Your team's 25-man squad

Carroller16

let us know who you would choose

For Manchester United:

1 Van Der Sar
2 G Neville (HOME GROWN)
3 Evra
4 Hargreaves
5 Ferdinand (HOME GROWN)
6 Brown (HOME GROWN)
7 Owen (HOME GROWN)
8 Anderson
9 Berbatov
10 Rooney (HOME GROWN)
11 Giggs (HOME GROWN)
12 De Laet
13 Park
14 Hernandez
15 Vidic
16 Carrick (HOME GROWN)
17 Nani
18 Scholes (HOME GROWN)
19 Gibson (HOME GROWN)
20 Diouf
21 Kuszczak
22 O'Shea (HOME GROWN)
23 J. Evans (HOME GROWN)
24 Fletcher (HOME GROWN)
25 Valencia

Players Under 21

26 Macheda
27 Rafael
28 Fabio
29 Smalling
30 Amos
31 Obertan
32 C.Evans
33 Welbeck
34 Cleverley


With 12 Home grown players we are covered for the criteria of 8.

Players over 21 left out are:

Heaton
Hewson
Gray

All 3 players should be loaned or sold.

Melion

1. Cavalieri
2. Johnson (HG)
4. Aquilani
5. Agger
8. Gerrard (HG)
9. Torres
10. Cole (HG)
14. Jovanovic
16. Kyrgiakos
17. Maxi
18. Kuyt
19. Babel
20. Mascherano/Replacement
21. Lucas
22. Wilson
23. Carragher (HG)
24. N'Gog
25. Reina
26. Spearing (HG)
33. Shelvey (HG)
34. Kelly (HG)
46. Amoo (HG)
47. Pacheco (HG)

Thats 23 so leaves room for 2 new left backs (Or Insua and 1)

homerjay2005

would like to see citys current options which with maybe 2 more players to come in, should give an idea of who will leave.

United should be fine for a few years yet with the huge amount of young lads that can be classed as home grown even as foreigners (macheda, rafael, fabio, Pogba, petrucci),even if scholes, neville and giggs retires.


if we ever did run into problems, obertan and diouf are the 2 lads in most trouble.

but i can imagine, some clubs may struggle as it becomes clear that you cant keep buying players that are not home grown.

eagle eye

I was looking at the City situation last week.

eagle eye wrote: »

Just looking at that 25 at the moment and its tough to decide.


Given (HG)
Hart (HG)
Zabaleta
Boateng
Richards (HG)
Kolo Toure
Onouho (HG)
Lescott (HG)
Kolarov
Bridge (HG)
Barry (HG)
De Jong
Yaya Toure
Kompany
Silva
A. Johnson (HG)
Tevez
Adebayor

Thats 18 there.
You will surely have at least another goalkeeper.

Then you have to pick a maximum of 6 of the following.

Robhinho
Bellamy
Viera
SWP
Ireland
Garrido
M. Johnson
RSC
Jo
Caicedo
Etuhu
Vidal

There will be some big names losing out. If Milner comes in then its even more serious.

Carroller16

eagle eye wrote: »

I was looking at the City situation last week.

You also need to include 8 home grown players (ie: players who played in english or welsh leagues 3 years before thier 21st birthday)

GIVEN
HART
BARRY
BRIDGE
A.JOHNSON
RICHARDS
SWP
BELLAMY
ONOUHA
LESCOTT

L'prof

First Team:

1. Manuel Almunia
2. Abou Diaby
3. Bacary Sagna
4. Cesc Fàbregas (HG)
5. Thomas Vermaelen
6. Laurent Koscielny
7. Tomáš Rosický
8. Samir Nasri
9. Robin van Persie
10. Carlos Vela (HG...possibly, but I doubt it)
11. Theo Walcott (HG)
12. Denílson (HG)
13. Alex Song (HG)
14. Johan Djourou (HG)
15. Łukasz Fabiański
16. Gaël Clichy (HG)
17. Andrei Arshavin
18. Vito Mannone (HG)
19. Emmanuel Eboué
20. Marouane Chamakh
21. Nicklas Bendtner (HG)
22. Jay Simpson (HG, probably be shipped out)

Under 21:

