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Ush1

North Korea: Pyongyang: football team publicly humiliated for their losses at World Cup
Footballers are subjected to a six-hour dressing down by an audience of 400. The worst criticism was that they betrayed “the trust of Kim Jong-un”. Coach is expelled from party and sent to work on a construction site in the capital.

Wednesday, July 28, 2010

By Asia News
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Seoul – North Korea’s football team were subjected to a six-hour public reprimand by 400 sports students and officials for betraying “the trust of Kim Jong-un” by losing all three of their World Cup matches. The coach was apparently sent to work on a construction site in the capital Pyongyang, but the players are thought to have been spared any specific punishment.
The dressing down supposedly occurred on 2 July on a stage at the People's Palace of Culture in Pyongyang, three days after they returned from South Africa, sources told Radio Free Asia.
The team's two Japanese-born players, Jong Tae-se and An Yong-hak, were exempt from the session; they apparently flew directly to Japan.
Sports Minister Pak Myong-chol was in the audience that criticised the players.
Ri Dong-kyu, a sports commentator for North Korea's state-run Korean Central TV, pointed out the mistakes of each player.
The reprimand especially focused on North Korea’s 0-7 rout at the hands of Portugal, which also eliminated North Korea in 1966.
Afterwards, players criticised coach Kim. According to rumours, the latter was expelled from the party and sent to work at a construction site in Pyongyang."

Neil3030

Room 101!

folan

supposedly

Beautiful! Reminds me of the article saying that they had beaten Brazil 100-nil!

Ush1

Can just imagine all the players in a cage in the middle of a room with 400 people just spitting and shouting at them.

Then the poor oul coach with his suit sleeves rolled up, mixing cement on a site.:pac:

Neil3030

I don't think people are quite grasping the severity of this complete injustice of human rights and freedoms. I am not being frivolous in the slightest manner when I suggest there's a good chance that coach will be executed if he's not already dead.

DrumSteve

come on... we've all wanted to do it at some stage.

As a bohs fan i probably would have wanted to do this after the TNS match. pity there is no construction jobs going over here.:P

witnessmenow

Ush1 wrote: »

Afterwards, players criticised coach Kim. According to rumours, the latter was expelled from the party and sent to work at a construction site in Pyongyang."

Probably working at being part of the foundation

parker kent

Neil3030 wrote: »

I don't think people are quite grasping the severity of this complete injustice of human rights and freedoms. I am not being frivolous in the slightest manner when I suggest there's a good chance that coach will be executed if he's not already dead.

It's beyond ridiculous for this to happen. I don't think anybody here would like to go to a North Korean "construction" site. Might as well be a Roman slave sent to the mines.

Boskowski

Neil3030 wrote: »

I don't think people are quite grasping the severity of this complete injustice of human rights and freedoms. I am not being frivolous in the slightest manner when I suggest there's a good chance that coach will be executed if he's not already dead.

Amidst all the surely justified criticism of that regime in NK I'm pretty sure there's also a lot of horsesh1t and propaganda. I wouldn't be one bit confident about what I could believe and what not when it comes to 'news' from NK. I wouldn't be one bit surprised if all this was totally made-up.

I mean the article even says the working on a building site story is just a 'rumour'. How you extend this to probably being executed is beyond me.

Neil3030

Boskowski wrote: »

Amidst all the surely justified criticism of that regime in NK I'm pretty sure there's also a lot of horsesh1t and propaganda. I wouldn't be one bit confident about what I could believe and what not when it comes to 'news' from NK. I wouldn't be one bit surprised if all this was totally made-up.

I mean the article even says the working on a building site story is just a 'rumour'. How you extend this to probably being executed is beyond me.

A totalitarian dictatorship, with complete control of its press and its people, with a decorated history of grevious human rights violations and with a massive international inferiority complex, having recently been shamed at an international event? It's completely beyond you that execution of the coach is a distinct possibility?

Really?

yahoo_moe

I'm with Boskowski on this one.

If the report sounds like crap, then I'm not going to treat it as seriously as something provable (e.g. the Foxxcon suicides, the wave of suicides in Orange's French operation, etc.)

Whereas show me another Andres Escobar case or whatever and I'll be rightly outraged.

yahoo_moe

Neil3030 wrote: »

A totalitarian dictatorship, with complete control of its press and its people

Then how did the story get out?

It's completely beyond you that this isn't true or has been exaggerated somewhat?

