M11 - Arklow to Rathnew

Badabing

jesus im dizzy!

jd

motorwaycrazy wrote: »

Sorry but what is the M11 GAP. newlands cross I know but the n11 gap i dont. can someone fill me in.

Going South, the Rathnew by-pass is motorway, then it is a a two lane road before you come to the Arklow-Gorey motorway section. This two lane road includes the notorious Ballinameesda Bends (google them)

thedarkroom

MotorwayMadness, great set of posts there.
I presume the N11 gap is the section of road form the end of the Rathnew ByPass to the start of the Arklow ByPass, that's how I understood it anyway.
I would be very happy to put up with the disruption of the upgrade of this section sooner rather than later.
I've been driving the N11 daily since before the Arklow bypass but it was worth the disruption. The summer months driving through Arklow on a bank holiday weekend was painful and I used to regularly take the fridays off if I could rather than drive on the roads on the busiest days of the year.
Same with the Ashford/Rathnew works. Now let's get rid of the final bottleneck and be done with it before I retire.
I even remember before the Bray bypass when all traffic heading to the South East used to drive through Bray. It was madness.
Your other comments about driver behaviour are spot on, so many people just have no regard for other users. I have regularly seen people stopped on the side of the motorway (illegal) and then pull out in to traffic in first gear causing others to swerve in to the overtaking lane to avoid one accident and nearly cause another. Why can't people merge properly when joining a motorway using a slip road, they just barge out in to the traffic at a ridiculously low speed and make everyone take evasive action. Traffic on the main road has right of way.
What is it with some people that they try their damnest to prevent anyone from changing lanes. I've seen people nearly go in to the rear of the car ahead rather than let someone change over to the overtaking lane.
Why do some people only get in to the left lane to take their next exit at the very last minute and the exit lane is nearly gone past.
The list is as long as it is ridiculous, the term 'Motorway Madness' was not invented for nothing.
(Ooops, gone off topic there . . . )

Quadra

BAM Balfour Beatty and GASTA roads have been shortlisted for by the National Roads Authority for Ireland's Eu180 million N11 Arklow to Rathnew road PPP project.

Posted on May 18 at:

http://www.projectfinancemagazine.com/Article/2574874/Sectors-Transport/Two-through-to-BAFO-for-N11-road-PPP.html

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Sponge Bob

Gasta is

Global Via Infraestructuras S. A.
Macquarie Capital Group Limited
P.Elliott & Company Ltd
Wills Bros Ltd

Chris_5339762

Great, BAM, the slowest crowd in the world. Think their bit of the M9. Not what we need on Newlands. Get Wills on the job.

L1011

Did I not see elsewhere that GASTA also had Jons in it? Jons did the N4 Newcastle scheme - similar in terms of traffic management issues - and did it very well.

PoolDude

Open for the Dublin influx in Summer 2012 - or is that too ambitious?

Wild Bill

PoolDude wrote: »

Open for the Dublin influx in Summer 2012 - or is that too ambitious?

Too ambitious: Newlands start say Q1 2011 - it will take minimum two years and the NRA thinks closer to three.

jd

PoolDude wrote: »

Open for the Dublin influx in Summer 2012 - or is that too ambitious?

Depending how they schedule the build maybe they can take out most of the bad, dangerous stretch fairly quickly? Has anyone a detailed map of the scheme?

Wild Bill

Oh...you folk are talking about the M11. That is possible..just about. :cool:

Sponge Bob

Wills will have done the M6 ballinsaloe ahhloane and N18 gort - crusheen and both in under two years but they may be facing into a quiet spell and in no mad rush to finish , that and the CBM needs laying when it ain't frosty.

Summer 2012, I don't think so. If it opened for the October bank holidy in 2012 it would be a great job.

Amtmann

Wild Bill wrote: »

Too ambitious: Newlands start say Q1 2011 - it will take minimum two years and the NRA thinks closer to three.

The NRA thinks closer to three - but remember, all schemes (bar ones routed over bogs of doom) come in well ahead of the NRA's forecast these days. Makes 'em look good.

123easy

How far is it behind Gort to Tuam and Arklow Rathnew in the PPP process? Personally I think a much smaller and more efficiently shaped bypass around the town would have done the job. The current proposal seems a bit extravagant given that the country is broke

Chris_5339762

Probably 6 months (guess??). It got delayed a bit cos New Ross was disconnected from it for a while as Sweetman had his little tirade in the courts. When he was sent out to pasture it was re-joined. Delayed pre-tendering by a bit.

Wild Bill

Clearly the anti-roads folk are not too worried about the state of the country's finances!

Following the bypass wars in England (Swampy etc) they reckoned they could stop the development of an infrastructure here by "raising the cost" so that projects were abandoned.

This was a stated goal in the mid-90s when they started to camp out in the Glen of the Downs.

Sadly for them, the Celtic Tiger eventually overwhelmed them (after an appalling delay by the authorities) and it was them were spent into oblivion .