1. Aaron Ramsey
2. Jack Wilshere
3. Kieran Gibbs
4. Armand Traoré
5. Wojciech Szczęsny
6. Nacer Barazite
7. Kyle Bartley
8. Thomas Cruise
9. Craig Eastmond
10. Jay Emmanuel-Thomas
11. Cedric Evina
12. Emmanuel Frimpong
13. Conor Henderson
14. Gavin Hoyte
15. Henri Lansbury
16. Rhys Murphy
17. Mark Randall
18. James Shea
19. Gilles Sunu
20. Sanchez Watt
21. Håvard Nordtveit
22. Francis Coquelin
23. Pedro Botelho
24. Luke Freeman

It doesn't really matter who we call up to the senior squad, maybe we should just buy somebody!!!

eagle eye

Carroller16 wrote: »

You also need to include 8 home grown players (ie: players who played in english or welsh leagues 3 years before thier 21st birthday)

GIVEN
BARRY
BRIDGE
A.JOHNSON
RICHARDS
SWP
BELLAMY
ONOUHA

There is actually 8 in the 18 in the first part.

homerjay2005

can somebody lay out the current city squad and mark all their homegrown players?

this could actually be crucial interms of whether SWP, bellamy and Ireland actually stay at the club. they may actually have to stay if things are not balanced in the teams, meaning the likes of Jo, Robinho and viera are all on the way out sooner rather than later.

Adam Johnsen is U-21 no?

also, is the criteria for homegrown only that they had to play 18-21 in that country? surely, as hargreaves is english for example, he is home grown?

Carroller16

eagle eye wrote: »

There is actually 8 in the 18 in the first part.

Sorry missed HART & LESCOTT..

Bellamy would be a great signing for any Europa League-Mid Table Side

eagle eye

homerjay2005 wrote: »

can somebody lay out the current city squad and mark all their homegrown players?

this could actually be crucial interms of whether SWP, bellamy and Ireland actually stay at the club. they may actually have to stay if things are not balanced in the teams, meaning the likes of Jo, Robinho and viera are all on the way out sooner rather than later.

Adam Johnsen is U-21 no?

also, is the criteria for homegrown only that they had to play 18-21 in that country? surely, as hargreaves is english for example, he is home grown?

In the post that I did up there which I've edited, I put 8 homegrown in the 18 that look certain to be picked.

Every player on that list does not qualify as an underage player.

L'prof

homerjay2005 wrote: »

also, is the criteria for homegrown only that they had to play 18-21 in that country? surely, as hargreaves is english for example, he is home grown?

I don't think he counts as being homegrown.

Johner

homerjay2005 wrote: »

can somebody lay out the current city squad and mark all their homegrown players?

this could actually be crucial interms of whether SWP, bellamy and Ireland actually stay at the club. they may actually have to stay if things are not balanced in the teams, meaning the likes of Jo, Robinho and viera are all on the way out sooner rather than later.

Adam Johnsen is U-21 no?

also, is the criteria for homegrown only that they had to play 18-21 in that country? surely, as hargreaves is english for example, he is home grown?

Johnson is 23.

homerjay2005

so realistically, city if they sign Milner and Ballotelli, will need to get rid of 5 more players on top of Garrido (gone to Lazio today) and you would assume Jo and Robinho:eek:

Viera is doomed i would think are this lot

M. Johnson
RSC
Caicedo
Etuhu
Vidal

they probably will hold on to ireland, bellamy and SWP as they are homegrown and they are tightish on that looking at the future.

Carroller16

Home grown is any player who has played in the english or welsh leagues for 3 years prior to the year they turn 21.

Hargreaves would not count.

homerjay2005

L'prof wrote: »

I don't think he counts as being homegrown.

is that not a bit silly that a player thats from the country is not homegrown?

is this rule coming in all over europe or only England and is it due to change in the next few years and get stricter?

Carroller16

homerjay2005 wrote: »

is that not a bit silly that a player thats from the country is not homegrown?

is this rule coming in all over europe or only England and is it due to change in the next few years and get stricter?

I think it will become Europe wide in the next few years and a similar situation exists over in Spain i think.

I think the FA have decided to make a head start on this in order to improve the future English Game.

RasTa

I heard on SSN City have 52 players registered or with squad numbers

Someone who follows them quote this and pick out the homegrown

Goalkeepers
David Gonzales (COL)
Shay Given (IRL)
Joe Hart (ENG)
Gunnar Nielsen (FAR)
Stuart Taylor (ENG)

Defenders
Dedryck Boyata (BEL)
Greg Cunningham (IRE)
Javan Vidal (ENG)
Jerome Boateng (GER)
Joleon Lescott (ENG)
Wayne Bridge (ENG)
Javier Garrido (ESP)
Shaleum Logan * (ENG)
Nedum Onuoha (ENG)
Micah Richards (ENG)
Kolo Toure (CIV)
Pablo Zabaleta (ARG)
Koloarv?

