M11 - Arklow to Rathnew

bigroad

There is a problem getting and keeping machine drivers and dumper drivers.They are using agencys and we all know what they are like.The pay is lacking also.

Carawaystick

I was down in Arkla over the May weekend
Took these, 'twas a bit overcast, but there was a bit of progress.
There's several short sections with the sub-base done, so the hardcore will go on top of this, and one short section (<100m) between Barndarrig and Jack Whites with some hardcore down.

The bridges are coming along at a pace. The only traditional bridge construction is at the junction at Dempsey's Roof truss place at the bottom of the hill from the Arkow bypass.


3123 is the sub-base at the bend at the end of the straight north of Jack Whites, coming towards Barndarrig
3127 is the road up from the Tap and then left back towards Barndarraig
3128 is looking back towards Barndarraig from where pic 3127 was taken.
3130 is the road up from the Tap,

fred funk }{

Don't agree with others. I think they're progressing fast now and they've made some serious progress with the ground works.

By the end of the summer I think we'll see massive progress with the long evenings.

Scotia Major

Are the signs which say that the completion date is "August 2015" still covered over?

vickers209

Scotia Major wrote: »

Are the signs which say that the completion date is "August 2015" still covered over?

yes

eas

Can someone point me to how the plan for the new M11? I've looked and surprisingly can't find anything.

I live in Redcross and was told by a local publican that in order to get to Redcross/Barndarrig you'll need to exit at the Beehive or Jack White's. If that's the case, I can't for the life of me figure out what's going on with the bridges in front of LiL Doyles.

Carawaystick

eas wrote: »

Can someone point me to how the plan for the new M11? I've looked and surprisingly can't find anything.

I live in Redcross and was told by a local publican that in order to get to Redcross/Barndarrig you'll need to exit at the Beehive or Jack White's. If that's the case, I can't for the life of me figure out what's going on with the bridges in front of LiL Doyles.

There;s only a junction at the Beehive and at Jack Whites.

At Lil Doyles, the new road is crossing over the existing road and the road to Kilbride. There will be no access to the new road here when built, any access now is for construction.

maps seem hard to find alright, I'd ask the nra for a copy of the EIS

eas

thanks for that Carawaystick.

What I can't seem to be able to picture in my mind is how the two bridges (the one passing over the existing N11 and the one over the exit to Kilbride) could possibly work as a motorway. They seem to be at quite acute angles and only 50 meter apart.

Carawaystick

eas wrote: »

thanks for that Carawaystick.

What I can't seem to be able to picture in my mind is how the two bridges (the one passing over the existing N11 and the one over the exit to Kilbride) could possibly work as a motorway. They seem to be at quite acute angles and only 50 meter apart.

The motorway will cross the mainline( the existing n11) at a shallow angle(maybe 20-30 degrees)

It will cross the Kilbride road at a steep angle maybe 80-90 degrees.

The motorway is going from east to west as it travels north through Barndarrig

You get those 2 bridges close together as the route needs to be close to lil doyles to miss the hill above the Tap

If you get a chance over the weekend turn up at the tap and left again to see the route back to beside lil doyles,
Or even on Sunday walk up from ills to the road, if there's a fence gap open

IrlJidel

Carawaystick wrote: »

There;s only a junction at the Beehive and at Jack Whites.

At Lil Doyles, the new road is crossing over the existing road and the road to Kilbride. There will be no access to the new road here when built, any access now is for construction.

maps seem hard to find alright, I'd ask the nra for a copy of the EIS

Someone has put the prosposed route on openstreetmap if that helps:

http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=17/52.95308/-6.09361

medoc

Quick question (sorry if has been covered already) looking at the OSM map. There doesn't seem to be an alternative route that could be designated an R road at the Arklow end. Are they planning a new "side" road to allow non motorway traffic avoid the motorway or will it be remaining an N road? Hopefully they have allowed for this on the plans and it can be designated motorway.

tonc76

medoc wrote: »

Quick question (sorry if has been covered already) looking at the OSM map. There doesn't seem to be an alternative route that could be designated an R road at the Arklow end. Are they planning a new "side" road to allow non motorway traffic avoid the motorway or will it be remaining an N road? Hopefully they have allowed for this on the plans and it can be designated motorway.

