N/M11 motorway (for discussing COMPLETED sections)

nordydan

maclek wrote: »

This is really dangerous even at 60. Just force the traffic exiting the petrol station to to use the off ramp, put in some of the plastic barrier yokes.

I honestly cannot believe why this already hasn't happened.

I've nearly hit 3 cars in the last month at this garage. The problem is if you indicate too early they think you're heading into the garage and pull out. If you indicate too late, they think you're continuing along the N11 and head out anyway!!

thedarkroom

nordydan wrote: »

I honestly cannot believe why this already hasn't happened.

I've nearly hit 3 cars in the last month at this garage. The problem is if you indicate too early they think you're heading into the garage and pull out. If you indicate too late, they think you're continuing along the N11 and head out anyway!!

Any time I use this garage I always exit left and go up the ramp to join the N11 at the other exit as it is far too dangerous trying to pull out here. Even trying to get out of the garage to use the ramp is difficult at times. Some people seem just hell bent on not letting you and will accelerate rather than facilitate you. I can't understand how this crazy situation was ever allowed. That exit should have been moved further from the garage AND traffic exiting from there should be made use the ramp and join the dual carriage way at the far side. A crazy situation!

Stupido

It needs to be looked at again.

Local interest groups were responsible for the situation, afraid the village would die if there was not direct N11 access to the station. Likewise the northbound slips are not great either.

Ultimatly this will be redesignated motorway, so a bit of redesign is needed

loyatemu

Stupido wrote: »

Ultimatly this will be redesignated motorway, so a bit of redesign is needed

it'll never be redesignated motorway through Kilmac.

As others have said, the slip needs to be segregated right back as far as the lavender field and preferably there should be a rear exit from the service station leading to the flyover (though I'm not sure if there is space for this)

NFD100

Still on the N11 but a bit off topic... when are Wicklow Co Co going to put back the welcome to the county signs?

at Bray and coming in off the shiny new Gorey bypass, you wouldn't even know you were in Wicklow................

Badabing

Slightly off topic, i was driving on the Gorey by-pass heading south on sunday and going by the rest area /layby the amount of rubbish was a disgrace, why didn't the council provide at leat 1 bin for peope to use.

Carawaystick

Badabing wrote: »

Slightly off topic, i was driving on the Gorey by-pass heading south on sunday and going by the rest area /layby the amount of rubbish was a disgrace, why didn't the council provide at leat 1 bin for peope to use.

because the council would have to empty the bins if they provided them, while in theory, prosecuting people for littering would bring money into the council....

thedarkroom

Carawaystick wrote: »

because the council would have to empty the bins if they provided them, while in theory, prosecuting people for littering would bring money into the council....

Litter is always a contentious issue when it come to how to deal with it. If you leave bins out then it will attract litter. I know this sounds a bit odd but it is the case. If there are no bins then conscientious people will take their litter away with them but litter louts will litter anyway. If you put bins there, the litter louts will still litter anyway and others will use the bins for more than just their few sweet wrappers, etc. Other household rubbish will accumulate there as well. Litter bins will attract littering and it's not as simple as just emptying the bins regularly. It's a no win situation for everyone except for the litterers who will just dump regardless until they are caught and then they will do it elsewhere.
On the two layby on the Gorey ByPass the Council has installed CCTV's and have said that prosecutions are pending. It takes a while but eventually people will get the message not do dump there. Unfortunately they will just do it elsewhere instead. Just look at the woods in Courtown.
Look anywhere, in fact. Look at the streets in Gorey and you will see plenty of litter despite there being several bins along the street. Litterers don't use the bins because they don't care. It's someone else's problem, not theirs "so f**k off!!"
Have you ever challenged anyone for littering? Try it sometime and you will see what I mean.
Sorry for this rant, it's gone off the original thread. I didn't raise the topic but I hope I've answered the question. And before you ask, no I'm not a litter warden and I don't work for the Council. I've been involved in many community projects and have seen how litter 'works'.

Morgase

Badabing wrote: »

Slightly off topic, i was driving on the Gorey by-pass heading south on sunday and going by the rest area /layby the amount of rubbish was a disgrace, why didn't the council provide at leat 1 bin for peope to use.

I was driving southbound on Easter Sunday morning and the lay-by was full of caravans. They were gone when we drove back northbound that evening but I'm guessing they left behind a lot of rubbish.

thedarkroom

Morgase wrote: »

I was driving southbound on Easter Sunday morning and the lay-by was full of caravans. They were gone when we drove back northbound that evening but I'm guessing they left behind a lot of rubbish.