Really?

MuPpItJoCkEy

To be honest, if I was in any shape or form North Korean, I wouldn't accept a coaching job or represent the country at the highest level because I would know all to well what could happen if it was a failure which is a certainty when it comes to that country.

I'd rather a nice easy job that like a shop keeper where a mistake would probably not cost my life.

That's just me and my North Korean midset.

witnessmenow

MuPpItJoCkEy wrote: »

To be honest, if I was in any shape or form North Korean, I wouldn't accept a coaching job or represent the country at the highest level because I would know all to well what could happen if it was a failure which is a certainty when it comes to that country.

I'd rather a nice easy job that like a shop keeper where a mistake would probably not cost my life.

That's just me and my North Korean midset.

You think you get to choose? Ah bless!

MuPpItJoCkEy

witnessmenow wrote: »

You think you get to choose? Ah bless!

I'd accidently on purpose break a leg before getting anywhere near a plane! Then again, I'd probably be sent to the glue factory then.

Neil3030

yahoo_moe wrote: »

I'm with Boskowski on this one.

If the report sounds like crap, then I'm not going to treat it as seriously as something provable (e.g. the Foxxcon suicides, the wave of suicides in Orange's French operation, etc.)

Whereas show me another Andres Escobar case or whatever and I'll be rightly outraged.

yahoo_moe wrote: »

Then how did the story get out?

It's completely beyond you that this isn't true or has been exaggerated somewhat?

Really?

This story doesn't have to be true for my point to hold - there is a good chance the coach is either dead, or will be killed.

Dont be at yourself

There is not a "good" chance, there is a chance. A slim chance, I would say. People's views of North Korea are incredibly influenced by propaganda, just as the opposite is also true.

CiaranC

This should've happened to Bohs last week

Boskowski

Neil3030 wrote: »

A totalitarian dictatorship, with complete control of its press and its people, with a decorated history of grevious human rights violations and with a massive international inferiority complex, having recently been shamed at an international event? It's completely beyond you that execution of the coach is a distinct possibility?

Really?

Well, let's call it highly unlikely.

In any case if I was a totalitarian dictator I wouldn't consider news about that sort of punishment good advertisement. And if I was so much in control of my press and my people guys on the other end of the world wouldn't be reading about it.

pickarooney

Neil3030 wrote: »

This story doesn't have to be true for my point to hold - there is a good chance the coach is either dead, or will be killed.

And this is how rumours start - people with no clue makign stuff up.

Neil3030

Boskowski wrote: »

Well, let's call it highly unlikely.

In any case if I was a totalitarian dictator I wouldn't consider news about that sort of punishment good advertisement. And if I was so much in control of my press and my people guys on the other end of the world wouldn't be reading about it.

As unlikely as executing someone for making an international phonecall? In front of 150,000 people?

As you correctly point out though, we'll never know what happens to the DPRK coach. Sadly, I am more pessimistic of his future...

Neil3030

pickarooney wrote: »

And this is how rumours start - people with no clue makign stuff up.

What exactly am I making up?

Boskowski

Neil3030 wrote: »

This story doesn't have to be true for my point to hold - there is a good chance the coach is either dead, or will be killed.

I don't know. Who am I to say it does or it doesn't. It's not that I've ever been there. But at the same time I'm under no illusion about the western media either. There is such a thing like anti-left/socialist propaganda and when you combine that with nowadays media hysteria in general and the necessity to constantly sell 'breaking', shocking news then nothing would surprise me.

If I had to make a guess I'd say the players and the staff will be exposed to ridicule and degrading treatment and loss of privileges and such but they hardly gonna shoot them.

But like I said, of course none of us knows for sure and neither do I.

pickarooney

Neil3030 wrote: »

What exactly am I making up?

You said there was a good chance that the coach was dead.

Neil3030

pickarooney wrote: »

You said there was a good chance that the coach was dead.

How is that making something up?

ballsymchugh

Boskowski wrote: »

Amidst all the surely justified criticism of that regime in NK I'm pretty sure there's also a lot of horsesh1t and propaganda. I wouldn't be one bit confident about what I could believe and what not when it comes to 'news' from NK. I wouldn't be one bit surprised if all this was totally made-up.