There are no plans for an additional side road but traffic could use the R773 from Jack White's to get to the R750 to continue south to Arklow and vice versa. From Arklow traffic could take the R772 (Old N11) south to Gorey and vice versa.

Carawaystick

tonc76 wrote: »

There are no plans for an additional side road but traffic could use the R773 from Jack White's to get to the R750 to continue south to Arklow and vice versa. From Arklow traffic could take the R772 (Old N11) south to Gorey and vice versa.

I think there are plans for a 6m road for all traffic beside the new dual cariageway. The existing road will be there from where Coolmore is marked on the top of the linked map; to past the beehive, pretty much to here

This means most of the existing road will be narrowed, with hard shoulders broken up and covered in soil.

There is a huge land take fenced off at the northern end of the Arklow bypass, so I presume there will be a new access road from Coolmore to the road with the bend at Balinaskea in the bottom of the linked map

And I expect something similar at the northern end of the new scheme. In Fact I'd expect a route for general traffic to be made from the junction at the top of Rathnew Hill/Rocky road to the Beehive, to only have 2 M11's instead of the 3 we have now.

jd

medoc wrote: »

Quick question (sorry if has been covered already) looking at the OSM map. There doesn't seem to be an alternative route that could be designated an R road at the Arklow end. Are they planning a new "side" road to allow non motorway traffic avoid the motorway or will it be remaining an N road? Hopefully they have allowed for this on the plans and it can be designated motorway.

Have a read of this earlier post by some eejit
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=84407126&postcount=562

The proposed road development necessitates the realignment or crossing of a
number of Regional and Local Roads in order that they can be integrated into the
proposed local R772 all-purpose road network, and their existing junctions with
the N11 can be closed off to improve road safety. Other than the junctions
described in the previous section there will be no access provided between these
roads and the dualled N11.

Carawaystick

I spent hours searching for the abp case number without success.
but I was looking for an Bord Pleanala, rather than abp!
3rd hit

jd

This reminds me , there was an application to close the LILOs near the rugby club. What happened to this? I think the road parallel to the N11 (west side) becomes the R772, and then

An all-purpose local access road, to be designated
as the R772, will be provided on the western side of the N11 from Ballinaskea at
the north end of Arklow Bypass to Scratenagh and the proposed overbridge

medoc

jd wrote: »

Have a read of this earlier post by some eejit
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=84407126&postcount=562

Thanks for that. I missed that when originally posted. So it looks like it could/will be designated as motorway. Makes sense.

jd

Motorway re-designation will be up to The Minister
(from a year ago)

Dear Mr Eejit who bothers sending correspondence to us ,

Thank you for your [latest] enquiry.
The new section of N11 will be dual carriageway and of sufficient standard to be re-designated as motorway. There are no plans for re-designation at present. The route of the new road is to the west of the Ballinameesda bends; the Coillte access will be from the existing N11 which will be re-designated as a Regional Road when the new section is opened to traffic.


Regards,
N11 Arklow-Rathnew PPP Ltd

josip

A friend who's a roads engineer, told me a few weeks ago that it would be normal to try to schedule the earth moving for the summer months.
Not because of the longer evenings, but because the dryer soil will allow for faster progress than if they tried to tackle it in the spring.

fred funk }{

josip wrote: »

A friend who's a roads engineer, told me a few weeks ago that it would be normal to try to schedule the earth moving for the summer months.
Not because of the longer evenings, but because the dryer soil will allow for faster progress than if they tried to tackle it in the spring.

Makes perfect sense. They're flying along now.

murphaph

I hope they don't open it as all purpose and redesignate it a few weeks later. That would be a shocking waste of money.

ITDept

This has probably been answered previously but I can't find the answer:
Will there be a toll on the new road?

