Who runs Hollywood? Oliver Stone is right.

King Mob

Brown Bomber wrote: »

so you retract this statement then?

The real reason you won't define "jewishness" is because there isn't anyway way to do so that doesn't rely on stereotyping, ...

No, because it's true.

Can you show otherwise? Or would you prefer to continue dishonestly dancing around the question?

robtri

Brown Bomber wrote: »

so you retract this statement then?

The real reason you won't define "jewishness" is because there isn't anyway way to do so that doesn't rely on stereotyping, ...

I think the uestion is still to you BB.... can you define what u consider jewishness???
since u made the commnet that his jewishness has been toned down???

fontanalis

Didn't one of the juwes (Spielberg) make a film that was critical of Mossad?

K-9

fontanalis wrote: »

Didn't one of the juwes (Spielberg) make a film that was critical of Mossad?

True, Munich didn't show them in a great light alright.

Brown Bomber

King Mob wrote: »

No, because it's true.

This dictionary definition:

of, relating to, or characteristic of the Jews; also : being a Jew

Which I have already supplied to you. Do you still agree

The real reason you won't define "jewishness" is because there isn't anyway way to do so that doesn't rely on stereotyping, ...

Do you believe the dictionary has defined "Jewishness" based on stereotyping?

King Mob wrote: »

Can you show otherwise? Or would you prefer to continue dishonestly dancing around the question?

I've answered the question. Listen carefully...

It is completely irrelevant how Irish, French, Sikhs, or Eskimoes are portrayed because they have no geostrategic value to Zionists and they are have not been trying to instigate wars to destroy these peoples for hte last 20 or so years. Also they are not ethnically cleansing any of these people as we speak, whereas they are with Arabs today. Zionist Jews as a tiny numerical minority need to socially engineer and manipulate the goyim population of the worlds superpower, the US to die for them hunting camel jockeys who hate their freedom, Hollywood is just an arm of this.

Brown Bomber

robtri wrote: »

I think the uestion is still to you BB.... can you define what u consider jewishness???
since u made the commnet that his jewishness has been toned down???

Read this

People also use quotation marks in this way to:

• distance the writer from the terminology in question so as not to be associated with it. For example, to indicate that a quoted word is not official terminology, or that a quoted phrase presupposes things that the author does not necessarily agree with.

Then read my unedited post.

King Mob

Brown Bomber wrote: »

This dictionary definition:

Which I have already supplied to you. Do you still agree

Do you believe the dictionary has defined "Jewishness" based on stereotyping?

Yes.
Please list a few "charactistics of Jews"?
Please explain how, as you originally claimed, Fagins "jewishness" has been toned down.

Brown Bomber wrote: »

I've answered the question. Listen carefully...

It is completely irrelevant how Irish, French, Sikhs, or Eskimoes are portrayed because they have no geostrategic value to Zionists and they are have not been trying to instigate wars to destroy these peoples for hte last 20 or so years. Also they are not ethnically cleansing any of these people as we speak, whereas they are with Arabs today.

Yes so therefore there would be no reason for them to portray other groups as evil etc.
So if the Jews are trying to vilify arabs, we should see them as disproportionately portrayed as negative characters.

So then can you please cite a few examples of positive Irish characters, since there is no motivation to vilify them.

If your theory holds any water you should have no problem identifying more positive Irish characters than Arabs.

(This is what we call falsification, it's what real, non-biased researchers do.)

Brown Bomber wrote: »

Zionist Jews as a tiny numerical minority need to socially engineer and manipulate the goyim population of the worlds superpower, the US to die for them hunting camel jockeys who hate their freedom, Hollywood is just an arm of this.

So it's ok for you to portray as Jews scheming to brainwash people...
Do you not see this as hypocritical?

Joshua Jones

I always thought Fagin was Irish. Must have toned it down.

