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France to expel Roma illegals - should we follow?

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    #122
    Terry
    Registered Users Posts: 26,061 ✭✭✭✭Terry


    Really?
    This is the one that came up on Google.
    Meh. More reasons to deport illegal immigrants.
    same article wrote:
    Riots broke out in Saint-Aignan, a town of just 3,400 people, last Sunday after members of the Traveller community reacted to the death of a young man at the hands of the police, with a violent attack on the local police station.


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    #123
    Mike 1972
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,018 ✭✭✭Mike 1972


    Romas ? Romanys ? Romanians ?

    Send em back to Rome I say I mean what have these bloody Romans ever done for us
    Romanes eunt domus


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    #124
    Fuuuuuuuuus
    Registered Users Posts: 9 ✭Fuuuuuuuuus


    Mike 1972 wrote: »
    Romas ? Romanys ? Romanians ?

    Send em back to Rome I say I mean what have these bloody Romans ever done for us
    Romanes eunt domus

    it was only a matter of time before someone said that....good show.


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    #125
    Terry
    Registered Users Posts: 26,061 ✭✭✭✭Terry


    Mike 1972 wrote: »
    Romas ? Romanys ? Romanians ?

    Send em back to Rome I say I mean what have these bloody Romans ever done for us
    Romanes eunt domus

    Romans they go in the 'ouse? :)
    Interior Minister Brice Hortefeux said Thursday on RTL radio that over the next three months he would use decrees to dismantle about 300 illegal camps, of which 200 belong to Roma. These camps are the source of “illicit trafficking, children exploited for begging, prostitution or delinquency,” he said.
    http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/30/world/europe/30france.html?src=mv
    Not all Roma.
    Is it ok now?


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    #126
    General Zod
    Registered Users Posts: 2,661 ✭✭✭General Zod


    Terry wrote: »
    Really?
    This is the one that came up on Google.
    Meh. More reasons to deport illegal immigrants.

    You're sounding pathetic now.


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    #127
    Lone Stone
    Registered Users Posts: 3,405 ✭✭✭Lone Stone


    We should just enslave the roma a new era of slavery for all huzzahhhh


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    #128
    Carlos_Ray
    Closed Accounts Posts: 685 ✭✭✭Carlos_Ray


    I have tried and tried to be open minded about the Roma people.... God Knows I have tried... However, I have yet to have an encounter with them that turned out to be positive.

    like me, there are many Boards member that would like to think they are tolerant and open minded. Yet, is there one person here who can honestly say they wouldn't hold their handbag closer, or keep their hand on their wallet when a group of Romany pass them on the street?

    In conversation I have found myself defending the Romas, because I really don't want to be prejudice. Yet, what I say and what I think in relation to them are very different. I am sure many people find themselves in the same situation as me. Political correct mind versus real mind.


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    #129
    Terry
    Registered Users Posts: 26,061 ✭✭✭✭Terry


    General Zod wrote: »
    You're sounding pathetic now.
    Why?


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    #130
    gbee
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,388 ✭✭✭gbee


    Bring back Bertie, he'll give them our homes with an open heart and a big smile.


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    #131
    billy the squid
    Registered Users Posts: 12,811 ✭✭✭✭billy the squid


    Terry wrote: »
    http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/world/2010/0724/1224275392929.html


    Lovely people altogether.

    There is no mention of whether he was illegal or not, Karim Boubouda , nor is there mention of him being a Roma, only a mention that he was muslim. the Irish Times article you linked to show that his own family called for calm, as well as the local iman.


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    #132
    IvyTheTerrible
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,949 ✭✭✭✭IvyTheTerrible


    Terry wrote: »
    Really?
    This is the one that came up on Google.
    Meh. More reasons to deport illegal immigrants.

    The guy that got shot in Grenoble was French so I don't see what difference deporting illegal immigrants would have made.


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    #133
    Saab Ed
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,374 ✭✭✭Saab Ed


    knird evol wrote: »
    If you are so anxious to do "deal with it" then first of all get your head out of your ass and apprise yourself of the basic facts of the situation. The roma that are here are not 'illegal'. Unethical, amoral, parasitic etc yes, but not illegal. They make a spurious claim to seek refuge in our country from supposed oppression in their country of origin. The interpretation that has been taken is that under international law we were to give them refuge and all that this entails ie houses cars money etc.
    You can hardly solve the problem Saab if you don't even understand it.

    Im sorry but was there no refuge in Hungary , Bulgaria , Serbia , Austria ,Slovenia , Slovakia , Italy , Switzerland or Germany on the way to France !!!!!

