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How do people still belive in God?

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    #92
    philologos
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    kjl wrote: »
    True, but this doesn't change the fact that a lot of lives have been lost in the name of religion. Therefore saying its harmless for people to believe in not true.

    Wouldn't it be more logical just to say that any cause when twisted for ones own intent and purpose can be harmful?

    Just because something can be twisted doesn't mean that something is inherently harmful?

    (I found it via the front page of boards actually :pac:)


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    #93
    caseyann
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    kjl wrote: »
    True, but this doesn't change the fact that a lot of lives have been lost in the name of religion. Therefore saying its harmless for people to believe in not true.

    Thats human fault not religion.


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    #94
    epgc3fyqirnbsx
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    Jakkas, I'm not slagging your beliefs, like I said such belief gives people a lot of comfort and can be a very good thing.

    What I have issues with is peolle believing in texts that were written by man, not God (would you believe me if I said I talked to a burning bush etc)

    So I have to ask you what you think of the following
    Dr. Laura Schlessinger is a radio personality who dispenses advice to people who call in to her radio show. Recently, she said that, as an observant Orthodox Jew, homosexuality is an abomination according to Leviticus 18:22 and cannot be condoned under any circumstance. The following is an open letter to Dr. Laura penned by a east coast resident, which was posted on the Internet. It's funny, as well as informative:

    Dear Dr. Laura:

    Thank you for doing so much to educate people regarding God's Law. I have learned a great deal from your show, and try to share that knowledge with as many people as I can. When someone tries to defend the homosexual lifestyle, for example, I simply remind them that Leviticus 18:22 clearly states it to be an abomination. End of debate. I do need some advice from you, however, regarding some of the other specific laws and how to follow them:

    When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a pleasing odor for the Lord - Lev.1:9. The problem is my neighbors. They claim the odor is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them?

    I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in Exodus 21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her?

    I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her period of menstrual uncleanliness - Lev.15:19- 24. The problem is, how do I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offense.

    Lev. 25:44 states that I may indeed possess slaves, both male and female, provided they are purchased from neighboring nations. A friend of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not Canadians. Can you clarify? Why can't I own Canadians?

    I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2 clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself?

    A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an abomination - Lev. 11:10, it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality. I don't agree. Can you settle this?

    Lev. 21:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading glasses. Does my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle room here?

    Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair around their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by Lev. 19:27. How should they die?

    I know from Lev. 11:6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes me unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves?

    My uncle has a farm. He violates Lev. 19:19 by planting two different crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing garments made of two different kinds of thread (cotton/polyester blend). He also tends to curse and blaspheme a lot. Is it really necessary that we go to all the trouble of getting the whole town together to stone them? - Lev.24:10-16. Couldn't we just burn them to death at a private family affair like we do with people who sleep with their in-laws? (Lev. 20:14)

    I know you have studied these things extensively, so I am confident you can help. Thank you again for reminding us that God's word is eternal and unchanging.

    Your devoted fan,
    Jim

    http://www.humanistsofutah.org/2002/WhyCantIOwnACanadian_10-02.html


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    #95
    Donkey Oaty
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    Jakkass wrote: »
    I believe in evolution, I also believe in God. It is possible.

    Why do people suddenly think they can just assume what you believe without asking you?

    You believe in the bible, and therefore believe in talking donkeys.

    I think that's the logic they're using.


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    #96
    Saganist
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    Jakkass wrote: »
    I believe in evolution, I also believe in God. It is possible.

    Why do people suddenly think they can just assume what you believe without asking you?

    Well from what I can make out Evolution basically blows the book of Genesis out of the picture.

    So if the start of your "book" is false, thats not a very good start is it ?

    Yet you still believe ?

    You just WANT to believe, regardless of the truth. This kind of fundamentalism is most commonly planted while young. Dont mean to pry too much, but are you from a religious family ?


