Faith In Crisis : Rte One now

mehfesto

Anyone watching this?

Seems to be a power battle to find the dominant opinion of where the church should be at the minute. And how this view fits in with Rome. Interesting enough.

Lots of talk of reform from the non-bishops/non-priests in the group.

Dades

Have started watching some German movie called "The Wave" on BBC4 - not turning over to listen to those muppets pontificate.

mehfesto

You did well.

Got a bit messy and well, "well, I believe in the healing power of Christ and that should be our message", malarkey.

Right, I'm off to commit some more cardinal sins. Did enough sloth-ing for one day. Might look into this Acedia thingy.

robindch

Dades wrote: »

Have started watching some German movie called "The Wave" on BBC4

Any good?

Tried to watch it last year, but film ran about 2% faster than the subtitles, making it, as time drifted by, a very surreal viewing experience indeed.

Byron85

Dades wrote: »

Have started watching some German movie called "The Wave" on BBC4 - not turning over to listen to those muppets pontificate.

Great movie. It's based on a classic Psychological experiment.

Dades

Byron85 wrote: »

Great movie. It's based on a classic Psychological experiment.

robindch wrote: »

Any good?

First 40 mins or so were promising, so I recorded the rest.

checkyabadself

I watched ten minutes of the programme in question and promptly switched off. It was an EGM to drastically look at how the balance of power has shifted due to the abuse scandal and how best to regain their grip on power. Desperation of the highest level. It was shamefully transparent when one member said "we need tro re-invent....". At least their admitting its invented.

sheesh

it was pretty bad the guy running the show let it jump all over the shop and didn't follow up on some good good questions posed to the bishops
one of the bishops looked seriously stressed and was trying desperately hard not to say anything.

some of the prerecorded pieces were quiet good.

Also it had mary o rourke which guarantees that everybody would immediately switch over

all in all a waste of time

A Primal Nut

Don't understand why Catholics are so obsessed with talking about reform. You either except the church or they don't. You can't go changing whatever rules they don't like. They don't seem to understand that they can leave a church if they don't like it. It's like the option has just been blocked off from their mind, it doesn't cross their minds.

I'm not suggesting they leave Christianity (well I would, but not the purpose of this post).

Goduznt Xzst

Byron85 wrote: »

Great movie. It's based on a classic Psychological experiment.

Turns out

Germans are genetically predetermined towards nazism, rather than it being an ideology of choice

. That's what I chose to take away from it anyway.

mikhail

A Primal Nut wrote: »

Don't understand why Catholics are so obsessed with talking about reform. You either except the church or they don't. You can't go changing whatever rules they don't like...

They "except" it a lot. :P

But seriously, it's not like the church has been an unchanging monolith for the past 2000 years. Canon law is certainly subject to change, as are many of the rituals (anyone been to a mass in Latin lately?). Even doctrine changes with time - leaving the fundamentalists somewhat in Limbo.

Byron85

Goduznt Xzst wrote: »

Turns out

Germans are genetically predetermined towards nazism, rather than it being an ideology of choice

. That's what I chose to take away from it anyway.

It's interesting to note then that the original experiment was carried out in the U.S in the sixties.

Galvasean

A Primal Nut wrote: »

Don't understand why Catholics are so obsessed with talking about reform. You either except the church or they don't. You can't go changing whatever rules they don't like. They don't seem to understand that they can leave a church if they don't like it. It's like the option has just been blocked off from their mind, it doesn't cross their minds.

I'm not suggesting they leave Christianity (well I would, but not the purpose of this post).

It reminds me of this whole "we need women priests" movement that's going on now. Seriously, if you want women prieststhere are plenty of other churches that have them. Go join one of them.

amacachi

Galvasean wrote: »

It reminds me of this whole "we need women priests" movement that's going on now. Seriously, if you want women prieststhere are plenty of other churches that have them. Go join one of them.

Gets on my nerves, or when someone gives out about the child abuse stuff, so I suggest joining one of the Protestant churches and then they list reasons why they believe in Catholicism rather than any Protestant faith, and every reason is either common to most Protestant churches and Catholicism or is only present in Protestantism. It's almost like some people don't know what it is they "believe" in.

Galvasean

amacachi wrote: »

Gets on my nerves, or when someone gives out about the child abuse stuff, so I suggest joining one of the Protestant churches and then they list reasons why they believe in Catholicism rather than any Protestant faith, and every reason is either common to most Protestant churches and Catholicism or is only present in Protestantism. It's almost like some people don't know what it is they "believe" in.