I tried searching the NRA site and Googling but I didn't find a definite answer.

Thanks.

L1011

ITDept wrote: »

This has probably been answered previously but I can't find the answer:
Will there be a toll on the new road?

I tried searching the NRA site and Googling but I didn't find a definite answer.

Thanks.

No.

spacetweek

murphaph wrote: »

I hope they don't open it as all purpose and redesignate it a few weeks later. That would be a shocking waste of money.

Yes, it's important that if they're going to redesignate that they get it done a few months before the road opens so the right signs can be done up.

underwaterdog

MYOB wrote: »

No.

I think eventually there probably will be a toll

L1011

underwaterdog wrote: »

I think eventually there probably will be a toll

Extremely unlikely.

D.L.R.

spacetweek wrote: »

Yes, it's important that if they're going to redesignate that they get it done a few months before the road opens so the right signs can be done up.

I would be appalled if they wasted money on short lived green signage, in this age of austerity. Surely they won't, but who knows with this country.

Lead by example please govt.

VR6

Anyone got any new pics of the roadworks ? It's been weeks since any have been posted.
Surely there must have been some progress worth reporting ?

I'm not in Ireland often so cannot get a look.

BigMoose

I've not got any pictures, but in the last couple of weeks earth works do seem to have progressed between the Beehive and Barndarrig. I'll try and take some photo's next time I'm going passed and not the driver

jd

I drove down last weekend, no pics. Hard to see while driving, but I think some heavy work been done on northern end. Also work near Arklow bypass, maybe for the new distributor road? There are some road graders (I think that's what they are called) on site now too.

Similar to these yokes

VR6

Thanks for the update guys.

vickers209

Update from website

N11 Update
Section A – N11 Arklow/Rathnew

Traffic Management Updates

TM Requirements for June 2014:



Section A

Site Accesses A2(Ch1400), A3(Ch3450), C3(Ch8400), D2(Ch12650), G1(Ch15600) and G2(Ch14500)
Plant Crossings on Side Roads throughout Section A to be in operation
Temporary realignment of L95114



Section B

Lane 1 and H.S. Closure for Gantry Installation



Section C

Existing H/S on northbound and southbound carriages will remain closed as is the current situation with the exception of some barriers being relocated throughout the works to allow ramps to be constructed. To relocate the barriers we will require slow lane closures for periods during the days in question. Slow lane closures may also be required for edge planning and kerb works.
M11 motorway will be closed on the night 14th /15th June 2014 between 19:00 and 06:00 in order to install beams onto the new over-bridge.



O&M

Lane 2 mobile and static lane closures N/B and S/B in order to carry out grass cutting to the Arklow Bypass median
H/S mobile and static lane closures in order to carry out routine maintenance and grass cutting to the verges of Section B.
Other TM may be used as and when required for the repair of defects, inspections and emergency response.
Filter drain remedial works
Topsoiling and verge works
Seeding

fred funk }{

VR6 wrote: »

Anyone got any new pics of the roadworks ? It's been weeks since any have been posted.
Surely there must have been some progress worth reporting ?

I'm not in Ireland often so cannot get a look.

I have a 10 min video clip from my dash cam that I'll post up tomorrow. Nothing too exciting but it'll give you a little glimpse of the works.

josip

Took these at the weekend heading south at various points.
Camera phone + moving car = poor detail

VR6

Nice pics Josip. Are these taken from around the halfway mark ?

josip

Top pic is taken from just before the Tap (I'll miss those bends)
The next one with the VW is shortly after the Barndarrig Station.
The next one is along the longer of the overtaking straights before Jack Whites, not much going on along there since it was marked out.

Next 2 are of the bridge over the RedCross river just before Scratenagh cross, DTE Timber Frames and Trusses.

The remainder are on the run up to the end of the Arklow dual carriageway bypass.