Joshua Jones

Positive Irish characters:

Jack Dawson -Titanic, Leo Di Caprio
Jim Malone -The Untouchables, Sean Connery
Veronica Guerin -Same, Cate Blanchett
King Of Ireland (lol) -Braveheart, Erm, Yer man
Christy Brown -My Left foot, D D Lewis
Red -Shawshank Redemption, Morgan (The man) Freeman

Just of the top of me head. Now PLEASE give it a rest ffs.

fontanalis

Joshua Jones wrote: »

Positive Irish characters:

Jack Dawson -Titanic, Leo Di Caprio
Jim Malone -The Untouchables, Sean Connery
Veronica Guerin -Same, Cate Blanchett
King Of Ireland (lol) -Braveheart, Erm, Yer man
Christy Brown -My Left foot, D D Lewis
Red -Shawshank Redemption, Morgan (The man) Freeman

Just of the top of me head. Now PLEASE give it a rest ffs.

begorrah!

King Mob

Joshua Jones wrote: »

Positive Irish characters:
Jack Dawson -Titanic, Leo Di Caprio

Wasn't Irish.
From Wisconsin according to wiki.

Joshua Jones wrote: »

King Of Ireland (lol) -Braveheart, Erm, Yer man

Haven't seen the film in ages and can't remember the character.

Joshua Jones wrote: »

Red -Shawshank Redemption, Morgan (The man) Freeman

Not really Irish you'd agree.
Also a criminal.

Joshua Jones wrote: »

Christy Brown -My Left foot, D D Lewis

Veronica Guerin -Same, Cate Blanchett

These films also contain negative Irish stereo types, Gilligan for example.
So it cancels out.

Joshua Jones wrote: »

Jim Malone -The Untouchables, Sean Connery

Can't fault this one.
But as BB said.

Brown Bomber wrote: »

Matt Le Tissier scored 48/49 penalty kicks. Just because he missed one doesn't make a bad penalty kick taker, does it?

Joshua Jones

King Mob wrote: »

Wasn't Irish.
From Wisconsin according to wiki.

Born Dublin, Ireland. Also from wiki. That's one

Haven't seen the film in ages and can't remember the character.

That's two

Not really Irish you'd agree.
Also a criminal.

Watch the film. Says he's Irish. A criminal who finds REDEMPTION and admits his faults. That's three.

These films also contain negative Irish stereo types, Gilligan for example.
So it cancels out.

The lead characters are positive and for any film to work it needs a balance of negative characters. However you only asked for positive Irish characters, not films containing ONLY positive Irish characters. Four and five.

Can't fault this one.

Six.

I know you were wishing to derail this thread and am nearly embarrassed to have taken your bait but I had to point out how what you were saying had absolutley no basis.

K-9

And then the bad guys:

Patriot Games
Devils Own
Ronin
Crying Game, probably more British though.

Probably a few others where the Irish where the terrorists.

Oh and an honourable mention to Far and Away, particularly offensive!

humanji

Just so you know, Morgan Freeman wasn't Irish in Shawshank. His character was Irish in the book, so they put that line in as a joke, since he was obviously not Irish.

But the point still stands. The Jews are trying to make the Irish out to be heroic in order to trick to world into ignoring the crimes against humanity that we're about to commit. Apprently.

King Mob

Joshua Jones wrote: »

Born Dublin, Ireland. Also from wiki. That's one

Nope sorry:

After completing the script for Titanic, Cameron discovered that there had been a real "J. Dawson" who died aboard the Titanic. "J. Dawson" (Joseph Dawson) had been born September 1888 in Dublin, Ireland.

Joshua Jones wrote: »

Watch the film. Says he's Irish. A criminal who finds REDEMPTION and admits his faults. That's three.

Still a criminal.

Joshua Jones wrote: »

The lead characters are positive and for any film to work it needs a balance of negative characters. However you only asked for positive Irish characters, not films containing ONLY positive Irish characters. Four and five.

Gillian was a lead character, what with being the villain of the piece and all.
Also both where partly Irish productions. So doesn't really count.