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    #97
    kjl
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    Jakkass wrote: »
    I believe in evolution
    Get thee to a confessional booth now


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    #98
    Jesus Wept
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    They are weak.

    And in years to come, they will be viewed in the same light that people who used to worship the sun are. lol.


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    #99
    starbelgrade
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    Jakkass wrote: »
    Just because something can be twisted doesn't mean that something is inherently harmful?

    Like lemons?


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    #100
    Saganist
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    caseyann wrote: »
    Thats human fault not religion.

    WRONG. Its HUMANS in the NAME of Religion !


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    #101
    SoupyNorman
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    Jakkass wrote: »
    I believe in evolution, I also believe in God. It is possible.

    Why do people suddenly think they can just assume what you believe without asking you?


    Honestly, I think this is the perception of you :pac:


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    #102
    Mike 1972
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    Jakkass wrote: »
    100 million lives were lost in the 20th century, its cause wasn't religion.

    [Citation Needed]


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    #103
    Ush1
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    caseyann wrote: »
    Thats human fault not religion.

    Who do you think created and perpetuate religions?


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    #104
    Paparazzo
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    The-Rigger wrote: »
    They are weak.

    And in years to come, they will be viewed in the same light that people who used to worship the sun are. lol.

    You should have left it as "They are weak". It looked like Dart Vader joined the discussion


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    #105
    starbelgrade
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    Ush1 wrote: »
    Who do you think created and perpetuate religions?

    Little aliens with horns on their heads and hands for eyes.

    Scary little feckers they are.


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    #106
    caseyann
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    Saganist wrote: »
    WRONG. Its HUMANS in the NAME of Religion !

    Wrong its humans in the name of humans behind the guise of religion to encourage others to back them up,as was in the day of the crusades not so well read or educated people,they followed what they were told to do and when told in name of god believed it.


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    #107
    Ush1
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    Paparazzo wrote: »
    You should have left it as "They are weak". It looked like Dart Vader joined the discussion

    I lold!:pac:


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    #108
    Jesus Wept
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    Paparazzo wrote: »
    You should have left it as "They are weak". It looked like Dart Vader joined the discussion

    That's what I originally had.

    P.S: I'm yore da.


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    #109
    epgc3fyqirnbsx
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    caseyann wrote: »
    Wrong its humans in the name of humans behind the guise of religion to encourage others to back them up,as was in the day of the crusades not so well read or educated people,they followed what they were told to do and when told in name of god believed it.

    But it was also humans who created religion. Fair enough if you believe in a higher power or whatever but why does religion need to be 'organised'

    Power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely


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    #110
    Saganist
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    caseyann wrote: »
    Wrong its humans in the name of humans behind the guise of religion to encourage others to back them up,as was in the day of the crusades not so well read or educated people,they followed what they were told to do and when told in name of god believed it.

    And still do !


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    #111
    caseyann
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    Gannon Rhythmic Watchman wrote: »
    But it was also humans who created religion. Fair enough if you believe in a higher power or whatever but why does religion need to be 'organised'

    Power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely

    Man saw a way to control the people and twisted what was written for their own ends.Instead of the whip they used the word.


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    #112
    ScissorPaperRock
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    It's rather arrogant to believe that humans are anything more than a particular arrangement of the elements that exist within the boundaries of our atmosphere. Just like a sheet of plastic is a particular arrangement, and just like a plant is another. Or a cloth, or a cloud, or a rock etc.

    Everything comes from the same place and will act and transform in accordance with physical laws. Essentially everything is energy, and in that sense everything is the same. Also in that sense, nothing truly dies. Our consciousness might not exist any longer, but the components that made it up will continue to exist in an infinite array of forms.

    No, I can't back this up. It's just what I think. But I think this is logic one can see, and once one does, it makes sense.


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    #113
    philologos
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    kjl wrote: »
    Get thee to a confessional booth now

    I'm not a Roman Catholic either.
    Saganist wrote: »
    Well from what I can make out Evolution basically blows the book of Genesis out of the picture.