It's possible but, in fairness, litter is always bad there. There was an encampment set up on the old Arklow to Gorey road at parallel to the bypass and were there for several days. I dread to think what accumulated there.

bmaxi

Morgase wrote: »

I was driving southbound on Easter Sunday morning and the lay-by was full of caravans. They were gone when we drove back northbound that evening but I'm guessing they left behind a lot of rubbish.

The Council wouldn't put litter bins there because they said people would put litter in them.
I kid you not.

Chris_533976

Also the road is NRA controlled, not local council.

jd

I think they said it is not meant to be a picnic area. Why can't people bring their rubbish with them??

bmaxi

jd wrote: »

I think they said it is not meant to be a picnic area. Why can't people bring their rubbish with them??

Why indeed? I crossed the car park of the local church recently and saw a guy merrily tipping the contents of his ashtray out the car window as he drove out after Mass, it's a countrywide disease.
The only reason provision of litter bins at the rest area was being discussed was because there was a problem with litter. If the problem exists , take steps to address it. What's the point of waffling on about whether it is or isn't a picnic area, that's not going to stop the plastic bag blowing on to your windscreen.
Eventually the Community Warden went out and cleared the area and I think there are now plans to provide bins.

thedarkroom

jd wrote: »

I think they said it is not meant to be a picnic area. Why can't people bring their rubbish with them??

In an ideal world . . . . .

fred funk }{

Anybody hear that Rathnew/Arklow link got the go ahead. I was listening to Eastcoast radio yesterday and heard them talking about it but I can't find anything online.

Sponge Bob

Yes, this contract got the go ahead

http://www.etenders.gov.ie/search/show/search_view.aspx?ID=FEB113831

Chris_533976

Thats the delineation contract, and basically involves putting up signage poles preparing for (possible) redesignation.

jd

Motorway order was signed for this. I'd surmise that the Gorey Bypass has been given the nod for redesignation

http://www.wexford.ie/wex/Departments/Roads/News/Name,8679,en.html

The County Wexford National Road Programme under Transport 21 took another major step forward today (Tuesday 2nd June), when the Motorway Order for the M11 Gorey to Enniscorthy Scheme was signed. Under this order the necessary lands for the 39 km of new roads will be acquired.

BluntGuy

jd wrote: »

I'd surmise that the Gorey Bypass has been given the nod for redesignation

Nope. Minister Dempsey only got the papers a week or two ago.

Give it at least a month I reckon.

D.L.R.

BluntGuy wrote: »

Nope. Minister Dempsey only got the papers a week or two ago.

Can someone explain to me why the transport minister has only just received tranche #2, which was publicly released in October 2008?

Carawaystick

D.L.R. wrote: »

Can someone explain to me why the transport minister has only just received tranche #2, which was publicly released in October 2008?

this is noel dempsey, see how up to speed he is on the passenger train service to navan.......

jd

I think there is a period of consultation when the general public, developers, councillors etc can make submissions and when that is over the the dept presents the papers to the minister

PoolDude

Anyone notice the new polls on the Gorey bypass - are they for the M signs?

Also anyone hear anymore on the status of the PPP schemes, particularly the 2 N11 ones?

Tech3

PoolDude wrote: »

Anyone notice the new polls on the Gorey bypass - are they for the M signs?

These are put up for new ADS signage and have been seen around the country. The reason there is no sign on it yet is because the NRA are waiting for Noel Dempsey to sign off the motorway redesignations so it will be either the N11 or M11 that will be put up. Its all up to Noel Dempsey at the minute and you might be waiting a while to see what happens :rolleyes:

Also anyone hear anymore on the status of the PPP schemes, particularly the 2 N11 ones?

See here: http://www.nra.ie/Publications/DownloadableDocumentation/PublicPrivatePartnership/file,16119,en.pdf

They are put in line to go out to tender but we wont know until next year when the financial crisis might be coming to an end hopefully to see if any of these get funding.

PoolDude

The below sections of the N11 become Motorway on August 28th

SECTIONS OF NATIONAL ROADS AND PROPOSED ROAD
DEVELOPMENTS DECLARED AS MOTORWAYS UNDER THIS
ORDER

Reference in this Schedule to—
N followed by a number is a reference to a national road
R followed by a number is a reference to a regional road


N11 — Ashford to Rathnew
The section of the N11 between its junction with the R772 at Kilmartin and
its junction with the R772 at Ballynabarney, via the townlands of Rathmore,
Mountusher, Rossanna Lower and Ballybeg, all in the county of Wicklow.


