist?0 -
A couple of years ago, one of the moderators at that time, the_new_mr, started a series of threads discussing Al-Nawawi's collection of forty (actually 42) hadith, which Al-Nawawi suggested represented the "great principles of the deen [the religion and way of life of Islam]". Apparently, Muhammad was reported as saying: "Whoever preserves forty hadith for my Ummah in the affair of their deen, Allah will raise him up on the Day of Reckoning in the company of the people of knowledge", so collections of forth hadith were very popular. Al-Nawawi's collection dates from around 1270CE and is one of the most famous.
Unfortunately, we didn't get very far in discussing the hadith collection (the initiative fizzled out at Hadith No. 3), but I thought that it might be worth linking to a modern commentary site on the "I have been ordered to fight people" hadith (Al-Nawawi's Hadith No. 8). This commentary interprets the order to "fight" rather metaphorically, and refers critically to "those people [who] interpret this hadith to mean fighting but this may not be applicable to the situation of the Muslims today where fighting may cause more and greater harm." The commentary also claims that most scholars take the view that this hadith relates only to polytheists, not to the ahl al-kitab - People of the Book - such as Jews and Christians.
As a contrast, here is a link to a salafi website with a commentary on the Forty Hadith of Al-Nawawi. The commentary on Hadith No. 8 takes things more literally, and interprets the hadith as requiring Muslims to "fight disbelievers until Islam triumphs."
And finally, here's a recitation of the hadith:
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