    Your Law may be correct but its clear that the law itself is having the piss taken out of it. Define refuge in modern terms. That law you speak off never intended that people would cross an entire continent to get to their country of choice. They're ecomonic migrants granted refuge status because the law is an ass.


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    #134
    Terry
    Registered Users Posts: 26,061 ✭✭✭✭Terry


    billy the squid wrote: »
    There is no mention of whether he was illegal or not, Karim Boubouda , nor is there mention of him being a Roma, only a mention that he was muslim. the Irish Times article you linked to show that his own family called for calm, as well as the local iman.
    IvyTheTerrible wrote: »
    The guy that got shot in Grenoble was French so I don't see what difference deporting illegal immigrants would have made.

    I have already acknowledged that I was wrong.
    Would you like to go back through my posts and find some more flaws, or would you like to continue discussing the matter at hand?
    I'm easy either way.


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    #135
    General Zod
    Registered Users Posts: 2,661 ✭✭✭General Zod


    Terry wrote: »
    I have already acknowledged that I was wrong.
    Would you like to go back through my posts and find some more flaws, or would you like to continue discussing the matter at hand?
    .


    Ooh, can I submit one, you accused me of misquoting you when all I did was quote your post before you edited it.


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    #136
    the_syco
    Registered Users Posts: 37,300 ✭✭✭✭the_syco


    darkman2 wrote: »
    The French Human Rights League accused the president of racism, saying in a statement: "The president of the republic has stigmatised Roma and ‘travelling people' in a racist way, by creating an unacceptable amalgamation of a few individuals with entire communities, and announcing plans for ethnically targeted evictions of illegal settlements."
    I had a mini LoL at the last bit. It seems the French Human Rights League support illegal settlements.

    I can also see an influx of them to here. Just with the downturn, I'm hoping the bleeding hearts get sense and see that the Roma are taking the piss.


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    #137
    Funkfield
    Registered Users Posts: 1,602 ✭✭✭Funkfield


    Fitzcaraldo wrote: »
    Ah now, being a bit harsh there me auld general - they tolerated paedophilia, rape, murder, tourture and orgies.

    Why are you bringing the catholic church into it?


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    #138
    knird evol
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,007 ✭✭✭knird evol


    Saab Ed wrote: »
    Im sorry but was there no refuge in Hungary , Bulgaria , Serbia , Austria ,Slovenia , Slovakia , Italy , Switzerland or Germany on the way to France !!!!!

    Your Law may be correct but its clear that the law itself is having the piss taken out of it. Define refuge in modern terms. That law you speak off never intended that people would cross an entire continent to get to their country of choice. They're ecomonic migrants granted refuge status because the law is an ass.

    Let me make this real simple for you, you complete ****ing moron

    I do not want or support Roma people being in this country. I would love them to leave.

    If you could now please stop directing posts at me as if I am defending them it would be great. Thanks. You idiot.


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    #139
    genericguy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,831 ✭✭✭genericguy


    General Zod wrote: »
    It's politicing. He's picking on an easy target to win support.

    and why are they an easy target? because they're predominantly criminal scum. if our politicians would crack down on evil gangland scum, for example, most of whom are white males, there'd be no issue whatsoever.

    you have to realise that politicians do nothing that they don't believe will benefit their careers. and the fact the politics is a career means that will never change.


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    #140
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Terry wrote:
    I admire Sarkozy for his take no crap attitude.
    First the burkha, and now this.

    The Roma contribute nothing to society. Their society is based around crime. They are, in my opinion, nothing but pests.

    Kudos to the French for once again doing the right thing.

    Ja, its wunderbar.
    Terry wrote:
    Sarkozy sees a problem in his society, he fixes the problem,

    Apart from political corruption. In fact, one could see a correspondence between his fixing of some problems when mentions of others arise....
    orourkeda wrote: »
    Romania is in the E.U

    Are we going to have to explain the difference between Roma and Romanians again?


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    #141
    Terry
    Registered Users Posts: 26,061 ✭✭✭✭Terry


    General Zod wrote: »
    Ooh, can I submit one, you accused me of misquoting you when all I did was quote your post before you edited it.
    No, because you failed to see the humour behind my question.
    Granted, it wasn't quite obvious, but it was meant in a jokey way.


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    #142
    IvyTheTerrible
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,949 ✭✭✭✭IvyTheTerrible


    Nodin wrote: »

    Apart from political corruption. In fact, one could see a correspondence between his fixing of some problems when mentions of others arise....

    Yeah we're not hearing much about the Betancourt affair in Ireland now!