    So if the start of your "book" is false, thats not a very good start is it ?

    Yet you still believe ?

    You just WANT to believe, regardless of the truth. This kind of fundamentalism is most commonly planted while young. Dont mean to pry too much, but are you from a religious family ?

    You're making more assumptions about me! - As for my current thought on Genesis 1, you can find them in more detail here.

    I believe because I find that it makes better sense than not believing in God.
    Gannon Rhythmic Watchman wrote: »
    Jakkas, I'm not slagging your beliefs, like I said such belief gives people a lot of comfort and can be a very good thing.

    I believe because I regard Christianity to be true, not because it is particularly comfortable. Living a Christian life is a constant challenge, but one that is ultimately worthwhile.
    Gannon Rhythmic Watchman wrote: »
    What I have issues with is peolle believing in texts that were written by man, not God (would you believe me if I said I talked to a burning bush etc)

    I personally hold that the Bible is divinely inspired. Yes, written by people, but inspired by God's Spirit.
    Gannon Rhythmic Watchman wrote: »
    So I have to ask you what you think of the following

    Funnily enough, this isn't really Christian specific as it was written to an Orthodox Jew concerning her beliefs on homosexual acts.

    Christians understand the Torah as being the Jewish law, revealed by God to Moses for governing over the Israelites for a period of time. Christians also believe that God made a new covenant, or agreement between both Jews and Gentiles (non-Jews) and God. This is why the Bible is divided into two Testaments. Christians believe that Jesus fulfilled the cultural, and legal commands of the Jewish Torah (Genesis - Deuteronomy) but retained the moral commandments.

    The New Testament also refers to homosexual acts as being forbidden, but it doesn't proscribe the death penalty (as that was fulfilled at the time of Jesus also).


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    #114
    Ush1
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    caseyann wrote: »
    Man saw a way to control the people and twisted what was written for their own ends.Instead of the whip they used the word.

    Who are you to say that they twisted anything? How do you know it's not you that has it twisted?


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    #115
    caseyann
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    Saganist wrote: »
    And still do !
    I dont follow the church nor would people go to war in the name of god in western society,so please do tell how they still do?


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    #116
    philologos
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    SoupyNorman wrote: »
    Honestly, I think this is the perception of you :pac:

    I would think that people would be very taken aback if they met me in person :pac:

    Actually, a few boardsies have already. They can probably vouch for me not being like that.

    Really I'm just an ordinary enough guy, who happens to believe in God.


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    #117
    Saganist
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    Jakkass wrote: »
    I'm not a Roman Catholic either.



    You're making more assumptions about me! - As for my current thought on Genesis 1, you can find them in more detail here.

    I believe because I find that it makes better sense than not believing in God.



    .

    Oh so you get to cherry pick the bible ?

    There's an original concept !

    You're living a lie. Sorry to be so harsh.


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    #118
    Ush1
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    caseyann wrote: »
    I dont follow the church nor would people go to war in the name of god in western society,so please do tell how they still do?

    So the many Jews who travel to Israel and fight in the army against Palestinians, aren't doing it in the name of Judaism?


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    #119
    Donkey Oaty
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    Jakkass wrote: »
    Really I'm just an ordinary enough guy, who happens to believe in God.

    Do you believe there were talking donkeys though?


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    #120
    kjl
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    Jakkass wrote: »
    I personally hold that the Bible is divinely inspired. Yes, written by people, but inspired by God's Spirit.

    You mean the holy ghost right, god I haven't heard from him in ages. Do he have another novel in the works. Can you get on your god phone or whatever and ask?

    Although the book of Mormon was a bit of a let down.


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    #121
    kjl
    Registered Users Posts: 3,127 ✭✭✭kjl


    Donkey Oaty wrote: »
    Do you believe there were talking donkeys though?

    Well you're a typing donkey :P


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