I mean the article even says the working on a building site story is just a 'rumour'. How you extend this to probably being executed is beyond me.

of course it's a rumour. the only building site in pyongyang is that big hotel. it was bankrolled by mohammed al-fayed for a while but now it's just an empty shell. there's no building going on there!

major bill

the report came from seoul thats enough for me to question wheather the report is 100 per cent true or not.

Ush1

major bill wrote: »

the report came from seoul thats enough for me to question wheather the report is 100 per cent true or not.

Apparently, they showed goals being scored against North Korea with a laughter track over it.

sprinkles

How did a report about the NK team getting a dressing down in front of 400 people and a rumour of the coach being sent to work on a construction site (rumour!!!) turn into a story about the coach being killed? The mind boggles!

There is one thing we know for certain about North Korea and that is we know very little, if anything about the workings of the country.

keane2097

Neil3030 wrote: »

How is that making something up?

Unless you've actually gone and quantified the probabilities of the coach being killed, saying "there's a good chance" is just inventing a degree of likelihood to suit your ideological standpoint.

ldo

yahoo_moe

Neil3030 wrote: »

This story doesn't have to be true for my point to hold - there is a good chance the coach is either dead, or will be killed.

We've probably all said our piece on this by now.

But surely if you're basing your opinion on the story, it has to be true? I don't get your logic here at all. And I think "good chance" isn't really something you're backing up.

But anyway, onwards... PL kicks off soon

Bob the Seducer

1. AsiaNews.it, the originator of the article quoted in the first post is an Italian Catholic News Website.

2. Radio Free Asia is a radio station funded by the United States Congress to report news "which is otherwise not reported" to 6 Asian countries.

3. Nobody stands behind the contents of the report, a "source" provided details to Radio Free Asia, a rumour says the coach has been sent to work on a building site.

A reputable source, the AP covers the report like this:

SEOUL, South Korea — A news report says North Korea's soccer team and coach have been reprimanded by the government for the team's poor performance at the World Cup.

Radio Free Asia said the team was summoned to a closed-door meeting in Pyongyang earlier this month and criticized for its losses to Brazil, Portugal and Ivory Coast. The report says players were then ordered to reprimand coach Kim Jong Hun.

The report cited unidentified sources in North Korea and a Chinese businessman described as knowledgeable about North Korea affairs.

South Korea's main spy agency could not confirm the report, and there was no mention of any such meeting in North Korean state media.

sounds like it really happened, doesn't it?

flahavaj

Ush deserves far more credit for the thread title. :pac:

Neil3030

keane2097 wrote: »

Unless you've actually gone and quantified the probabilities of the coach being killed, saying "there's a good chance" is just inventing a degree of likelihood to suit your ideological standpoint.

ldo

I did a pre-experimental, quasi-statistical inferential analysis which resulted in a hypothesis, evidence for or against which will never be obtained since we will never know what will happen to the coach. In other words, I speculated. There's no ideological standpoint at play here, just a concern for a man's life.

yahoo_moe wrote: »

We've probably all said our piece on this by now.

But surely if you're basing your opinion on the story, it has to be true? I don't get your logic here at all. And I think "good chance" isn't really something you're backing up.

But anyway, onwards... PL kicks off soon

I'm not basing my opinion on that story, I actually thought it as soon as I heard that North Korea had lost 7-0 to Portugal, "f***, there's a really good chance someone's going to be killed over this." Granted I did leap to suggest that story manifested a grave injustice without independently verifying its authenticity, but my opinion on North Korea was made up a long time before that.

Indeed though, this used to be a football forum once

keane2097

Neil3030 wrote: »

I did a pre-experimental, quasi-statistical inferential analysis which resulted in a hypothesis, evidence for or against which will never be obtained since we will never know what will happen to the coach. In other words, I speculated. There's no ideological standpoint at play here, just a concern for a man's life.

i.e. you made up.

I don't care about the rest of it tbh, just you denying that you had made anything up was annoying.

Neil3030

keane2097 wrote: »

i.e. you made up.

I don't care about the rest of it tbh, just you denying that you had made anything up was annoying.

So if I say "there's a good chance Man United will win the league", am I making something up? No! I'm speculating. Learn the English language and get back to me.

keane2097

Neil3030 wrote: »

So if I say "there's a good chance Man United will win the league", am I making something up? No! I'm speculating. Learn the English language and get back to me.

You'll find there's actually a fair bit of statistical evidence, as well as some fairly detailed analysis, to back the United claim up however. You can ask Paddy Power for example.

Whatever

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