M11 - Arklow to Rathnew

marmurr1916

Sponge Bob wrote: »

Roadbridge are improving the St Clears to Pembroke Dock Road as it happens.

http://www.roadbridge.ie/pdf/projects/roads/A477_LR.pdf

Just checked the distance again, it's actually only 24 miles between St. Clears and Pembroke Dock, using the A477.

This scheme will improve 25% of the road between St. Clears and Pembroke Dock.

jd

Is there a detailed map of this scheme available? Also I presume this is not being constructed under a motorway order, but will be re-designated as one post-construction

jd

While searching for a map I found thse
http://www.pleanala.ie/casenum/ER2032.htm
http://www.pleanala.ie/casenum/CH2145.htm

iwo

jd wrote: »

While searching for a map I found thse
http://www.pleanala.ie/casenum/ER2032.htm
http://www.pleanala.ie/casenum/CH2145.htm

Sorry guys, is there any specific start-finish point for this project? The more I read the less I know :-D
Will they me redoing existing road or building new one? I'm asking from restrictions point of view.. Hoping to not see delays on this road during construction works.

Irish and Proud

iwo wrote: »

Sorry guys, is there any specific start-finish point for this project? The more I read the less I know :-D
Will they me redoing existing road or building new one? I'm asking from restrictions point of view.. Hoping to not see delays on this road during construction works.

The road will be built offline (new road) but will traverse the existing road a couple of times, so delays at certain locations along the way might result. Going South, the road will start at the Beehive and will finish at the rugby club North of Arklow. This scheme is due to start in May/June of this year and should be completed in 2014 by my estimation.

Regards!

Wild Bill

They had a map in Wicklow Co Co many moons ago - but no copy online. A nice man in the council gave me one (photocopy) which I can no longer find.

Can't see why there isn't a copy online somewhere by now

Carawaystick

Irish and Proud wrote: »

The road will be built offline (new road) but will traverse the existing road a couple of times, so delays at certain locations along the way might result. Going South, the road will start at the Beehive and will finish at the rugby club North of Arklow. This scheme is due to start in May/June of this year and should be completed in 2014 by my estimation.

Regards!

Strictly speaking, the northern end will be at the end of DC about a km north of the Beehive.

I saw the map before, and from the fencing on the ground, the Road starts west of the existing road with a junction at the beehive for the Wicklow/Deputy's pass roads; Then it crosses to the east near the Tap and runs east of the graveyard in Barndarrig; and crosses west again south of Barndarrig, before the long straight stretch to Jack Whites. There's another junction near Jack Whites for Brittas bay and Redcross.

The new road crosses east again south of plattenstown and I think it'll merge into the end of the Arklow bypass from the east, but at a gradual angle

All the crossings were fairly oblique, so there's going to be an amount of trafic disruption, but there is to be some parallel road in the latest scheme I saw, to allow the mainline be motorway, maybe if that was built early on traffic could use that.

There were two houses demolished a few years back for it, I dunno if any more need be done, and I'm not sure how the section at the northern end will be done, to allow local accesses.

nordydan

The road will almost certainly be motorway when opened, it'll have an alternative route for its entire length and they are closing off the LILO's at Arklow rugby club.

They only discrepancy is that it'll be narrow median, sandwiching two wide median schemes (Arklow Bypass & Ashford/Rathnew Bypass)

Niles

nordydan wrote: »

They only discrepancy is that it'll be narrow median, sandwiching two wide median schemes (Arklow Bypass & Ashford/Rathnew Bypass)

Any reasons for this? Cost?

Wild Bill

Niles wrote: »

Any reasons for this? Cost?

They don't reckon they'll ever need to widen it to six lanes past Wicklow Town.

L1011

Wild Bill wrote: »

They don't reckon they'll ever need to widen it to six lanes past Wicklow Town.

And I suspect they're probably right.

Bullseye1

Is the cemetery near Lil Doyles being moved?

nordydan

Niles wrote: »

nordydan wrote: »

They only discrepancy is that it'll be narrow median, sandwiching two wide median schemes (Arklow Bypass & Ashford/Rathnew Bypass)

Any reasons for this? Cost?

Arklow Bypass the oldest of the 3 schemes, built to the old wide median spec. As stated, hopefully never required.

An upgrade to the railway line should supersede any future D3M requirements!

Niles

Bullseye1 wrote: »

Is the cemetery near Lil Doyles being moved?

Would it need to be though? Not sure that it actually infringes on the new route.

nordydan wrote: »

Arklow Bypass the oldest of the 3 schemes, built to the old wide median spec. As stated, hopefully never required.

Yeah, that's what made wonder. If narrow median is good enough for Rathnew-Arklow it raises the question as to whether or not it was necessary to make the Arklow bypass wide median in the first place. Still, it's not any harm I guess.

nordydan wrote: »

An upgrade to the railway line should supersede any future D3M requirements!