Joshua Jones wrote: »

Six.

Two.

I posted a much longer list of positive Arab characters

Joshua Jones wrote: »

I know you were wishing to derail this thread and am nearly embarrassed to have taken your bait but I had to point out how what you were saying had absolutley no basis.

So BB et all are claiming that Arabs are singled out as being portrayed as negative characters, but it's some how derailing the thread to get them to back up this claim?

K-9

humanji wrote: »

Just so you know, Morgan Freeman wasn't Irish in Shawshank. His character was Irish in the book, so they put that line in as a joke, since he was obviously not Irish.

But the point still stands. The Jews are trying to make the Irish out to be heroic in order to trick to world into ignoring the crimes against humanity that we're about to commit. Apprently.

Used to love reading spy novels in the 80's. Gerald Seymour, LeCarre that type of stuff. Seymour was very fond of writing about the IRA and usually was quiet sympathetic to them. He wrote one about an Arab terrorist recently. So, even he just moved on, Arabs are more likely to be portrayed as terrorists and bombers now because, well, the IRA have stopped. Same for Hollywood.

mkahnisbent

Joshua Jones wrote: »

Born Dublin, Ireland. Also from wiki. That's one

You're being dishonest, wikipedia doesn't say that. It says some other bloke who happened to have the same name was born in Dublin.

PirateShampoo

Joshua Jones wrote: »

I always thought Fagin was Irish. Must have toned it down.

Why? Did the nickname "The Jew" miss lead you?

robtri

Brown Bomber wrote: »

Fagin's "Jewishness" has been toned down considerably over the years.

In any case he was based on a real-life Jewish criminal
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ikey_Solomon

Brown Bomber wrote: »

Read this



Then read my unedited post.

you posted a simple one line statement, now u are saying that u dont agree with that one line statment... come on BB...

so what did you mean and i mean YOU when u made the statment, cause i really am confused

Yitzhak Rabin

This whole thread reminds me of Keith Chegwins character from Extas

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=klXUOM4wtT8

Brown Bomber

Exhibit A - Alec Guinness 40's



Exhibit B - Some other Chap in the 60's or 70's musicla version



Exhibit C - Ben Kingsley from the last 10 years or so



Exhibit D - Rowan Atkinson. Russ Abbot, Griff Rhys Jones & Omad Djalili Present(ish) Day Westend version

Rowan Atkinson



Russ Abbott



Omad Djalili (?)



Griff Rhy Jones




Now if people can't see the transformation from the first (stereotypical, anti-semtic) photo to the (watered down PC Fagin) last I give up.

King Mob

Brown Bomber wrote: »

Now if people can't see the transformation from the first (stereotypical, anti-semtic) photo to the (watered down PC Fagin) last I give up.

So the only thing you can provide as an example of "Jewishness" is a large hook nose?

And are you still arguing that "Jewishness" can be defined without stereotyping?
Cause that's exactly what you just did.

I take it that you're not going to address any of the other points then?

robtri

Brown Bomber wrote: »

Exhibit A - Alec Guinness 40's




Exhibit B - Some other Chap in the 60's or 70's musicla version



Exhibit C - Ben Kingsley from the last 10 years or so



Exhibit D - Rowan Atkinson. Russ Abbot, Griff Rhys Jones & Omad Djalili Present(ish) Day Westend version

Rowan Atkinson



Russ Abbott



Omad Djalili (?)



Griff Rhy Jones




Now if people can't see the transformation from the first (stereotypical, anti-semtic) photo to the (watered down PC Fagin) last I give up.

so off all them pictures, how many are from films produced by hollywood, ??
cause i think most of them are from musicals from westend and not films from hollywood.... and thats what this thread is about...

if i am correct the pictures are worthless to hold water to your argument

Brown Bomber

robtri wrote: »

you posted a simple one line statement, now u are saying that u dont agree with that one line statment... come on BB...

so what did you mean and i mean YOU when u made the statment, cause i really am confused

Sorry for the confusion

It is quite simple really. You may recall that the word "Jewishness" was within quotation marks (""). What this signifies is that I don't agree with the usage of the term but it is descriptive nonetheless.

