UFC 118: Toney vs Couture **spoilers inside**

Daniel2oo9

:pac: How is MMA Like A Circus!
Boxings so called Chairmen eg (Bob Arum) Should be in the Circus for Ruining Boxing on the Promotion and Managment Side

Daniel2oo9

SDTimeout wrote: »

Only going to be one way to sort this lads...

We ourselves fight the lads on the boxing forum in an MMA fight . :pac:

We should :pac:

MrStuffins

SDTimeout wrote: »

Only going to be one way to sort this lads...

We ourselves fight the lads on the boxing forum in an MMA fight . :pac:

Don't you mean "fight" them?

:pac:

Daniel2oo9

MrStuffins wrote: »

Don't you mean "fight" them?

:pac:

:pac:

cowzerp

Daniel2oo9 wrote: »

:pac: How is MMA Like A Circus!
Boxings so called Chairmen(Bob Arum) Should be in the Circus for Ruining Boxing on the Promotion and Managment Side

MMA is not like a circus but the UFC at times is, Kimbo, Toney been 2 examples of fights that are pointless bar the circus around having them on the show.. there a business 1st and bums on seats is all they want.

MrStuffins

cowzerp wrote: »

MMA is not like a circus but the UFC at times is, Kimbo, Toney been 2 examples of fights that are pointless bar the circus around having them on the show.. there a business 1st and bums on seats is all they want.

Some of this point is right, some is spot on.

But it doesn't change the fact that this kind of criticism coming from Boxing is ridiculous!

Next we're gonna see Football fans criticising GAA and Rugby for players diving and simulating injury!

Daniel2oo9

cowzerp wrote: »

MMA is not like a circus but the UFC at times is, Kimbo, Toney been 2 examples of fights that are pointless bar the circus around having them on the show.. there a business 1st and bums on seats is all they want.

But lets be Honest UFC Care about there Fans x1000 times more than they do in boxing,by Giving out tickets and hosting Expos before Many UFC Events!:D

cowzerp

MrStuffins wrote: »

But it doesn't change the fact that this kind of criticism coming from Boxing is ridiculous!

Agreed but people need to just not be so sensitive just because its coming from a boxing fan, if an MMA fan said it you'd agree, Boxing is well known for its circus acts too but most of it is out of the ring in fairness..
most i said!!

cowzerp

Daniel2oo9 wrote: »

But lets be Honest UFC Care about there Fans x1000 times more than they do in boxing,by Giving out tickets and hosting Expos before Many UFC Events!:D

that's very naive buddy, they give tickets away so they can claim sell outs, in germany 4000 where giving to the army due to lack of sales, then they claim a sell out-smart move as bums on seats sounds good-but lets be real here-Dana white is a boxing promoter 1st, then moved to MMA, so believe me when i say they don't care anymore about the fan without money than bob arum, don king etc..

MrStuffins

cowzerp wrote: »

Agreed but people need to just not be so sensitive just because its coming from a boxing fan, if an MMA fan said it you'd agree, Boxing is well known for its circus acts too but most of it is out of the ring in fairness..
most i said!!

I didn't actually comment on the Circus part of his comment, i was talking about the fact that he knew the exact number of pounds TOney weighed in at, but he came trolling here anyway.

I agree, this fight is a circus. However, MMA in general is not!

BoxingIrel.com

MrStuffins wrote: »

Taken from the Boxing Forum

Its obvious you know the wnaswer to this question.

Why this guy keeps getting away with trolling is beyond me!

is there any other word you know other than troll!

ssshhh! man settle down and stop being so defensive.

You even thought that me asking what Coutures chin was like was "trolling" despite not even knowing what I was talking about.

settle down and discuss the topic at hand.

Now do you know what Couture was in his prime and what his weight for this fight is.

SDTimeout

Regardless of his weight in his prime, Randy hasn't had to worry about weight for this fight since he now fights at 205 and weighted in at 220 for this one since it's a heavy weight fight.

BoxingIrel.com

SDTimeout wrote: »

Regardless of his weight in his prime, Randy hasn't had to worry about weight for this fight since he now fights at 205 and weighted in at 220 for this one since it's a heavy weight fight.

thanks for that sensible response.

I assume that the HW limit is 200lb for MMA as well!?

MrStuffins

BoxingIrel.com wrote: »

Now do you know what Couture was in his prime and what his weight for this fight is.

Yes i do.

MrStuffins

BoxingIrel.com wrote: »

thanks for that sensible response.

I assume that the HW limit is 200lb for MMA as well!?

You assume wrong.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mixed_martial_arts_weight_classes

Daniel2oo9

BoxingIrel.com wrote: »

thanks for that sensible response.

I assume that the HW limit is 200lb for MMA as well!?

The Heavyweight limit in MMA is 205 pounds -> 265 Pounds

SDTimeout

BoxingIrel.com wrote: »

thanks for that sensible response.

I assume that the HW limit is 200lb for MMA as well!?