Some chance of that happening... :rolleyes:

L1011

Niles wrote: »

Yeah, that's what made wonder. If narrow median is good enough for Rathnew-Arklow it raises the question as to whether or not it was necessary to make the Arklow bypass wide median in the first place. Still, it's not any harm I guess.

We hadn't "invented" narrow median when it was built. First narrow median scheme was either the runout from the M4 (it wasn't M4 then, is now) at Kinnegad; or the Fermoy bypass I believe.

Wild Bill

First one I saw was the Glen of the Downs section of the N11; it had to have it's width minimized due to some mad tree-huggers. :rolleyes:

Wild Bill

Wild Bill wrote: »

First one I saw was the Glen of the Downs section of the N11; it had to have it's width minimized due to some mad tree-huggers. :rolleyes:

Yes....I said mad tree-huggers

Irish and Proud

Wild Bill wrote: »

First one I saw was the Glen of the Downs section of the N11; it had to have it's width minimized due to some mad tree-huggers. :rolleyes:

No Wild Bill, I'll would not let those tree-huggers (destroyers I'd say) claim a victory. AFAIK, the scheme (that went ahead) through the Glen was a compromise reached via the democratic process where all concerns were considered, including those of an environmental nature. The tree-huggers wanted no road widening through the Glen and suggested a 3 lane contraflow for that section instead - they tried to impose their will and failed. I also remember hearing that the forest walk had to be closed thereafter due to tree damage caused by tunneling on the part of the tree-huggers! :rolleyes:

All I can say to those people is: Thanks a Bunch! :mad:

Carawaystick

Actually, I was wrong about the route, it passes west of the cemetery.

Google maps shows the line of the route, as it's been fenced off for a fair few years now.

Wild Bill

Irish and Proud wrote: »

All I can say to those people is: Thanks a Bunch! :mad:

Indeed, and there is now a tight, dangerous entrance/exit from a formerly very popular forest park area - thanks to their nonsense.

It used to be packed with walkers, kids on nature trails and picnickers every week-end - now only suicidal motorists risk visiting it.

spacetweek

Interesting points about the narrow median for this scheme, sandwiched between wide-median schemes. Don't see it being an issue, and in fairness Wicklow is a sensitive area to be building roads. With no major city or anything at the end of the N11/M11, 6-laning is unlikely to ever be needed along here.

The comment about the railway line needing work could open a can of worms - I could talk for hours about the various issues here!

Finally, I'm amazed by the pleanala.ie links someone posted upthread - permission granted January 2005. By the time they get underway in June, it'll have been seven and a half years. Their 10-year window nearly expired!

Wild Bill

spacetweek wrote: »

in fairness Wicklow is a sensitive area to be building roads.

Yeah, but the floor of the Glen of the Downs isn't!

That was pure baloney :mad:

jd

nordydan wrote: »

They only discrepancy is that it'll be narrow median, sandwiching two wide median schemes (Arklow Bypass & Ashford/Rathnew Bypass)

One thing I noticed in the planning decision is reference to an entrance to Coillte property. I guess it will be a LILO ??!!?

Wild Bill

jd wrote: »

an entrance to Coillte property

Off a motorway?

jd

Wild Bill wrote: »

Off a motorway?

It's not under a motorway order...

Junctions and Grade Separated Interchanges
The junction strategy restricts access to the dual carriageway to the junctions
described below. These junctions provide linkage between the N11 Rathnew to
Arklow Road Improvement and the local road network. The strategy reduces the
number of traffic conflict points to enhance the safety of road users. All other
local roads are grade separated from the dual carriageway or realigned and do
not have direct access to it. Similarly direct private access shall not be permitted
to the dual carriageway with the exception of a single left on/left off gated priority
junction access to forest land owned by Coillte. Access to private properties has
been maintained from the local road network and by the provision of
accommodation roads and underpasses.
The proposed junctions on the dual carriageway are therefore restricted to the
following locations:
o grade separated interchange west of Jack White’s Cross Roads
o grade separated interchange west of the Beehive junction
o left on/left off gated priority junction access to Coillte lands at Chainage
12+550

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Wild Bill

But we all know this will be a motorway! :rolleyes:

PseudoFamous

jd wrote: »

It's not under a motorway order...

It sits between two sections of motorway, and it's going to be built to a motorway grade, so I'd say it's pretty likely to be a motorway on opening.

Wild Bill

PseudoFamous wrote: »

It sits between two sections of motorway, and it's going to be built to a motorway grade, so I'd say it's pretty likely to be a motorway on opening.

Yep, if it walks, talks and waddles like a duck........:cool:

jd

Wild Bill wrote: »

But we all know this will be a motorway! :rolleyes:

Oh I Agree, I wonder what they'll do about this LILO

Bullseye1

Who is the contractor? And have any local people been offered employment during construction?