Hope that clears it up.

PirateShampoo

Brown Bomber wrote: »

Now if people can't see the transformation from the first (stereotypical, anti-semtic) photo to the (watered down PC Fagin) last I give up.

You still haven't answered the question of what his "Jewishness" is.

Even the pictures you posted doesn't really show much change of the characters physical appearance.

So again, which of Fagin's personality traits are from his "Jewishness"?

King Mob

Brown Bomber wrote: »

Sorry for the confusion

It is quite simple really. You may recall that the word "Jewishness" was within quotation marks (""). What this signifies is that I don't agree with the usage of the term but it is descriptive nonetheless.

Hope that clears it up.

Dude this is getting silly now.
Which characteristics specifically does the term Jewishness describe?

PirateShampoo

Brown Bomber wrote: »

Sorry for the confusion

It is quite simple really. You may recall that the word "Jewishness" was within quotation marks (""). What this signifies is that I don't agree with the usage of the term but it is descriptive nonetheless.

Hope that clears it up.

But that would still imply that the Fagin characters negative traits are down to the fact he is Jewish.

Its not your fault that you think this, Charles Dickens appeared to have a strong dislike for Jews and he can be blamed for helping spread the misconception that all Jews only think about money and power and are sneaky and evil.

Brown Bomber

King Mob wrote: »

So the only thing you can provide as an example of "Jewishness" is a large hook nose?

And here we go with the baiting again. :rolleyes:

The poster who gave us "sinister Jew" now brings "a large hook nose" into the debate.

King Mob wrote: »

And are you still arguing that "Jewishness" can be defined without stereotyping?

For the 5th time yes.

For the record Fagin is not what I think of when I think of Jewishness. What comes into my head is Larry David, Mel Brooks, Woody Allen.

You still think that a dictionary stereotypes? :pac:

King Mob wrote: »

Cause that's exactly what you just did.

Me bollix thats what I did.

1. someone else brought up Fagin as an example of a negative Hollywood Jewish character
2. I pointed out that his "Jewishness" has diminished over the decades
3. I posted some photos to demonstrate this.

King Mob wrote: »

I take it that you're not going to address any of the other points then?

You catch on quick don't ya?

I've made it quite clear that I won't be addressing your irrelevant points for the reason that they are irrelevant. Feel free to to raise any further points with a trace of relevance and we'll take it from there.

Brown Bomber

robtri wrote: »

so off all them pictures, how many are from films produced by hollywood, ??
cause i think most of them are from musicals from westend and not films from hollywood.... and thats what this thread is about...

if i am correct the pictures are worthless to hold water to your argument

A; B; C are movies. D is from the Westend. It was in the earlier post

Brown Bomber

King Mob wrote: »

Dude this is getting silly now.
Which characteristics specifically does the term Jewishness describe?

I don't understand your question

Brown Bomber

PirateShampoo wrote: »

But that would still imply that the Fagin characters negative traits are down to the fact he is Jewish.

He is a fictional character. I don't understand what you are saying

PirateShampoo wrote: »

Its not your fault that you think this, Charles Dickens appeared to have a strong dislike for Jews and he can be blamed for helping spread the misconception that all Jews only think about money and power and are sneaky and evil.

Me I think it is unfair to judge a person in a time we couldn't possibly comprehend being in.

King Mob

Brown Bomber wrote: »

And here we go with the baiting again. :rolleyes:

Well that's really the only difference I can see between those photos.
Maybe if you actually tell us what characteristics you are talking about....

Brown Bomber wrote: »

The poster who gave us "sinister Jew" now brings "a large hook nose" into the debate.

I'm not the one accusing people of conspiracy based solely on their heritage.