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    #143
    General Zod
    Registered Users Posts: 2,661 ✭✭✭General Zod


    Funkfield wrote: »
    Why are you bringing the catholic church into it?

    Roman catholic church.


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    #144
    southsiderosie
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,565 ✭✭✭southsiderosie


    Illegal Roma and illegal Roma camps are two different things.

    The vast majority of Roma in Western Europe are EU citizens from Romania, Bulgaria, Hungary and Greece. Greeks can live and work anywhere; Hungarians can live and work anywhere except Austria and Germany, and Romanians and Bulgarians have freedom of movement, but not guaranteed freedom to work. So based on statistics and common sense, the majority of Roma in Western Europe are EU citizens and not necessarily illegal immigrants.

    If Sarkozy wanted to crack down on illegal camps that are full of Roma and/or other immigrants then fine, enforce the law; the French government did this in Calais recently. The problem with this proposal is that it's targeting a specific group - Roma - rather than a specific problem - squatting. I'd also add that squatter camps are NOT always a "foreigner" or "traveller" issue - there are a lot of homeless people in France - in Paris in particular - and 'camps' are fairly common. Therefore, the problem with Sarkozy isn't that he wants to enforce the law, it's that he's choosing to make squatting a Roma issue rather than a broader social problem - and in turn appealing to the worst instincts of a significant percentage of the French citizenry.

    Finally, I have to say I find it pretty horrifying that so many Europeans have such short memories when it comes to state-led attacks on specific "problem" ethnic groups.


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    #145
    General Zod
    Registered Users Posts: 2,661 ✭✭✭General Zod


    knird evol wrote: »
    Let me make this real simple for you, you complete ****ing moron

    I do not want or support Roma people being in this country. I would love them to leave.

    If you could now please stop directing posts at me as if I am defending them it would be great. Thanks. You idiot.


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    #146
    Einhard
    Registered Users Posts: 6,920 ✭✭✭Einhard


    I would have thought that anyone in a country illegally should expect to be removed, be they Nigerian, Chinese or, for that matter, Irish. Why pick on the Roma? Couldn't be anything to do with the fact that Sarkozy has seen his ratings slide recently, could it? Populist stunts against particular sections of society have never damaged a politican's popularity after all. Or am I being too cynical?


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    General Zod
    Registered Users Posts: 2,661 ✭✭✭General Zod


    Im sorry but was there no refuge in Hungary , Bulgaria , Serbia , Austria ,Slovenia , Slovakia , Italy , Switzerland or Germany on the way to France !!!!!

    funny, you mention a list of countires with a history of progroms against the roma. Even France has a nasty history in the treatment of Roma.


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    #148
    KindOfIrish
    Registered Users Posts: 454 ✭✭KindOfIrish


    jesusinaglanza wrote: »
    Good on France for doing this, we should follow suit here.
    Actually France not the first. Hitler did it 70 years ago.


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    #149
    Saab Ed
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,374 ✭✭✭Saab Ed


    KindOfIrish wrote: »
    Actually France not the first. Hitler did it 70 years ago.


    You cant just say that. There's no comparison. Really , please dont just fling out quotes like that. :cool:


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    #150
    prinz
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    southsiderosie wrote: »
    So based on statistics and common sense, the majority of Roma in Western Europe are EU citizens and not necessarily illegal immigrants.

    What statistics? Btw the citizenship of a person is only one aspect to illegal immigration. In many continental European countries you must report your presence to the authorities if you intend to stay a prolonged period of time etc, even for EU citizens.
    southsiderosie wrote: »
    If Sarkozy wanted to crack down on illegal camps that are full of Roma and/or other immigrants then fine, enforce the law; the French government did this in Calais recently.

    That's what they are planning.
    southsiderosie wrote: »
    Finally, I have to say I find it pretty horrifying that so many Europeans have such short memories when it comes to state-led attacks on specific "problem" ethnic groups.

    You mean illegals right? Or did I miss something about legal Roma in France being deported? :confused:


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    #151
    southsiderosie
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,565 ✭✭✭southsiderosie


    General Zod wrote: »
    funny, you mention a list of countires with a history of progroms against the roma. Even France has a nasty history in the treatment of Roma.

    I wonder how much history plays a role in movement west. When I lived in Spain, an extended family of Roma lived in a park where I used to walk my friend's dog. Apparently they used to live in Italy, but ended up fleeing to Spain because the Italian government has basically given the green light to vigilante groups to attack Roma and other migrant worker camps. They reportedly made less money in Spain than they did in Italy, but at least people left them alone.


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