UK MP wants to stop flying in The Mach Loop

Steyr

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-10720984

Elfyn Llwyd MP demands rethink on low-fly jet training

An MP has demanded the Ministry of Defence (MOD) to take immediate steps to stop low flying training over rural Wales, due to health risks.

Dwyfor Meirionnydd MP Elfyn Llwyd claims the practice is damaging some of his constituents' hearing.

Wales is one of the three main areas in the UK where low-fly training is carried out because of its large areas of unrestricted airspace.

The MOD said low-level training was a continuing requirement.

Mr Llwyd wants immediate steps taken to tackle what he called the "severe health dangers" linked to the practice.

It is not clear where all the planes come from although one resident said some American aircraft fly from the east of England to use the airspace.

The Plaid Cymru parliamentary leader has urged the UK government to follow the lead of Germany, which ceased low flying in German airspace following research by academics on the health consequences.

That government also took steps to lessen the noise pollution, Mr Llwyd said.

However, Anglesey's MP Albert Owen said the training was essential and a big contributor to the local economy.

A statement by defence minister Andrew Robathan on 19 July indicated there had been an increase of 11% in flying hours on the previous training year across the UK.

Another question in the House of Lords revealed that 16 other countries, including Germany, have used UK airspace for training purposes.

Mr Llwyd said: "We must have an urgent rethink of this situation. More jets than ever before are now being trained and in no way are the people of north and mid Wales being compensated for this.

"In my constituency, a high percentage of those living in Dinas Mawddwy and Llanuwchllyn who were children in primary schools there, now have problems with hearing.

"Research by German Professor Isling proved beyond doubt that when jets fly at low altitudes, it does indeed have a detrimental effect upon an individual's hearing.

"While the German government will not allow low-flying of this type on its own territory, the UK government is meanwhile perfectly happy for them to use ours."

'Huge investor'

Mr Owen said he had to look at the big picture.

"What we're talking about is a base that has been here 60 years. Yes, it is noisy, the people understand that.

"It's a huge investor into the local economy. It brings quality jobs to the area and we have maintenance jobs attached to this fast flying.

"If that didn't happen in Anglesey, those jobs would go somewhere else.

"It's a balance between the economy and the defence of our country."

The north of England, including the Lake District in Cumbria, and parts of Scotland are the two other major areas for low-level flight training.

Last year, Dumfries and Galloway horse breeder Alyson King lost a £100,000 compensation claim against the MOD after arguing that low flights were causing distress to her family and the animals at a sanctuary she runs.

A MOD spokesman said in response to Mr Llwyd's proposal: "Current operations show there is a continuing requirement for our pilots to operate successfully in the low-level environment.

"To ensure our armed forces are capable of meeting the operational task, low flying training must be conducted in the UK before deployment to operational theatres."


And then this

Marian Rees lives in Talyllyn, Gwynedd, and says the low-flying by military planes has been a problem for years.

She said: "The RAF initially were using it and now they train other pilots from all over the world. The Americans in particular are using this valley coming all the way from East Anglia.

"It not just an annoyance, it's to do with safety and health as well, because when these F16s and Eurofighters come through you can actually feel it go right through your body.

"But how can you prove it? In Germany they proved it of course.

"I want to see it stopping. There's no justification for it at all."


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Never been any F-16's thru The Loop..

tac foley

Jets make noise.

Get over it.

tac

tac foley

Steyr wrote: »

...And then this.

Marian Rees lives in Talyllyn, Gwynedd, and says the low-flying by military planes has been a problem for years.

She said: "The RAF initially were using it and now they train other pilots from all over the world. [Bringing much-needed Millions of £££ into the nation's coffers]. The Americans in particular are using this valley coming all the way from East Anglia. [Oh dear, those pesky Yanks again, just like the last time they came over here to help free the world from nazi Germany]

"It not just an annoyance, it's to do with safety and health as well, because when these F16s and Eurofighters come through you can actually feel it go right through your body.[It might surprise you, madam, that millions of folks every year pay a LOT of their own money to see and feel those sensations - again, raising MILLIONS of £££ for the economy]

"But how can you prove it? In Germany they proved it of course.

"I want to see it stopping. There's no justification for it at all."
[Ah, I see, the need to train a national defensive air force doesn't come in to the equation, then?]

I've got a quote for ya, missus - 'Jet noise - the sound of Freedom!'

tac

PatsytheNazi

Steyr wrote: »

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-10720984

Elfyn Llwyd MP demands rethink on low-fly jet training

An MP has demanded the Ministry of Defence (MOD) to take immediate steps to stop low flying training over rural Wales, due to health risks.

Dwyfor Meirionnydd MP Elfyn Llwyd claims the practice is damaging some of his constituents' hearing.

Wales is one of the three main areas in the UK where low-fly training is carried out because of its large areas of unrestricted airspace.

The MOD said low-level training was a continuing requirement.