Brown Bomber wrote: »

For the 5th time yes.

For the record Fagin is not what I think of when I think of Jewishness. What comes into my head is Larry David, Mel Brooks, Woody Allen.

You still think that a dictionary stereotypes? :pac:

That's not an answer.

Which characteristics do they have that are their "Jewishness"?

Brown Bomber wrote: »

Me bollix thats what I did.

1. someone else brought up Fagin as an example of a negative Hollywood Jewish character
2. I pointed out that his "Jewishness" has diminished over the decades
3. I posted some photos to demonstrate this.

So which characteristics where diminshed? cause the only change we can see from a photo is appearance.

Brown Bomber wrote: »

You catch on quick don't ya?

I've made it quite clear that I won't be addressing your irrelevant points for the reason that they are irrelevant. Feel free to to raise any further points with a trace of relevance and we'll take it from there.

I've explained how exactly they are relevant. you just can't answer them without undermining you ridiculous position.

Brown Bomber wrote: »

I don't understand your question

I don't know how to make it any clearer.
Which personality traits, mannerisms or actions would be included in the description "Jewishness"?

robtri

Brown Bomber wrote: »

He is a fictional character. I don't understand what you are saying



Me I think it is unfair to judge a person in a time we couldn't possibly comprehend being in.

hole and digging comes to mind here.... lol

PirateShampoo

Brown Bomber wrote: »

He is a fictional character. I don't understand what you are saying



Me I think it is unfair to judge a person in a time we couldn't possibly comprehend being in.

Ah i dont even care even more, i already know the answer to the question everybody has been asking you.

Brown Bomber

PirateShampoo wrote: »

Ah i dont even care even more, i already know the answer to the question everybody has been asking you.

whats the question???

Brown Bomber

King Mob wrote: »

Which personality traits, mannerisms or actions would be included in the description "Jewishness"?

Decription by whom?

King Mob

Brown Bomber wrote: »

Decription by whom?

Wow....

Ok. you said that Fagins Jewishness has been toned down.
Exactly and specifically which bits of his character were toned down?
Which bit of his character give him his Jewishness?

Brown Bomber

King Mob wrote: »

Wow....

Ok. you said that Fagins Jewishness has been toned down.
Exactly and specifically which bits of his character were toned down?
Which bit of his character give him his Jewishness?

And I have made quite clear that by placing "Jewishness" in quotation marks it implied that "Jewishness" in this context means Dickens stereotypical creation.

for ****s sake man would you clarify your question.

what do you want?

Dickens opinion?
my opinion?
anti-semitic Jewish stereotypes?

King Mob

Brown Bomber wrote: »

And I have made quite clear that by placing "Jewishness" in quotation marks it implied that "Jewishness" in this context means Dickens stereotypical creation.

for ****s sake man would you clarify your question.

what do you want?

Dickens opinion?
my opinion?
anti-semitic Jewish stereotypes?

By whichever way you personally are judging his "Jewishness".
Which bits of his character where altered to be toned down?

Or are you now argeeing that you can't define that word without relying on stereotype.

Yitzhak Rabin

King Mob wrote: »

By whichever way you personally are judging his "Jewishness".
Which bits of his character where altered to be toned down?

Or are you now argeeing that you can't define that word without relying on stereotype.

Its the same as any adjective to describe an ethnic group. Defining Irishness, Polishness, Americaness etc. All relies on some degree of stereotyping as you have to generalise when speaking about a group.

The "jewishness" obviously referred to the stereotypical victorian Jew.

Brown Bomber

King Mob wrote: »

By whichever way you personally are judging his "Jewishness".

See this is where you are being sneaky.

I have not ascribed any of Fagin's anti-semitic stereotypical Jewish traits onto him, Dickens did. Obviously I had as much to do with his creation as you did.

Do you deny that Dickens created in Fagin an anti-semitic Jewish character?

I don't. Anyone with a mental age of a 10 year old could see this.