Midfielders
Abdisalam Ibrahim (NOR)
Adam Johnson (ENG)
David Silva (ESP)
Gareth Barry (ENG)
Patrick Vieira (FRA)
Yaya Toure (CIV)
Nigel de Jong (NED)
Kelvin Etuhu * (NGR)
Stephen Ireland (IRL)
Michael Johnson (ENG)
Vincent Kompany (BEL)
Vladimir Weiss* (SVK)
Shaun Wright-Phillips (ENG

Strikers
Emmanuel Adebayor
Craig Bellamy
(WAL) Felipe Caicedo *
(ECU) Jô *
(BRA) Alex Tchuimeni-Nimely
(ENG) Robinho *
(BRA) Roque Santa Cruz
(PRY) Carlos Tevez (ARG

L'prof

homerjay2005 wrote: »

is that not a bit silly that a player thats from the country is not homegrown?

is this rule coming in all over europe or only England and is it due to change in the next few years and get stricter?

No more silly than him being able to play for England having never lived there until he moved to United!

homerjay2005

L'prof wrote: »

No more silly than him being able to play for England having never lived there until he moved to United!

Bob the Seducer

Carroller16 wrote: »

I think it will become Europe wide in the next few years and a similar situation exists over in Spain i think.

I think the FA have decided to make a head start on this in order to improve the future English Game.

There will have to be a get out clause here or Irish football will be dead in the water, a fairly big percentage of Irish players spend their "development years" in the U.K. Things would be completely unworkable if they were all counted as foreign coming back to the League of Ireland at age 20/21.

eagle eye

Blackburn have penty of homegrown players and underrage too. There is room to bring in 2 players that don't qualify.

1 Paul Robinson (HG)
2 Lars Jacobsen
4 Christopher Samba
5 Gael Givet
6 Ryan Nelsen
7 Brett Emerton
8 David Dunn (HG)
9 Jason Roberts (HG)
11 Vincenzo Grella
12 Morten Gamst Pedersen
13 Zurab Khizanishvili
15 Steven Nzonzi
17 Keith Andrews (HG)
18 El-Hadji Diouf
21 Martin Olsson (HG)
22 Nikola Kalinic
25 Alan Judge (HG)
27 Michel Salgado
30 Maceo Rigters
32 Jason Brown (HG)
34 Frank Fielding (HG)
38 Mark Bunn (HG)
39 Pascal Chimbonda

Underage
14 Amine Linganzi
19 Aaron Doran
23 David Hoilett
28 Phil Jones
29 Gavin Gunning
31 Grant Hanley
Jason Lowe
Nick Blackman
Alex Marrow

L'prof

homerjay2005 wrote: »

I'm not saying I disapprove, but the homegrown rule is what it says on the tin. It's there to give players who developed in the country a better chance. Hargreaves didn't, so he's not homegrown. I don't see the problem really!

homerjay2005

L'prof wrote: »

I'm not saying I disapprove, but the homegrown rule is what it says on the tin. It's there to give players who developed in the country a better chance. Hargreaves didn't, so he's not homegrown. I don't see the problem really!

look at fabregas case. he is spanish, plays for spain, grew up playing football in spain, yet his "homegrown" nationality is now england....

Gerard Pique and G Rossi are 2 more high profile examples. Petrucci, Pogba and Macheda could also become huge players and if they ever moved home, would not be homegrown.

surely theres a nationality clause in there somewhere for players like hargreaves and the lads mentioned, though hargreaves is slightly different, but theres 1000's of players who dont live in a country they have nationaliy of.

Xavi6

Not sure why people are getting so hung up on us. The management know the rules and have done for a long time. I'm sure Mancini already has his 25 in mind and it'll become more apparent once we're back from the States.

witnessmenow

Xavi6 wrote: »

Not sure why people are getting so hung up on us. The management know the rules and have done for a long time. I'm sure Mancini already has his 25 in mind and it'll become more apparent once we're back from the States.

Na in my mind sometime next week this will happen:

City Official: "You need to pick a squad of 25 Roberto"

Mancini: "Escusi?"