Re the N11 - the lesson of the M50 billions lost is that if you are going to do it, do it right. Now is a good time to build - not when the economy is over-heating again.

Which it will, some day. :cool:

jd

From
http://www.taoiseach.gov.ie/eng/Government_Press_Office/Taoiseach%27s_Press_Releases_2010/Leaflet_-_Capital_Expenditure_Review.pdf

I presume this means the "N11 Gap" between Arklow and Rathnew will be completed. Possibly the Enniscorthy B y Pass as well,

Continued investment in the
remaining road networks will include
completion of the major inter-urban
routes, progression of the Atlantic
Corridor, the N11, the cross-border
route linking Dublin to Derry and
Donegal and other strategic routes.

Amtmann

Thread split.

Bullseye1

jd wrote: »

From
http://www.taoiseach.gov.ie/eng/Government_Press_Office/Taoiseach%27s_Press_Releases_2010/Leaflet_-_Capital_Expenditure_Review.pdf

I presume this means the "N11 Gap" between Arklow and Rathnew will be completed. Possibly the Enniscorthy B y Pass as well,

Hopefully so as its one of the most dangerous stretches of road in the country.

Chris_5339762

Enniscorthy shouldnt be touched for now, the M11 gap and Newlands is the most important scheme in the country. No way that Enniscorthy should be given another thought until the M20 is done.

weehamster

Chris_5339762 wrote: »

No way that Enniscorthy should be given another thought until the M20 is done.

The Enniscorthy by-pass is being done with the New Ross by-pass as a single PPP to make to more attractive. So one can't be built without the other. Now these 2 towns are major bottlenecks, particularly for HGV's.

Normally when there is little cash around, a cheaper short-term alternative is given (i.e. relief roads) until the main by-pass can be done (like Mitchelstown). Unfortunately a relief road would be uneconomical due to the surrounding lay of the land, so only a main by-pass is the worth while.

These 2 towns are on 2 main routes , the N11(E01) Dublin to Rosslare and the N25 also to Rosslare. So the common theme here is Rosslare.

Please forgive me but I just don't see how 2 vital routes to one of the major ports to and from Europe is not more important than the M20 (though I do acknowledge that the M20 is really needed).

Chris_5339762

New Ross is needed I grant that, but Enniscorthy is only being done to make it a decent PPP package. There are far more deserving schemes out there

In hindsight, maybe a PPP package of Waterford and New Ross bypasses should have been done together. Two bridges in one scheme, would be better use of the bridge builders perhaps??

marathont

Chris_5339762 wrote: »

New Ross is needed I grant that, but Enniscorthy is only being done to make it a decent PPP package. There are far more deserving schemes out there

In hindsight, maybe a PPP package of Waterford and New Ross bypasses should have been done together. Two bridges in one scheme, would be better use of the bridge builders perhaps??

I dont see why New Ross would be more deserving than Enniscorthy, Id imagine the n11 is a busier road.

Amtmann

Lads! I didn't spend four hours last week splitting the M11 threads so you could talk about the Enniscorthy Bypass in the Arklow-Rathnew thread.

PoolDude

Anybody got any new info on the status of the Rathnew to Arklow scheme?

Amtmann

The NRA will announce the contractor on 22 October and the contract will be signed in December, pending DoT approval.

Murtinho

bad accident at the beehive,southgoing on friday morning, a megane in bits, didnt hear of any deaths, anyone hear anything. Hope to god they sort out that bit of road asap.

lottpaul

Murtinho wrote: »

bad accident at the beehive,southgoing on friday morning, a megane in bits, didnt hear of any deaths, anyone hear anything. Hope to god they sort out that bit of road asap.

Drivers of both cars taken to hospital but no life threatening injuries. Tailbacks of traffic for miles in both directions and no right turn for northbound traffic at the Beehive. Sadly there are near misses at this junction on a daily basis as traffic tries to cross the N11. Hope the missing link begins soon.

Murtinho

jesus, im amazzed the megane driver survived, says something about the safety of Renaults, for all their faults!

thedarkroom

lottpaul wrote: »

Drivers of both cars taken to hospital but no life threatening injuries. Tailbacks of traffic for miles in both directions and no right turn for northbound traffic at the Beehive. Sadly there are near misses at this junction on a daily basis as traffic tries to cross the N11. Hope the missing link begins soon.

I'm always amazed that there aren't more accidents here when you consider the layout and location - a major crossroads approached by a fast sweeping bend form the north and a long wide fast stretch from the south. I constantly see cars pull out on to the road without stopping and without using the merging lanes and regularly see cars/trucks overtaking on the junction box.

It's gross negligence on the part of the authorities and government that this junction and stretch of road has not been corrected yet. While I know the current finances are dire, when times were good the allocation for here was misdirected elsewhere despite the number of deaths between the two by-passes.
How many years has this been going on?

spacetweek

Furet wrote: »

The NRA will announce the contractor on 22 October and the contract will be signed in December, pending DoT approval.