Simple. They were raised by nationalistic propaganda were the Protestants were made out to be the bad guys.

amacachi

Galvasean wrote: »

Simple. They were raised by nationalistic propaganda were the Protestants were made out to be the bad guys.

Aye, they generally also claim to have been born a Catholic, it really is amazing how consistent the pattern is.

ColmDawson

Taken from a post of mine on the Christianity forum:

I wish the concepts Irish and Catholic weren't taken as one and the same by so many people in this country.
The more Catholics question their faith, the better. If that leads them to atheism, yippee! If they stick with Catholicism or leave it for some other form of Christianity, at least they haven't just blindly followed their parents.

EDIT: A friend of mine, who is an atheist, recently said to me "I was born a Catholic and I'll die a Catholic!". He said this in complete seriousness, and is not an idiot.

goose2005

A Primal Nut wrote: »

Don't understand why Catholics are so obsessed with talking about reform. You either except the church or they don't. You can't go changing whatever rules they don't like. They don't seem to understand that they can leave a church if they don't like it. It's like the option has just been blocked off from their mind, it doesn't cross their minds.

I'm not suggesting they leave Christianity (well I would, but not the purpose of this post).

Moreover, it doesn't seem to occur to them that the RCC is led by a dictator-for-life who has exclusive power to make doctrinal decisions and to appoint cardinals, who in turn have exclusive power to appoint bishops and archbishops, who in turn are in control of what parishes get what priests. Power trickles down imperiously from Rome, so talk about 'ordinary Catholics' reforming from within is nonsense - they have zero power.

mikhail

ColmDawson wrote: »

A friend of mine, who is an atheist, recently said to me "I was born a Catholic and I'll die a Catholic!". He said this in complete seriousness, and is not an idiot.

Yeah, I don't think that last bit is right.

ColmDawson

mikhail wrote: »

Yeah, I don't think that last bit is right.

Haha, I was waiting for someone to say that.:pac:

Really though, people just don't think about religion anywhere near as much as they ought to.

sponsoredwalk

Goduznt Xzst wrote: »

Turns out

Germans are genetically predetermined towards nazism, rather than it being an ideology of choice

. That's what I chose to take away from it anyway.

Sounds an awful lot like the crazy thesis espoused in this work.

Galvasean

This discussion reminds me of my school days.

"What Scottish football team do you support?"
"I don't follow the Scots league."
"Well if you did who would you support?"
"Um, I dont know?"
"Well you have to support Celtic."
"Why?"
"Coz you're Irish."
"So why do I have to support Celtic?"
"Because they're a Catholic team. And we hate Rangers because they are Protestants."

Of course looking back very few of the plastic Paddy Celtic fans realised that the English Premier League teams they followed were mostly Protestant too.
Also, Hibernian are also a Catholic Scottish team founded by Irish people, but nobody here supports them. Oh yeah, they never win the league do they?

Niska

ColmDawson wrote: »

EDIT: A friend of mine, who is an atheist, recently said to me "I was born a Catholic and I'll die a Catholic!". He said this in complete seriousness, and is not an idiot.

Reminded me of a Dara O'Brian speel:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XUVNZFylTdo

Dades

Goduznt Xzst wrote: »

Turns out

Germans are genetically predetermined towards nazism, rather than it being an ideology of choice

. That's what I chose to take away from it anyway.

Just finished watching it. Pretty cool stuff.

Disagree with your take on it, as humans are humans really, and alternative forms of government fail for the same reasons everywhere.

Worth a watch!

ThirdMan

Dades wrote: »

Have started watching some German movie called "The Wave" on BBC4 - not turning over to listen to those muppets pontificate.

Must have been a good movie if your on boards while it's on! :P

Ickle Magoo

Galvasean wrote: »

This discussion reminds me of my school days.

"What Scottish football team do you support?"
"I don't follow the Scots league."
"Well if you did who would you support?"
"Um, I dont know?"
"Well you have to support Celtic."
"Why?"
"Coz you're Irish."
"So why do I have to support Celtic?"
"Because they're a Catholic team. And we hate Rangers because they are Protestants."

Of course looking back very few of the plastic Paddy Celtic fans realised that the English Premier League teams they followed were mostly Protestant too.
Also, Hibernian are also a Catholic Scottish team founded by Irish people, but nobody here supports them. Oh yeah, they never win the league do they?

My dad's best friend is a catholic rangers fan so I used to view the whole sectarian thing with much confusion...

I support the hibees & I'm here, btw. :P