• Light Heavyweight: 186 to 205 lb (84 to 93 kg)
• Heavyweight: 206 to 265 lb (93 to 120 kg).

Gerard.C

cowzerp wrote: »

MMA is not like a circus but the UFC at times is, Kimbo, Toney been 2 examples of fights that are pointless bar the circus around having them on the show.. there a business 1st and bums on seats is all they want.

Its not a circus, its just after turning into a buisness. Like most things do when they get to a certain level.

SDTimeout

Stuffins, chill we don't want this turning into another MMA FANS vs MMA Attenders only in MMA vs Boxing. The guy is just asking questions there's no need to bite the head off him if he gets something wrong.

It's why rovert left these threads :pac:

BoxingIrel.com

Daniel2oo9 wrote: »

The Heavyweight limit in MMA is 205 pounds -> 265 Pounds

thanks.

does that mean there is a superheavyweight division?

Daniel2oo9

Guys can we get back on Topic about UFC 118 Please

Daniel2oo9

BoxingIrel.com wrote: »

thanks.

does that mean there is a superheavyweight division?

Well in Dream and pride(i think) There was for fighters above 120KG(265) Pounds.
Bob Sapp for example Youtube him

SDTimeout

BoxingIrel.com wrote: »

thanks.

does that mean there is a superheavyweight division?

Nope, Dana white has himself said he doesn't want to bring one. The WEC recently had one but cut it.

I can seeing it being the downfall of brock after a few fights the cut from 300 may be too much for him.

MrStuffins

BoxingIrel.com wrote: »

thanks.

does that mean there is a superheavyweight division?

MrStuffins wrote: »

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mixed_martial_arts_weight_classes

There you go

MrStuffins

SDTimeout wrote: »

Nope, Dana white has himself said he doesn't want to bring one. The WEC recently had one but cut it.

I can seeing it being the downfall of brock after a few fights the cut from 300 may be too much for him.

its been said before, but it would be interesting to see a HW class at 206 - 235 and a SHW at 236 - 265

Daniel2oo9

Back On Topic.

I Honestly think BJ Will beat edgar if he pressures him and Makes Him fight his Fight!
If BJ Sits back edgar will just use his speed and do more of the same!

BoxingIrel.com

Daniel2oo9 wrote: »

Back On Topic.

I Honestly think BJ Will beat edgar if he pressures him and Makes Him fight his Fight!
If BJ Sits back edgar will just use his speed and do more of the same!

actually this is a Toney v Couture thread.

there is another UFC 118 general discussion thread

Daniel2oo9

BoxingIrel.com wrote: »

actually this is a Toney v Couture thread.

there is another UFC 118 general discussion thread

No the OP Thought the event was labeled UFC 118:Couture vs Toney
So really its a discussion thread

MrStuffins

Daniel2oo9 wrote: »

Back On Topic.

I Honestly think BJ Will beat edgar if he pressures him and Makes Him fight his Fight!
If BJ Sits back edgar will just use his speed and do more of the same!

BJ looks frighteningly under-confident, is it just me who notices?

He even said he wouldn't be 10/10 tonight, that when he gets into the cage he'll be "about 10".

Not the same guy who says he wants to be remembered for being the best the sport has ever seen

Daniel2oo9

MrStuffins wrote: »

BJ looks frighteningly under-confident, is it just me who notices?

He even said he wouldn't be 10/10 tonight, that when he gets into the cage he'll be "about 10".

Not the same guy who says he wants to be remembered for being the best the sport has ever seen

Well i honestly think him losing the belt kind of lifted all the pressure and expectation from people off his shoulders.
He said he wants to just be a fighter

Fromvert

MrStuffins wrote: »

BJ looks frighteningly under-confident, is it just me who notices?

He even said he wouldn't be 10/10 tonight, that when he gets into the cage he'll be "about 10".

Not the same guy who says he wants to be remembered for being the best the sport has ever seen

I watched an interview with BJ and he was saying that he didn't over do the training and did a lot of relaxing. Not what I wanted to here.

Daniel2oo9

Fromvert wrote: »

I watched an interview with BJ and he was saying that he didn't over do the training and did a lot of relaxing. Not what I wanted to here.

BJ Really should have killed himself training for the fight!
If he doesnt win i dont know whats next for him

MrStuffins

Excuse me, my retard typing sometimes doesn't do me any favours.

BJ in fact said he'd be "about 9"

Daniel2oo9

MrStuffins wrote: »

Excuse me, my retard typing sometimes doesn't do me any favours.

BJ in fact said he'd be "about 9"

Ya that was weird :pac:

MrStuffins

Daniel2oo9 wrote: »

BJ Really should have killed himself training for the fight!
If he doesnt win i dont know whats next for him

This was always a problem, how can you keep BJ, a lazy guy, motivated?

If he smashes Edgar tonight, he might be able to get motivated for Gray if Gray opens his mouth.

Otherwise, the only thing left for him i think is to move to WW and work his way toward a GSP rematch.

kev9100

Maybe I'm missing something, but why did Couture take this fight? If he wins, all he has done is beat a well past his best Toney and if he loses, he looks like an idiot?