Mr Llwyd wants immediate steps taken to tackle what he called the "severe health dangers" linked to the practice.

It is not clear where all the planes come from although one resident said some American aircraft fly from the east of England to use the airspace.

The Plaid Cymru parliamentary leader has urged the UK government to follow the lead of Germany, which ceased low flying in German airspace following research by academics on the health consequences.

That government also took steps to lessen the noise pollution, Mr Llwyd said.

However, Anglesey's MP Albert Owen said the training was essential and a big contributor to the local economy.

A statement by defence minister Andrew Robathan on 19 July indicated there had been an increase of 11% in flying hours on the previous training year across the UK.

Another question in the House of Lords revealed that 16 other countries, including Germany, have used UK airspace for training purposes.

Mr Llwyd said: "We must have an urgent rethink of this situation. More jets than ever before are now being trained and in no way are the people of north and mid Wales being compensated for this.

"In my constituency, a high percentage of those living in Dinas Mawddwy and Llanuwchllyn who were children in primary schools there, now have problems with hearing.

"Research by German Professor Isling proved beyond doubt that when jets fly at low altitudes, it does indeed have a detrimental effect upon an individual's hearing.

"While the German government will not allow low-flying of this type on its own territory, the UK government is meanwhile perfectly happy for them to use ours."

'Huge investor'

Mr Owen said he had to look at the big picture.

"What we're talking about is a base that has been here 60 years. Yes, it is noisy, the people understand that.

"It's a huge investor into the local economy. It brings quality jobs to the area and we have maintenance jobs attached to this fast flying.

"If that didn't happen in Anglesey, those jobs would go somewhere else.

"It's a balance between the economy and the defence of our country."

The north of England, including the Lake District in Cumbria, and parts of Scotland are the two other major areas for low-level flight training.

Last year, Dumfries and Galloway horse breeder Alyson King lost a £100,000 compensation claim against the MOD after arguing that low flights were causing distress to her family and the animals at a sanctuary she runs.

A MOD spokesman said in response to Mr Llwyd's proposal: "Current operations show there is a continuing requirement for our pilots to operate successfully in the low-level environment.

"To ensure our armed forces are capable of meeting the operational task, low flying training must be conducted in the UK before deployment to operational theatres."


And then this

Marian Rees lives in Talyllyn, Gwynedd, and says the low-flying by military planes has been a problem for years.

She said: "The RAF initially were using it and now they train other pilots from all over the world. The Americans in particular are using this valley coming all the way from East Anglia.

"It not just an annoyance, it's to do with safety and health as well, because when these F16s and Eurofighters come through you can actually feel it go right through your body.

"But how can you prove it? In Germany they proved it of course.

"I want to see it stopping. There's no justification for it at all."


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Never been any F-16's thru The Loop..

"In my constituency, a high percentage of those living in Dinas Mawddwy and Llanuwchllyn who were children in primary schools there, now have problems with hearing......Research by German Professor Isling proved beyond doubt that when jets fly at low altitudes, it does indeed have a detrimental effect upon an individual's hearing."

Maybe they should get onto the solicitors here who represented the army deafness claims, I'm sure they could get a good claim out of it

PatsytheNazi

tac foley wrote: »

Jets make noise.

Get over it.

tac

" Research by German Professor Isling proved beyond doubt that when jets fly at low altitudes, it does indeed have a detrimental effect upon an individual's hearing....."While the German government will not allow low-flying of this type on its own territory "

Looks like the Gerries and other 16 countries are quite happy to deafen Welsh kids but not their own. Maybe they have a point. You cannot blame parents to be protective of their children especially ?

Steyr

Blown out of proportion the noise lasts for seconds, deafness my hole.

Morpheus

WHAT????

Victor

tac foley wrote: »

[Bringing much-needed Millions of £££ into the nation's coffers].

Then perhaps some of that money can be invested in the local community?

Fratton Fred

PatsytheNazi wrote: »

" Research by German Professor Isling proved beyond doubt that when jets fly at low altitudes, it does indeed have a detrimental effect upon an individual's hearing....."While the German government will not allow low-flying of this type on its own territory "

Looks like the Gerries and other 16 countries are quite happy to deafen Welsh kids but not their own. Maybe they have a point. You cannot blame parents to be protective of their children especially ?

they quote UK airspace, not just Welsh. I would hazard a guess and say a lot more low flying goes on in Scotland than it does in Wales.

I was on a farm north of Calender once and two Buccaneers (I know, I'm showing my age) flew through the Valley where we were fishing. it was a case of "What's that noise?"......"****ING HELL"......"Where'd they go?"

Steyr

Lake district is very active with Tonka's.

Victor

Fratton Fred wrote: »

I was on a farm north of Calender once and two Buccaneers (I know, I'm showing my age) flew through the Valley where we were fishing. it was a case of "What's that noise?"......"****ING HELL"......"Where'd they go?"

Buccaneer pilots would boast that they would come back with tumple weed in the pitot tube.