No matter how you try and twist my point this is all that I have said.

Over time, even in Dickens' lifetime in subsuquent publishings and public readings the Fagin's Jewish stereotypically Jewish of the times traits have been lessened.

Do you deny that over time Fagin has become more PC?

Brown Bomber

King Mob wrote: »

Or are you now argeeing that you can't define that word without relying on stereotype.

No.

3rd time

: of, relating to, or characteristic of the Jews; also : being a Jew

not relying on stereotype.

Brown Bomber

On Topic:

According to The Wrap, billionaire mogul Haim Saban and WME kingpin Ari Emanuel personally appealed to CBS boss Leslie Moonves to yank Stone’s 10-part documentary — A Secret History of America — from the network’s sister channel. Saban also lobbied CAA co-chief Bryan Lourd to drop Stone from the agency roster — much like Emanuel did with Mel Gibson earlier this month.

http://www.movieline.com/2010/07/hollywood-jews-who-dont-control-media-unite-to-get-oliver-stone-kicked-off-showtime.php

humanji

Brown Bomber wrote: »

On Topic:


http://www.movieline.com/2010/07/hollywood-jews-who-dont-control-media-unite-to-get-oliver-stone-kicked-off-showtime.php

I thought that was particularly ironic as it was a Jewish mogul complaining that Stone was wrong to say that Jewish moguls control the media, and so he decides to get his own back by using his sway to show that he can control the media and get Stone's documentary canned. Talk about an own-goal!

King Mob

Brown Bomber wrote: »

See this is where you are being sneaky.

I have not ascribed any of Fagin's anti-semitic stereotypical Jewish traits onto him, Dickens did. Obviously I had as much to do with his creation as you did.

Do you deny that Dickens created in Fagin an anti-semitic Jewish character?

I don't. Anyone with a mental age of a 10 year old could see this.

No matter how you try and twist my point this is all that I have said.

Over time, even in Dickens' lifetime in subsuquent publishings and public readings the Fagin's Jewish stereotypically Jewish of the times traits have been lessened.

Do you deny that over time Fagin has become more PC?

No.

3rd time

Quote:
: of, relating to, or characteristic of the Jews; also : being a Jew
not relying on stereotype.

not relying on stereotype.

So Fagin's Jewishness was stereotyping, but somehow the definition of Jewishness does not rely on stereotyping?

You do know what "moving the goalposts" means right?

K-9

OK, can we all agree that the Fagin character is a massive stereotype but it does still exist?

Hell, probably feeds this thread in some shape or form!

King Mob

Brown Bomber wrote: »

On Topic:


http://www.movieline.com/2010/07/hollywood-jews-who-dont-control-media-unite-to-get-oliver-stone-kicked-off-showtime.php

So if these Jews control the media, why do they have to appeal to have this series blocked?
Shouldn't it just be blocked straight off?

Brown Bomber

King Mob wrote: »

So Fagin's Jewishness was stereotyping, but somehow the definition of Jewishness does not rely on stereotyping?

Somehow?

You do know there is a difference between being Jewish and being a Jewish stereotype right?

Think you might be more at home at stormfront.

King Mob wrote: »

You do know what "moving the goalposts" means right?

Yeah.

You do know you accused the dictionary of stereotyping right?

King Mob

Brown Bomber wrote: »

Somehow?

You do know there is a difference between being Jewish and being a Jewish stereotype right?

Yes. I do.

Now can you please explain how the term "jewishness" applies to someone without stereotyping?

Brown Bomber wrote: »

Think you might be more at home at stormfront.

Again, not the one accusing the Jews of trying to brainwash the rest of the world based on the idea that they are Jewish....

Brown Bomber wrote: »

Yeah.
You do know you accused the dictionary of stereotyping right?

Nope I said that you can't use "Jewishness" to describe someone without stereotyping.

Brown Bomber

King Mob wrote: »

Yes. I do.

So what is it then?