Good to see this going ahead since there was so much talk there about the PPP process maybe not working out for us.

Chin up, soldiers!

Wild Bill

spacetweek wrote: »

Good to see this going ahead since there was so much talk there about the PPP process maybe not working out for us.

Chin up, soldiers!

My chin is up more in hope than expectation....:(

Bullseye1

I hope this road is started and soon. There is a huge amount of accidents on this stretch of road.

Road-Hog

spacetweek wrote: »

Good to see this going ahead since there was so much talk there about the PPP process maybe not working out for us.

Chin up, soldiers!

So will we be hearing the perferred bidder today some time on this project????

jd

No press release today then..

Wild Bill

I've seen two major accidents through Kilmacanogue (N11) the past two weeks. Bad one this morning. Three cars and a tractor. At the service station exit which crosses the exit ramp southbound.

On the northbound side we have a bus terminus at the point where the on-slip-road meets another service station exit.

If you were to award designing roads to cause accidents this layout would win an Oscar. :mad:

serfboard

Wild Bill wrote: »

If you were to award designing roads to cause accidents this layout would win an Oscar. :mad:

But, according to you, traffic volumes rather than road safety should be the priority in improving roads, whereas in fact, safety should be the priority. However slow certain roads may be, at least people aren't being killed on them, unlike on this stretch.

Which is why, were it up to me to prioritise, this stretch of the M11 would get priority over the M17/18, even though the latter would suit me better. Noel Dempsey stated that safety was going to be the priority when deciding where to fund road-spending - but I don't see much evidence of it.

nordydan

Wild Bill wrote: »

I've seen two major accidents through Kilmacanogue (N11) the past two weeks. Bad one this morning. Three cars and a tractor. At the service station exit which crosses the exit ramp southbound. :mad:

Say no more, absolute disgrace

Wild Bill

serfboard wrote: »

But, according to you, traffic volumes rather than road safety should be the priority in improving roads

Indeed, and I still do. No "but" applicable! What I was commenting on here is how a virtually new road was designed without any apparent regard for safety. Different thing.

serfboard wrote: »

Noel Dempsey stated that safety was going to be the priority when deciding where to fund road-spending - but I don't see much evidence of it.

Thankfully. As I have also said earlier Dempsey is the token twit in a Government of cynics.

And I'd cite me rather as providing further reasons, on grounds of congestion alone, the Kilmac (N11) section back to J14 (M50 Sandyford) could do with being upgraded.

The mess (newly built) at Kilmac actually causes daily congestion - and not only due to the accidents.

Who thought of putting a major bus terminus (Route 145) in the hard shoulder of an on-ramp?

Amtmann

Road-Hog wrote: »

So will we be hearing the perferred bidder today some time on this project????

jd wrote: »

No press release today then..

The NRA PPP department informed me the announcement would be made last Friday (22 October). Didn't happen.

jd

Furet wrote: »

The NRA PPP department informed me the announcement would be made last Friday (22 October). Didn't happen.

I've sent a query in to the NRA (email) - no reply as of yet. Hope nothing is up with the PPP funding...

jd

Rang again - announcement is "imminent". They hope to have approval by end of year and get scheme started early new year

PoolDude

Any further updates JD?

Wild Bill

PoolDude wrote: »

Any further updates JD?

Well, it's a step up from Godot. Not only is it coming but it is permanently imminent. :cool:

jd

PoolDude wrote: »

Any further updates JD?

Vague

show details 9 Nov (8 days ago)
Dear jd,

Thank you for your email.

It is anticipated that the preferred tenderer for the Arklow to Rathnew scheme will be announced later this year.

Regards,

Programme Administrator

National Roads Authority, St. Martin's House,
Waterloo Road, Dublin 4.
Tel. 00 353 1 660 2511.

jd

Looks like go ahead from dept of transport today

http://www.transport.ie/pressRelease.aspx?Id=257

What road projects will proceed in 2011?
· NRA will go ahead with the planned 2011 starts and have adequate money for rehabilitation and minor works.
· Starts include Belturbet / N5 Longford/ Tralee bypasses and the Cork Southern Ring Road junctions.
· Two PPP projects will also start in 2011 - the M17/18 Gort – Tuam PPP and M11/Newlands Cross PPP bypasses.
· Purchase of land for service areas and expressions of interest from developers

Bullseye1

Good news if it does indeed start in 2011.:D

iwo

How long will this take them to connect arklow with rathnew ? Omg this is sweet news!

thedarkroom

iwo wrote: »

How long will this take them to connect arklow with rathnew ? Omg this is sweet news!

I have fifteen years to retirement, I might just still be around for the official opening. (The eternal sceptic)

Bullseye1

iwo wrote: »

How long will this take them to connect arklow with rathnew ? Omg this is sweet news!

If started next year i would say 2-3 years max.