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M11 - Arklow to Rathnew
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You'd be surprised the number of people that don't like motorways.
We should keep things simple - to avoid the motorway take the R772,
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- take the R772, except at the Beehive take the R751, then the R750 in Wicklow to rejoin the R772 in Rathnew
Try taking the non-motorway alternative to the A1 (M) from Newcastle/Gateshead to Leeds. A good chunk of it is the A167 (the old, mostly single-carriageway, some dual-carriageway A1) but that route doesn't bring you all the way to Leeds and there isn't one clearly signed and numbered non-motorway alternative route instead of the A1 (M)/A1 south of its junction with the M1.
For all the cribbing that's done here, the Irish authorities have managed to introduce a very sensible system whereby the old national routes are now largely signposted as regional routes, with these regional routes extending for the greater part of the distance along the former national routes.
That is not the case in the UK where there is no clearly signed alternative to motorways along many routes extending to nearly the entire length of the route, and a large chunk of the A5 (the old, non-motorway alternative for traffic from London to Birmingham, then west towards Holyhead) has disappeared from signposts with a huge gap in the A5 numbering between the northern edge of London and Bedfordshire.
If you look at the M74/A74 (M) in Scotland you'll find much the same (along with a route that has two numbers depending on which section you're on!).
There's too much moaning on this site and too little realisation that Ireland is actually way ahead of many other countries when it comes to road numbering.
Count yere blessings and quit moaning the whole time. Or else!
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marmurr1916 wrote: »
For all the cribbing that's done here, the Irish authorities have managed to introduce a very sensible system whereby the old national routes are now largely signposted as regional routes, with these regional routes extending for the greater part of the distance along the former national routes.
Count yere blessings and quit moaning the whole time. Or else!
The UK road numbering system is daft and chaotic - not an excuse for us with a much simpler network not to get it consistently right.
The LA/NRA between them, by any standard, have done a terrible job in terms of creating/signposting/"branding" the alternative route to the M11 between NTMK and the Beehive.
We should not accept that just because some things are worse somewhere else. :mad:0 -
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It's gas that our signage of alternative routes is so good when we have a motorway network regularly filled with pedestrians, cyclists and tractors, and nothing done about it eithermarmurr1916 wrote: »Try taking the non-motorway alternative to the A1 (M) from Newcastle/Gateshead to Leeds. A good chunk of it is the A167 (the old, mostly single-carriageway, some dual-carriageway A1) but that route doesn't bring you all the way to Leeds and there isn't one clearly signed and numbered non-motorway alternative route instead of the A1 (M)/A1 south of its junction with the M1.
For all the cribbing that's done here, the Irish authorities have managed to introduce a very sensible system whereby the old national routes are now largely signposted as regional routes, with these regional routes extending for the greater part of the distance along the former national routes.
That is not the case in the UK where there is no clearly signed alternative to motorways along many routes extending to nearly the entire length of the route, and a large chunk of the A5 (the old, non-motorway alternative for traffic from London to Birmingham, then west towards Holyhead) has disappeared from signposts with a huge gap in the A5 numbering between the northern edge of London and Bedfordshire.
If you look at the M74/A74 (M) in Scotland you'll find much the same (along with a route that has two numbers depending on which section you're on!).
There's too much moaning on this site and too little realisation that Ireland is actually way ahead of many other countries when it comes to road numbering.
Count yere blessings and quit moaning the whole time. Or else!0 -
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BeepBeep67 wrote: »What gives you the impression that it's dangerous?
Plenty of cycling activity on it.
From a car driver perspective it is winding, narrow and (certainly at the moment) the hedges are, in typical Wickla Co Co fashion, completely unkempt and overgrown ruining any sight-lines such as there are.
You have no idea how much you depend on hyper-attentive drivers like me for your continued health
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