MrStuffins

kev9100 wrote: »

Maybe I'm missing something, but why did Couture take this fight? If he wins, all he has done is beat a well past his best Toney and if he loses, he looks like an idiot?

With Randy i reckon it's about the challenge. He probably wants to see if he can beat a boxer of Toney's calibre.

Oh, and perhaps the Cash Money had something to do with it

walshb

Haven't read all the posts, but the smart money is on Toney here.

He wins fairly or by fix, one or the other. This is big business, and IMO it makes little sense after all this hype, for the boxer, Toney, to lose.

If it's a fair fought fight I would back Toney to win

Gerard.C

walshb wrote: »

Haven't read all the posts, but the smart money is on Toney here.

He wins fairly or by fix, one or the other. This is big business, and IMO it makes little sense after all this hype, for the boxer, Toney, to lose.

If it's a fair fought fight I would back Toney to win

Jesus, what do you consider to be smart money???

cowzerp

walshb wrote: »

Haven't read all the posts, but the smart money is on Toney here.

He wins fairly or by fix, one or the other. This is big business, and IMO it makes little sense after all this hype, for the boxer, Toney, to lose.

If it's a fair fought fight I would back Toney to win

No way Bren, yes in a striking match but not in an MMA match with an experienced well rounded fighter such as Randy who has some boxing and is also considered a black belt level BJJ fighter aswell as top class greco and freestyle wrestler-he can neutralise james easily, even james's style is not suited for MMA,

His style of blocking and not moving his feet is a nightmare against a grappler who wants to get close to the legs for a takedown, also when he goes down its not a boxing match anymore, he will be like a fish out of water.

Toney at peak would struggle, now its just too much unless randy is stupid and plays toneys game, which he wont.

Neberkenezer

im looking foward to diaz/davis and ken flo/maynard ... should be 2 wars.

i hope toney knocks couture out with his very first punch :D

bj is gonna have to be at his very best to beat frankie,i think he will and i reckon edgar is going to be submitted.

kev9100

walshb wrote: »

Haven't read all the posts, but the smart money is on Toney here.

He wins fairly or by fix, one or the other. This is big business, and IMO it makes little sense after all this hype, for the boxer, Toney, to lose.

If it's a fair fought fight I would back Toney to win

Where did you get that from? The only way Toney can win is in the first round with a lucky punch and whats more, Toney is out of shape and weighs 230+. After one round, he will be exhausted.

seadnamac

walshb wrote: »

Haven't read all the posts, but the smart money is on Toney here.

He wins fairly or by fix, one or the other. This is big business, and IMO it makes little sense after all this hype, for the boxer, Toney, to lose.

If it's a fair fought fight I would back Toney to win

Fix?? Ah Jaysus, no offence Walsh but first BoxingIrl and now you. Would ye ever feck off back to the boxing forum if that's what ye're going to come out with you wouldn't be throwing around fight fixing accusations over there now would you?!

sxt

A ledgendary mma fighter like Couture, who loves his sport, won't throw this fight

Fromvert

walshb wrote: »

Haven't read all the posts, but the smart money is on Toney here.

He wins fairly or by fix, one or the other. This is big business, and IMO it makes little sense after all this hype, for the boxer, Toney, to lose.

If it's a fair fought fight I would back Toney to win

How much do you know about MMA?

Wooden Jesus

walshb wrote: »

Haven't read all the posts, but the smart money is on Toney here.

He wins fairly or by fix, one or the other. This is big business, and IMO it makes little sense after all this hype, for the boxer, Toney, to lose.

If it's a fair fought fight I would back Toney to win

An mma debutant vs an mma veteran. The smart money is on randy couture.
This fight is a gimmick fight and its hyped so more boxing fans will be attracted to watch the ufc and if they like what they see they might watch it again.
And why would the ufc fix it so that one of the faces of the organisation would lose to a debutant boxer

walshb

seadnamac wrote: »

Fix?? Ah Jaysus, no offence Walsh but first BoxingIrl and now you. Would ye ever feck off back to the boxing forum if that's what ye're going to come out with you wouldn't be throwing around fight fixing accusations over there now would you?!

No no, coz the world of PRO boxing is ever so clean and honest and above board.

Anywhere there is big money and hype there is "potential" for wheeling and dealing, and that applies to boxing too, of all sports, more to boxing I would say...

walshb

Fromvert wrote: »

How much do you know about MMA?

Will this question still apply should Toney win?

Daniel2oo9

walshb wrote: »

Will this question still apply should Toney win?

Dont worry He Wont.

walshb

kev9100 wrote: »

Where did you get that from? The only way Toney can win is in the first round with a lucky punch and whats more, Toney is out of shape and weighs 230+. After one round, he will be exhausted.

Are you in Toney's camp to know exactly what cardiological ' shape he is in?

Have you been monitoring his fitness or something?

Looks can be very deceiving. The guy has had many boxing fights whilst 230 and his stamina has been grand.