City Official: "8 of them need to be home grown too"

Mancini: " Mama Mai!"

eagle eye

Xavi6 wrote: »

Not sure why people are getting so hung up on us. The management know the rules and have done for a long time. I'm sure Mancini already has his 25 in mind and it'll become more apparent once we're back from the States.

Its because City are the only side that are in a situation right now where players who are worth/cost millions will not make the 25. Players who nobody expected would ever be in a situation where they wouldn't make a team's 25 man squad will either be sold/loaned out or will not have the opportunity to play football until after christmas.

Xavi6

Our 25 will probably be quite straight forward

Given (HG)
Hart (HG)
Taylor (HG)
Zabaleta
Boateng
Richards (HG)
Kolo Toure
Onuoha (HG)
Lescott (HG)
Kolarov
Bridge (HG)
Barry (HG)
De Jong
Yaya Toure
Kompany
Silva
A. Johnson (HG)
Tevez
Adebayor
Bellamy
Vieira
Wright-Phillips (HG)
Ireland (HG)
M. Johnson (HG)
Balotelli?

matrim

posted this a while ago on the villa thread

Goalkeepers

Brad Friedel
Bradley Guzan

Defender

Luke Young (Home Grown)
Richard Dunne (Home Grown)
Curtis Davies (Home Grown)
Habib Beye
Carlos Cuellar
Stephen Warnock (Home Grown)
James Collins (Home Grown)
Eric Lichaj (Home Grown) I think



Midfielders

Steve Sidwell (Home Grown)
Stewart Downing (Home Grown)
Ashley Young (Home Grown)
James Milner (Home Grown)
Stiliyan Petrov
Nigel Reo-Coker (Home Grown)
Isaiah Osbourne (Home Grown)


Striker

John Carew
Gabriel Agbonlahor (Home Grown)
Emile Heskey (Home Grown)


U21

Elliott Parish (u21)

Ciaran Clark (u21)

Jonathan Hogg (u21)
Barry Bannan (u21)
Marc Albrighton (u21)
Fabian Delph (u21)

Nathan Delfouneso (u21)
Andreas Weimann (u21)

L'prof

homerjay2005 wrote: »

look at fabregas case. he is spanish, plays for spain, grew up playing football in spain, yet his "homegrown" nationality is now england....

Gerard Pique and G Rossi are 2 more high profile examples. Petrucci, Pogba and Macheda could also become huge players and if they ever moved home, would not be homegrown.

surely theres a nationality clause in there somewhere for players like hargreaves and the lads mentioned, though hargreaves is slightly different, but theres 1000's of players who dont live in a country they have nationaliy of.

I'm not sure all countries are bringing in these rules and to be honest, everyone except Hargreaves would probably qualify in their home nation due to being registered in their home countries at some level. If they didn't, to be honest I have little sympathy for them.

_Bella_

They have to use the "homegrown rule" because of the whole EU problem where you can't ban an EU member from working in a particular country. This way they effectively make sure that there is a certain amount of English players in any squad.

L'prof

_Bella_ wrote: »

They have to use the "homegrown rule" because of the whole EU problem where you can't ban an EU member from working in a particular country. This way they effectively make sure that there is a certain amount of English players in any squad.

Yes, "English".

Mitch Connor

Carroller16 wrote: »

Heaton
Hewson
Gray

All three have left the club.

Heaton signed for Cardiff ages ago.
Gray signed for Preston.
Hewson has not signed for anyone as far as I know, but has left the club and is currently a free agent.

micks

Bob the Seducer wrote: »

There will have to be a get out clause here or Irish football will be dead in the water, a fairly big percentage of Irish players spend their "development years" in the U.K. Things would be completely unworkable if they were all counted as foreign coming back to the League of Ireland at age 20/21.

Most irish lads go to england at 16 so they'd have 8yr old to 16 yr old in Ireland so they'd be fine if they returned home

Max Power1

micks wrote: »

Most irish lads go to england at 16 so they'd have 8yr old to 16 yr old in Ireland so they'd be fine if they returned home

Is the rule not that you have to be registered to a club in the relevant nation for 3 years between 16 and 21 in order to qualify?

micks

Max Power1 wrote: »

Is the rule not that you have to be registered to a club in the relevant nation for 3 years between 16 and 21 in order to qualify?

I thought it was 3 consectutive years before age 21, stand corrected though