I've probably driven that road 300 times and had to refer to Google Maps for most of the above place names

vickers209

Few more pictures work is coming along nicely now:D

Gorey service area new bridge





Arklow end of bypass they have took away the ditch to reveal the old road that was used before the arklow bypass was built this will be connected to a new side road running beside the new dual carriageway when completed by looks of it









Not much happening between here and jack whites i noticed that they have laid ballast stones as if they are going to make a new roadway and divert traffic off the current road just before scratenagh cross heading south towards arklow and again after barndarrig no pics of this sorry.

Before barndarrig







Lil Doyles





Noticed at the bends there RE-taring the main road seems a waste as in a year this will be a back road.





Work seems to be progressing well at beehive too didn't get any pictures

vicwatson

When is the expected completion date of this project? I thought 2016 but had read it was ahead of schedule and now late 2015 ??

josip

This time last year they thought Autumn next year
http://www.cisireland.com/projectdescription.aspx?id=985
but they've been coy about the completion date since the beginning of this year. 2 things are certain

1. It will be completed before the next General Election
2. It will be brought in "on time" and "under budget"

Poochie05

Coming down to Wexford last night and there was stop/go between Barndarrig and Jack White's for resurfacing and they were digging out cats' eyes.

vickers209

Few more pictures
Possible new road to allow works to be carried out on current road past barndarrig



Another temp road layout before scratenagh cross maybe



Arklow end of bypass








Notice The new base for bridge at jackwhites



Bridge behind the tap







At the Beehive works starting on a bridge too







Looking towards Ballinameesda from beehive

Poochie05

Poochie05 wrote: »

Coming down to Wexford last night and there was stop/go between Barndarrig and Jack White's for resurfacing and they were digging out cats' eyes.

Bit puzzled trying to work out what this was for. It appears to be that all they did was resurface and remark the road between Barndarrig and Jack White's, although the new markings are now double white lines, sometimes broken on either side for overtaking, etc. and they put cats' eyes in to match new markings. I'm sure it's all part of the master plan but just wondering if anyone knows which part?
I presume upgrading what will become the R road is part of the contract, so maybe they're doing this now, but seems a bit early...

Not a road builder so haven't a clue, just a curious interested party as I travel this road quite a bit

vickers209

Poochie05 wrote: »

Bit puzzled trying to work out what this was for. It appears to be that all they did was resurface and remark the road between Barndarrig and Jack White's, although the new markings are now double white lines, sometimes broken on either side for overtaking, etc. and they put cats' eyes in to match new markings. I'm sure it's all part of the master plan but just wondering if anyone knows which part?
I presume upgrading what will become the R road is part of the contract, so maybe they're doing this now, but seems a bit early...

Not a road builder so haven't a clue, just a curious interested party as I travel this road quite a bit

Was wondering same myself seems a bit of a waste of money considering it will be an R772 in a years time with only local traffic on it

jd

Possibly they'll do the new R road first, so traffic can use it while they work on the new DC?

vickers209

Work Flying along now and the first tar has been laid for a new road layout heading south past barndarrig











Jack Whites Bridge

flat 2 the.....

Is there any reason why they are going so fast on the construction of this road

Geogregor

flat 2 the..... wrote: »

Is there any reason why they are going so fast on the construction of this road

It looks like a fairly reasonable pace but nothing out of the ordinary. Weather is good, days are long, so work goes ahead.

badgerbroc11

Map of new diversion which will be in place early August. This will impact traffic.

Kilmurry Diversion – 197

badgerbroc11

Map of diversion which will take place from later in August.

I wonder how long these will be in place for?

lottpaul

I drove past this - the Kilmurray diversion - last week and it is really going to slow traffic, especially at peak times. The carriageway seems narrow enough, there is no shoulder to allow for breakdowns, punctures etc and at that time there was no barrier to prevent anyone skidding off into the earthworks. (I presume a barrier will have to be put in place?)

The other diversion in Barndarrig seemed to be progressing well enough - I presume it has to finish before the school reopens in September. If not there are going to be a lot of happy local kids and an equal number of unhappy parents