N11 — Arklow Bypass
The section of the N11 between its junction with the R772 at Templerainey
and its junction with the R772 at Cooladangan, via the townlands of Kilbride,
Ballyraine Middle, Ballyraine Upper and Kish, all in the county of Wicklow.


N11 — Arklow to Gorey (also known as the N11 Gorey to Arklow Link)
The section of the N11 between its junction with the R772 at Cooladangan in
the county of Wicklow and its junction with the R772 at Ballinclay in the county
of Wexford, via the townlands of Ashwood Upper, Ballyellin, Inch, Tinnock
Lower, Toberduff, Courteencurragh, Raheenagurren West, Coolnastudd and
Clogh, in the county of Wexford.


Looks like it will end up Motorway from Kilmartin to Oilgate once the next two sections are started/completed.
Anyone know where the R772 at Kilmartin is?

BTW: Just looking at my 1st post on this thread in 2004 - good progress in the last 5 years it has to be said.

jd

http://www.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&q=Kilmartin,+County+Wicklow,+Republic+of+Ireland&sll=52.915527,-6.108398&sspn=1.139457,2.458191&ie=UTF8&cd=2&geocode=FWh4KQMdzQmj_w&split=0&ll=53.044928,-6.088915&spn=0.017751,0.038409&t=h&z=15

I guess M designation will begin at junction between Cullenmore and Courtfoyle on map linked to above

loyatemu

PoolDude wrote: »

Anyone know where the R772 at Kilmartin is?

coming from Dublin its the first junction for Ashford (it will be J14 I think)

Looking at the map now, the R772 actually continues north from here through Newtown to Kilquade - given that the Newtown bypass is grade-seperated and has no private accesses onto it, I'm surprised they didn't extend the redesignation north to the Garden Village junction (future J12) - I had assumed it was due to a lack of an alternative route, but the R772 provides that (though part of it may be fairly narrow).

csd

Loyatemu, there are two bus stops on the mainline carriageway on the section you're referring to (north of where the redesignation begins). Maybe they couldn't/didn't want to remove these...

/csd

loyatemu

actually looking at the Wikipedia page for the R772 (I can't believe someone is putting up pages for minor regional roads, but still...)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R772_road

even though the road is continuous thru Ashford and Newtown, they've used some very narrow country lanes to do this, so its not really suitable as an "alternate route" (though this does raise the question of how it can be considered appropriate for a regional road):

Zoney

Seems odd to try to join disparate parts of the R772 together with any old road. After all the R445 has had seperate bits for years (e.g. through Kildare, nothing between Portlaoise and Roscrea, Roscrea main roads, nothing between Roscrea and Nenagh, Nenagh main roads, nothing between Nenagh and Limerick) although it will be continuous Limerick-Dublin eventually.

I find it worrying that I have number of R roads memorized now. People find it odd enough to know all the N roads and even motorways (despite the relatively few there are - most people wouldn't know beyond ones they use).

dollybird09

So driving from Enniscorthy to Dublin and I notice the signs now say M11 from the Clogh Roundabout....

100kph/120kph????

jd

It will be 120-on aug 28th. Speed limit signs will probably be last to change

Carawaystick

Only noticed today, the northbound section through Kilmacanogue, the limit is increased to 80km/h and the limit goes back up to 100 at the gore of the turn for the Avoca shop, instead of at the onmerge.

Southbound the speedlimit goes back up to 100 north of the overbridge, where it used to be south of here.

And I think the 80 limit northbound through the Glen of the Downs was gone, not completely sure but didn't notice the 80km/h signs.

Also the start of the northern section of M11 is signposted and speedlimited from the gore for the Fassaroe/Bray instead of after the onmerge.



The middle section of M11 is fairly short, I wonder if there couldn't be some arrangement to have the higher limit on the Newtown bypass, with restrictions for the part with no alternative route from Newtown to Cullenmore.
Have any other motorways three or more sections? the M9 maybe.

Stark

Excellent. I've heard these speed limit changes were in the works for some time, wasn't sure when they'd get round to them.

Carawaystick wrote:

And I think the 80 limit northbound through the Glen of the Downs was gone, not completely sure but didn't notice the 80km/h signs.

Yup, that was part of the plan.

L1011

Carawaystick wrote: »

The middle section of M11 is fairly short, I wonder if there couldn't be some arrangement to have the higher limit on the Newtown bypass, with restrictions for the part with no alternative route from Newtown to Cullenmore.
Have any other motorways three or more sections? the M9 maybe.

Not yet but the M9 may have three seperate sections, Kilcullen, Carlow and down at the Waterford end for a bit. M6 is in two sections. M1 and M8 have been broken up before, definitely was 3 on the M1 once - Airport, Balbriggan and Dunleer BPs

Carawaystick

I suppose the M9'll eventually be all one, the M11'll always be in at least 2 parts.

PoolDude

first timer wrote: »

Well at least there moving on this project be a long time yet though

http://www.etenders.gov.ie/search/show/search_view.aspx?ID=MAY118733

Anybody hear if/how this is progressing?

Victor

Moved to Infrastructure.

PoolDude

PoolDude wrote: »

Anybody hear if/how this is progressing?

Guess not

Amtmann

PoolDude, see here: http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055686254

Carawaystick

Carawaystick wrote: »

Only noticed today, the northbound section through Kilmacanogue, the limit is increased to 80km/h and the limit goes back up to 100 at the gore of the turn for the Avoca shop, instead of at the onmerge.

Southbound the speedlimit goes back up to 100 north of the overbridge, where it used to be south of here.

And I think the 80 limit northbound through the Glen of the Downs was gone, not completely sure but didn't notice the 80km/h signs.

Also the start of the northern section of M11 is signposted and speedlimited from the gore for the Fassaroe/Bray instead of after the onmerge.

Suppose what they give on one hand they take on t'other. The 80kmh limit at Barndarrig was extended south to where the Minibus crash that killed 5 people some years back occurred. So Lil Doyles and Darcy's Petrol Station are now in the new lower limit. There are also what appear to be temporary 50 signs ( They'll presumably light up for the temporary limit) around the junction near Lil Doyles.

A lot of Scrub was cleared either on the site or right beside it south of Jack Whites, in two places, one west of the existing road and another east of the road opposite the roof truss engineering place.

PoolDude

Are you referring to the original clearnance work or has their been recent activity? I doubt much can happen till the tenders are complete and awarded unless the Co.Co are trying to keep it tidy until then.

Carawaystick

It was around about the 6th of this month, round the time I posted here.

I couldn't see if it was on the land cpo'd for the road or between that land and the existing road.

tylercheribini

yeah i noticed that ground clearance work also,on my daily trip to college. as mentioned previously above tho,tenders have not even gone out for the n11 upgrade project,i noticed today on the way back a sign saying roadworks on the 28th of sept jus before lil doyles...

PoolDude

Not sure what they are actually doing there - is it a bus stop?

Further down the clearance work still seems to be motoring ahead.

Sponge Bob

Clearing stuff like hedges and walls is cheap and improves sightlines and safety very dramatically on what is a dangerous stretch .....and most especially if you do not intend to build the M11 "missing link" for another 4 or 5 years anyway as would currently appear to be the case.

Irish and Proud

Sponge Bob wrote: »

Clearing stuff like hedges and walls is cheap and improves sightlines and safety very dramatically on what is a dangerous stretch .....and most especially if you do not intend to build the M11 "missing link" for another 4 or 5 years anyway as would currently appear to be the case.

Is that on the last remaining narrow S2 section (about 6.0-6.5m wide) that goes on for a mile or so? I know that a minor re-alignment (probably a NRA-DMRB-RS2 spec) was carried out near the Tap a couple of years back - it's the section between that and the Beehive I'm thinking about.

Regards!

Roryhy

From www.wicklow.ie-
Road works will commence on the N11 at Barndarrig on the 28th September. A two-way traffic management system will be in place for the duration of the works. Motorists are asked to be extra vigilant and familiarize themselves with the new temporary arrangements. The road works are necessary to facilitate the construction of pedestrian facilities at Barndarrig.

Dick Roches website also mentions road safety measures.

Carawaystick

Irish and Proud wrote: »

Is that on the last remaining narrow S2 section (about 6.0-6.5m wide) that goes on for a mile or so? I know that a minor re-alignment (probably a NRA-DMRB-RS2 spec) was carried out near the Tap a couple of years back - it's the section between that and the Beehive I'm thinking about.

Regards!

What I was talking about was on the WS2 section imediately north of the end of the Arklow bypass dual Carriageway and another section about 2km away also on WS2. The clearance was being done well off the route of the existing road, close to where the new road will be built. 50-100m off the existing road.

There were putting up what looked like temporary 50 kmh speed limit signs in Barndarrig back then, (the ones that light up a 50 limit at school time, every day not the type that's 50 for a few months)